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Report: Tuskegee Airmen lost 25 bombers
AP - Yahoo ^ | April 1, 2007

Posted on 04/01/2007 11:40:19 AM PDT by EveningStar

At least 25 bombers being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen over Europe during World War II were shot down by enemy aircraft, according to a new Air Force report.

The report contradicts the legend that the famed black aviators never lost a plane to fire from enemy aircraft...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aviation; blackhistory; history; p38; p40; p47; p51; tuskegeeairmen; ww2; wwii
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1 posted on 04/01/2007 11:40:20 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Howlin; onyx; Clemenza; Petronski; GummyIII; SevenofNine; veronica; Xenalyte; CheneyChick; ...

Misc ping list


2 posted on 04/01/2007 11:41:54 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Probably there were many pilots that did not fly those missions where a bomber was lost and did not lose bombers on their own missions and the story started that way.


3 posted on 04/01/2007 11:43:36 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: EveningStar
But historian William Holton said the discovery of lost bombers doesn't tarnish the unit's record.

Ditto.

4 posted on 04/01/2007 11:43:48 AM PDT by Condor 63
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To: Condor 63

Absolutely.


5 posted on 04/01/2007 11:44:33 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: EveningStar

Still a damn good record.


6 posted on 04/01/2007 11:45:59 AM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Aeronaut; indcons

ping


7 posted on 04/01/2007 11:46:23 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

They were fighting way more than just the Nazis. American heroes, each and every one.


8 posted on 04/01/2007 11:46:35 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: EveningStar

This report reflects poorly on writers of the last 60 years rather than on the the airmen themselves.


9 posted on 04/01/2007 11:47:04 AM PDT by concentric circles
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To: EveningStar

Good Grief...

Let's continue to rewrite history.

I bet they were all gay too -

GAAH

Sigh


10 posted on 04/01/2007 11:48:03 AM PDT by agent_delta
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To: EveningStar

I always found this hard to believe. Although it was my understanding that by the time they entered the ETO, most of the Luftwaffe was already decimated and barely able to offer any resistance. The questions is, what took out those 20 bombers?


11 posted on 04/01/2007 11:48:59 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: EveningStar
Imagine that. Thanx for the ping.


12 posted on 04/01/2007 11:49:05 AM PDT by rdb3 (SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0 (Get well Snowman!))
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To: concentric circles

I agree. They were still heroes.


13 posted on 04/01/2007 11:49:21 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Condor 63

"But historian William Holton said the discovery of lost bombers doesn't tarnish the unit's record."

No, but it certainly tarnishes the members of this unit WHO KNEW THE TRUTH and allowed the false accolades to continue for all these years.


14 posted on 04/01/2007 11:51:19 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: EveningStar

That is not so suprising. My father was a bomber crewmember both in the ETO and PTO. His opinion was that no matter how good the escort pilots were and the Tuskegee pilots were good there were always going to be losses. There would either be a lot more enemy fighters than the escorts could handle and some of those would hit a mark or the ground flak which was heavy on the way to and over high-value targets would take a few.

Even with the new information they were an outstanding unit with great pilots.


15 posted on 04/01/2007 11:52:15 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: concentric circles
This report reflects poorly on writers of the last 60 years rather than on the the airmen themselves.

Not in the greater scheme of things. At the time, had any deaths been reported with these men held responsible, there was enough pressure at the time to end the Tuskegee program, and keep Blacks from becoming military pilots.

There was actually a time in History, when the media cooperated with the Military to achieve its goals.

The only problem I have with it, is that nobody in their right mind would believe such a record anyway, but it is still quoted as fact whenever the Airmen are mentioned. Time to put it to bed, but with understanding of why the myth was created. Black pilots might even have been lynched in the states for allowing a White airman to die in combat.

16 posted on 04/01/2007 11:52:53 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: EveningStar
I'm curious as to what act[s] of heroism the aviator did that recently gave him the Congressional Medal of Honor. He was in combat, true, but what else?
Are we going to give out CMHs now because it's politically correct?
17 posted on 04/01/2007 11:53:03 AM PDT by curmudgeonII (Dum spiro spero.)
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To: EveningStar

Doesn't make a bit of difference. I love to hear these guys talk. They are true heroes and gentlemen. They are classy as can be.


18 posted on 04/01/2007 11:54:32 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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A lot of crazy stuff gets claimed during war that won't pass the smell test under close scrutiny esp. when you have chaotic situations, eye witness reports that contradict one another and War Department press releases more intended to stir up or maintain support for the effort back home and less intended to be historical accounts.

My father was an ex-Marine that worshiped at the shrine of Pappy Boyington and even he would admit that a lot of the claims regarding Ole Pap were dubious at best including his kills. There was considerable controversy regarding how many kills Pappy had with the Flying Tigers. First the official Tigers account and Pappy's account never added up, and second regarding if AVG kills should have been added to his Marine kills.

Regardless, Boyington was obviously one of the best Americans in the air during WWII.

19 posted on 04/01/2007 11:56:28 AM PDT by Condor 63
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To: EveningStar

Frankly I never believed that the Tuskegee airmen never lost a bomber they were escorting to enemy aircraft. The chances of that happening, considering the number of missions they participated in leaves anyone that has studied, or read up on WWII history skeptical. War stories have a way of getting embellished as time goes on ...


20 posted on 04/01/2007 11:57:14 AM PDT by BluH2o
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