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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: calcowgirl

Thank you thank you. So much easier on the eyes.


10,461 posted on 04/25/2007 8:13:20 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: rbmillerjr

Snidely, you can be assured I know exactly what my thoughts and beliefs are and have no problem expressing them. Any resemblence between them and your obscene caricatures is strictly random. Anyone can see from my extensive posting that I am a 100% patriotic American and supports its Constitution totally.

What would be gutless is to surrender to little thugs like you and confess to Thought Crimes which never existed.


10,462 posted on 04/25/2007 8:14:06 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Oh Wow! There are some good folks on that list.
Mia T.
FairOpinion
quidnunc
Peach
KATIE-O
Luis Gonzalez
CeltJew Libertarian

Hope they return.


10,463 posted on 04/25/2007 8:14:08 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: sonic109

“It’s deja vu all over again...”


10,464 posted on 04/25/2007 8:14:17 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: vox_freedom

“Hey, why not leave the 1st amendment up to the states too? //sarcasm now off”

Lol I hear you. I’m from Maryland and themz fightin words to a 2A guy livin in this socialist gun grabbin hole.

...and yeah there is that whole Constitution thing too lol.


10,465 posted on 04/25/2007 8:15:07 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell'm I'm comin - and I'm bringin Hell with me")
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To: Bigh4u2

oops. I will stick to baking cookies then (using a cookie sheet of course). Have not tried it yet.


10,466 posted on 04/25/2007 8:15:10 PM PDT by del4hope (If your candidate doesn't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: Mom MD

I’m on the xplanets pinglist. That’s pretty cool.


10,467 posted on 04/25/2007 8:15:12 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: CindyDawg

I’ve seen a lot come back through even a second time. I’m not sure how that’s working, but in several instances it was let known that people could indeed ask for the accounts to be re-instated. I’ve read that here on the thread somewhere.


10,468 posted on 04/25/2007 8:15:24 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: politicalwit
Well, as my then 3 year old son once said, "You snooze, you not gonna win."

He'll be starting A & M this fall -- a true Aggie!
10,469 posted on 04/25/2007 8:15:39 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: sonic109

"Most of [President] Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine."

--Rudolph Giuliani, New York Post, Jun 8, 1999 (restating RWG quote from 1996 )

 

"I don't think tonight's result is tragic, I guess because I'm not that partisan a person ... I think President Clinton is a good man, he's a very decent man, and the country has run pretty well."

--Rudolph Giuliani, commenting on Bob Dole's loss in the 1996 presidential election.  New York Times, Nov 7, 1996

 


10,470 posted on 04/25/2007 8:15:39 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: La Enchiladita

Is this person serious? Tell me no?


10,471 posted on 04/25/2007 8:16:02 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: rbmillerjr

LOL,,,the night is young...;0)


10,472 posted on 04/25/2007 8:16:08 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: EternalVigilance; Iwo Jima

Fortunately, there is some freeper history/lore to cover this dispute. It is called a dam tie. So, there’s no reason why Free Republic shouldn’t get that donation. I will be updating the keyword with “Dam Ties”.

DAM those Christmas Banning Libs. (ZOT!!! Formerly live chow, euthanized.)

dam ties
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1306708/posts
posts #13 and #14


10,473 posted on 04/25/2007 8:16:17 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: markomalley

” But I don’t think this started with the conservative wing of this conservative site. For months now, literally, many of these Giuliani supporters have embraced this “we are the Borg” attitude, convinced that without Rudy, the Hildabeast was assured her coronation in Jan 2009. “


A lot of those people have left simply because Rudy was their man, not that they were trying to promote the best chance of defeating Hillary, but because they are true Rudy supporters.

The old-timers can tell me if this is true, but could it be that a lot of the anger involved in their leaving is directed at social conservatism and that Rudy would be some of theirs choice, even if a (more) religious copy of Reagan himself were running?


10,474 posted on 04/25/2007 8:16:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or What would at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: glock rocks

Oh shut up.

Whoops. Wrong poster. Carry on.


10,475 posted on 04/25/2007 8:16:37 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: rbmillerjr

And this chair is killing my back.


10,476 posted on 04/25/2007 8:16:50 PM PDT by del4hope (If your candidate doesn't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You listed all of the things that have been making us angry for at least 15 years. And, raising our blood pressure dangerously.
Nope. Not, gonna go with no faux-repub


10,477 posted on 04/25/2007 8:16:57 PM PDT by onyx eyes (Think good things; and, good things happen. Because you work at them.)
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To: del4hope

“I will stick to baking cookies then (using a cookie sheet of course). Have not tried it yet.”

Just don’t try roasting marshmallows tho.

It’s leaves a stick gooey mess all over the dash board.

:)


10,478 posted on 04/25/2007 8:17:02 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: sonic109
Washington Post, Nov 29, 1993 (citing Giuliani's appearance on NBC's Meet the Press.)
New York City Mayor-elect Rudolph W. Giuliani said he advocated a "uniform licensing system with real teeth in it," including background checks, lessons, tests and required renewals every two years to "show you're stable, you're healthy, you're able to handle a gun."

"Anything we can do . . . that will reduce the number of weapons in the country will help cities in particular and help police officers" said Giuliani, a former U.S. attorney. Handguns should be in the hands of police officers.

Chicago Tribune, Dec 9, 1993
With crime rising as a major political issue, President Clinton said Wednesday that he is considering tough new gun-control measures that would have been rejected in less violent times.

He said he is looking into a plan advanced by New York Mayor-elect Rudolph Giuliani to license gun owners and register their weapons in the same way that states license drivers and cars.

And, he said, Atty. Gen. Janet Reno is being asked to make recommendations on a national licensing plan for gun dealers that would function like federal clean-air regulations, "where the state and local regulations are on top of the federal regulations and all have to be complied with."

St. Louis Post, Dec 9, 1993
Like car drivers, gun buyers would need to pass a proficiency test under a uniform licensing proposal President Bill Clinton is considering.

White House Press Secretary Dee Dee Myers said Wednesday that Clinton would ask Attorney General Janet Reno to study the idea. She said Clinton was intrigued with a suggestion by New York Mayor-elect Rudolph W. Giuliani that either the federal government or the states set up strict licensing and training programs for gun buyers.

Giuliani, a Republican who met with Clinton at the White House on Tuesday, has described his plan as "a uniform licensing system with real teeth in it, and a period where you'd have to demonstrate your capability of using a gun, and then every two years you'd have to go back and once again show that you're stable, you're healthy, you're able to handle a gun and you know what to do with it."

The Oregonian, Dec 10, 1993
The administration is talking about "licensing" guns, rather than "registering" them ... But in fact, the licensing procedures under consideration would be more limiting than simple registration, since they would require prospective owners to demonstrate that they can use their guns safely, as well as to provide information on them personally.

10,479 posted on 04/25/2007 8:18:03 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SoCalPol
The Democrat State Convention will be here in San Diego.

They are going to leave a stench in our fair city....ICK! I wouldn't have thought the dims would want to be that close (The) Reagan!!!

10,480 posted on 04/25/2007 8:18:18 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (DUNCAN HUNTER '08 (I'll add Thompson if he ever decides to enter the race))
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