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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Knitting A Conundrum; Delphinium

My oldest son just finished AIT yesterday. He’s now officially a quartermaster in the Idaho National Guard! Graduated with honors...one of the top three in his class. I sure am proud of him!


12,301 posted on 04/27/2007 12:09:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Alan Keyes for President - 2008)
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To: EternalVigilance

Bet you are! Congrats to him, and kudos to you!


12,302 posted on 04/27/2007 12:10:21 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: EternalVigilance

Congratulations!!!


12,303 posted on 04/27/2007 12:10:36 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Brad's Gramma; Knitting A Conundrum

Thanks! :-)


12,304 posted on 04/27/2007 12:11:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Alan Keyes for President - 2008)
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To: papasmurf

Do you accept this statement?

Suffice it to say that when abortion was performed at those times they probably did not think they were killing a human life.

If you accept that as historically true, then what would the founding fathers have done if they were to discuss abortion, having the medical evidence we have today and knowing that life basically begins at conception? Would they outlaw abortion completely? Would they outlaw abortion for all instances that were not rape/incest/life threatening to mother?

I think they would have tabled the discussion and compromised if it bogged down, like they did with slavery. They chose not to extend the protection of guvmint and extend the right to liberty to slaves because of political expedience. And for that, we ended up later with the civil war, ~400k dead or so. The abortion issue has given us ~100 times more dead, 2 orders of magnitude more. So if our founding fathers had been given that glimpse of consequences, I wonder if they would have chosen to outlaw slavery and abortion right at the outset. Of course, hindsight is 20/20.


12,305 posted on 04/27/2007 12:12:46 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: EternalVigilance

Congratulations!
You must be very proud


12,306 posted on 04/27/2007 12:14:04 PM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Jim Robinson

Because the response count to this post is now 12K+ and counting, I feel obligated to give my support in continuing the good fight as you outlined. Stay your course and continue strong objection to a liberal New York city ex-mayor who can pose as anything in order to get the GOP nomination and then change on a dime. He is not to be trusted if one believes in the Second Amendment, is anti-abortion, and wants true strict contructionists appointed as judges, as well as other beliefs re other conservative issues.


12,307 posted on 04/27/2007 12:15:58 PM PDT by izzatzo
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To: Mom MD

I am. He’s a great kid. :-)


12,308 posted on 04/27/2007 12:17:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Alan Keyes for President - 2008)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

“Long-time conservative activist Richard Viguerie has urged conservatives not to support Rudy, Romney, or McCain in the 2008 presidential race (see video here).”

Outstanding! Link to the video? I’m heading out for a bit...will be back.


12,309 posted on 04/27/2007 12:17:51 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
And you saved me cinnamon rolls?
Oh. Pooop.
Next week??? :)

It's a plan! :-)

12,310 posted on 04/27/2007 12:19:11 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

A plan is good.

Whether of not I’ll get to eat any of them......is another story.

*sniff*


12,311 posted on 04/27/2007 12:20:02 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Petronski
If the GOP nominates a pro-abortion gungrabbing liberal, they forfeit my vote, and that result is not my fault, but theirs.

Same here. But they'll blame both of us anyway.

12,312 posted on 04/27/2007 12:20:11 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: EternalVigilance
""My oldest son just finished AIT yesterday. He’s now officially a quartermaster in the Idaho National Guard! Graduated with honors...one of the top three in his class. I sure am proud of him!"" ---------------------------------------------------------- Congratulations, that is the kind of participation that holds it all together. Image and video hosting by TinyPic
12,313 posted on 04/27/2007 12:20:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: ansel12

Amen!

Wow, that is a great pic!

Thank you!


12,314 posted on 04/27/2007 12:21:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Alan Keyes for President - 2008)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Katrina blowed away the “plantation-vote” in NOLA ,,,
They cannot stack a state/fed election like they did the NO city election,,,RINO’s are jumpin’ the party(Boasso)
for one,,,back to the (D) to run for Gov.,,,

The Libo-Kraps are “Up-To-Their-Ass-In-Alligators”...;0)

P.S. Almost Dinner-Time...;0)


12,315 posted on 04/27/2007 12:22:20 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: All

“Outstanding!”

Clarification for moths. Specefic to Rudy, it’s Outstanding!!!


12,316 posted on 04/27/2007 12:22:29 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

KUDOS! To your time and effort.


12,317 posted on 04/27/2007 12:23:37 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people,
it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to
dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick Henry

Most Excellent!

12,318 posted on 04/27/2007 12:24:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

“Many free countries have lost their liberty, and ours may lose hers; but if she shall, be it my proudest plume, not that I was the last to desert, but that I never deserted her. I know that the great volcano at Washington, aroused and directed by the evil spirit that reigns there, is belching forth the lava of political corruption in a current broad and deep, which is sweeping with frightful velocity over the whole length and breadth of the land, bidding fair to leave unscathed no green spot or living thing; while on its bosom are riding, like demons on the waves of hell, the imps of that evil spirit, and fiendishly taunting all those who dare resist its destroying course with the hopelessness of their effort; and, knowing this, I cannot deny that all may be swept away. Broken by it I, too, may be; bow to it I never will.

Abraham Lincoln, 1839

(sounds like a description of the stuff going on in Congress now. I join full hearted in his sentiments of standing, and not bowing to it.)


12,319 posted on 04/27/2007 12:30:06 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God." - George Washington
12,320 posted on 04/27/2007 12:31:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Alan Keyes for President - 2008)
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