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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Enosh

Is there no end to this thread?


12,581 posted on 04/27/2007 7:32:23 PM PDT by Shyla
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To: afnamvet

I will vote for Rudy if he is the GOP nominee. End of story.
I may prefer Hunter or Thompson, but I will not do anything that would end us up with Hillary or Obama.
And I think Rudy might just make a great president. I do not think he will try to rock the boat on any social issues. He will appoint judges who are conservative.
His main task I believe is to win the war on terror and bring fiscal restraint back to DC. If he does that, alot of conservatives would end up happy.
If my participation were the deciding factor in who got the nod, I would probably pick Hunter. But Rudy does not scare me.
A RAT in the White House does.


12,582 posted on 04/27/2007 7:33:48 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: Brad's Gramma; All
Boy Howdy, Fiddlstix...I started reading that, NOT wanting to get to the bottom for fear I’d lost another friend.

And what do I see? An itty bitty smilie, smiling at me.

Nobody at FR has lost my friendship. That will never happen.

When I do Get Serious (An' thet ain't much, I'll admit)....
I do tend to get Real Serious

I hope everyone understands that.....
Go Ahead: Click It!

12,583 posted on 04/27/2007 7:42:56 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ansel12
left leg shadow seems to fit with what he is holding.

If you look closely, the bag shadow does not line up either.

12,584 posted on 04/27/2007 7:43:18 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: afnamvet

Thanks, glad to be here!


12,585 posted on 04/27/2007 7:44:25 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: roostercogburn

Rudy is no better than any rat.


12,586 posted on 04/27/2007 7:44:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<-----------My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: Domestic Church

I pray you’re right, Domestic Church. Had to laugh though about you killin’ snakes with a shovel. We don’t have snakes in Alaska, but I grew up around rattlers in Wisconsin. Never had to kill one myself but my mother was always worried about my friendship with the snakes in the yard. She was worried that I’d mistake a garter snake for a rattler one day. LOL


12,587 posted on 04/27/2007 7:46:36 PM PDT by Chena (Why settle for less when you could have the best! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: roostercogburn
He will appoint judges who are conservative.

He had the opportunity to appoint over 60 judges as Mayor. Almost none of them were Republicans, not even leftist Republicans like Rooty.

12,588 posted on 04/27/2007 7:47:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<-----------My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Yup.


12,589 posted on 04/27/2007 7:49:06 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: roostercogburn
I can not support/vote for any candidate that supports abortion and has no knowledge of our constitution and forgets how many have fought and died preserving it. Remember, it is early in the campaign. God is the only one who knows how this will finish. I respect your opinion and I wish you well.
12,590 posted on 04/27/2007 7:51:25 PM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: Fiddlstix

Backatcha...!!!

:)


12,591 posted on 04/27/2007 7:55:46 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (See HiJinx's tag line....then DO it!!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Silence and inaction are choices.

Not choosing is a choice.

People seem to forget that sometimes.


12,592 posted on 04/27/2007 7:56:32 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: roostercogburn; Chena

“”I will vote for Rudy if he is the GOP nominee. End of story.
I may prefer Hunter or Thompson, but I will not do anything that would end us up with Hillary or Obama.
And I think Rudy might just make a great president. I do not think he will try to rock the boat on any social issues. He will appoint judges who are conservative.
His main task I believe is to win the war on terror and bring fiscal restraint back to DC. If he does that, alot of conservatives would end up happy.
If my participation were the deciding factor in who got the nod, I would probably pick Hunter.””


That was an interesting trip, an enthusiastic sales pitch for the most liberal candidate as the primary season opens, capped with a single sentence of a, but in my heart my man is the most conservative candidate of the announced candidates so far(Hunter)

It is far too early to be making strong promotions of, and eloquent arguments for voting Giuliani, as better than not voting at all.

We are just starting the primaries, we should be promoting the more conservative candidates and doing everything in our power to bump the most liberal candidate, as conservatives this is what we do in every primary of every election.

In six months we will see what the conversation is about, but right now we should be reinforcing the momentum JR has started, we should not be trying to counter it, that just isn’t conservative.


12,593 posted on 04/27/2007 7:56:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Shyla
It's actually gotten quite good! Have you had the time to read some of this?

I know, I know...

12,594 posted on 04/27/2007 7:57:10 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (See HiJinx's tag line....then DO it!!!!)
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To: roostercogburn

Keyes:

And why is it that out of the mouths of all our statesmen we hear all these great emotional words, but they won’t speak the simple truths that our Founders—from Washington through Jefferson, to Lincoln and every President—spoke, until we got to our own cowardly times?

We are not going to remain a free people if we insist on being a corrupt and licentious people.

We are not going to remain a free people if we arrogate to ourselves the right to destroy the rights of others. And that’s exactly what we are doing when we embrace the so-called “pro-choice,” the truly pro-abortion agenda.

My friends, I think it’s empty to praise the courage of the men and women who have died in the service of this country’s freedom and its principles, and yet decide that we shall lack the courage to stand up for those principles, many or few, or even alone if we must. Because that is, in fact, the courage that built America.

This nation was not, as some would have us believe, a dream of material progress and prosperity, and great cities and mountains of money. It was not.

I’m glad that we have achieved that prosperity, even though it came at much expense to some of my forebears. But I’ll tell you something—those who toiled in the depths of slavery, they had an understanding of the real dream of American freedom.

It’s the dream of moral dignity that comes from respecting our true moral capacity.

It’s the dream of self-government that comes from respecting the fact that, in the end, freedom is not just a choice, it is not just an opportunity. It can be a burden and a sacrifice and an obligation. And, above all, it is the obligation to respect the truth of our moral identity.

That moral identity can unite us across every line of race and color and creed, so long as we have the courage to stand for it.

And I think you know by now, looking at the Clinton Administration, that if we as Republicans abandon that line of principle, it will surely be abandoned in America.

But I can also tell you this in warning, that if you abandon that line of principle, there are Americans who will fight—few or many, alone if we must—to make sure that it prevails.

And at every point in our history, when we had the choice between right and wrong, in the end this country chose what was right—and we can be grateful for it. And I think we shall do it again, because we know that the real heroes in America are those who, in their families and in their daily lives, respect the truth that we must meet the obligations and sacrifices of freedom before we claim its privileges and benefits.

And that that means, as well, that come what may, even if it means that we must sacrifice in our personal lives, we have to stand where our Founders stood, on the belief that you cannot have the right to do what is wrong, but that if we build self-government on a true adherence to the principles of justice, then we shall hold up a beacon of right and hope for all of humankind to understand the true destiny of mankind.

http://www.keyesarchives.com/speeches/95_02_19focusfamily.htm


12,595 posted on 04/27/2007 7:58:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<-----------My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think he will honor the promise he is making to the GOP. He will appoint conservative judges.
Overall, Rudy was a great mayor and leader.
Reagan was a great president. But if I am not mistaken the national debt exploded under his leadership. He should have obliterated Hezbollah after the 1983 attack on our marines in Beirut, instead of leaving without retaliation. No one is perfect.
I fail to see how anyone here would do the RAT nominee the favor by voting for a third party candidate that has no chance of winning.


12,596 posted on 04/27/2007 7:58:36 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Indeed.


12,597 posted on 04/27/2007 7:59:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<-----------My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: roostercogburn
I think he will honor the promise he is making to the GOP.

Never trust a liberal.

12,598 posted on 04/27/2007 8:00:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<-----------My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: bjs1779

“If you look closely, the bag shadow does not line up either.”

I looks right to me, a sun not too far past noon.


12,599 posted on 04/27/2007 8:00:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: ansel12

Why did you ping me?


12,600 posted on 04/27/2007 8:01:18 PM PDT by Chena (Why settle for less when you could have the best! Fred Thompson for President!)
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