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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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Gardeners of evil

Alan Keyes
April 28, 2007

Shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court issued its ruling in Gonzales v. Carhart (the case that involved a challenge to the federal law restricting so-called partial birth abortion), I received an email reporting the decision with a copy of the ruling attached. Unlike many whom the media identify as leaders in the pro-life movement, I felt no inclination to leap for joy at the news that the Court’s opinion upheld the constitutionality of the law.

In the first place, I have never been convinced that the legislative action in question had much significance for the pro-life cause. I believe it was mostly intended to provide cover for pro-abortion Republican politicians, who could offer their vote for the PBA restriction as a fig leaf to cover the shame of their supposedly pro-life supporters who put partisan politics above their obligations of conscience. In the second place, it seemed unwise to react to the decision before carefully considering the argument that produced it.

Abominable affirmation

Having done so, I cannot join in, or even understand, the approbation which others have expressed for this decision. It is in fact an abominable affirmation of the Court’s unconstitutional decisions in Roe and Casey. With grotesquely meticulous care, the man whose pivotal vote preserved so-called abortion rights in the Casey decision (Justice Kennedy) carves out an exception intended to prove and strengthen the rules set forth in Roe and Casey.

As my good friend Judie Brown put it recently (at a Colorado Right To Life dinner in Denver), Kennedy played the part of a skillful gardener, cutting back the evil planted by Roe/Casey in order to strengthen and extend its roots, hoping no doubt to make it harder to overturn in any subsequent ruling. While allowing for a state interest in restricting one brutal way of murdering the nascent child, he makes it clear that this restriction is tolerable under Roe/Casey only because abortionists still have access to other equally brutal modes of killing.

At one point, with what seems like dogged satisfaction, Kennedy describes such an alternative in almost clinical detail, no doubt because he knows that in doing so he implicates all the justices who join his reasoning in explicit support for the right to use this alternative to kill the child, even though it is just as horrendous as the one restricted by the “partial birth” legislation.

Arcane logic

This reminds me of the careful logic that I’m told is often characteristic of serial killers, psychopaths who follow arcane rituals in order to distinguish their killings from anything so profane as ordinary murder. In like fashion, Kennedy makes clear that the abortionists who rip the child limb from limb while it is still within the womb are doctors helping a woman to exercise her “right to choose” — while those who mangle the child when it has emerged past a certain point are violators, subject to the restrictive force of law. Though the child is in principle the same person in both situations, the Court’s glassy-eyed observance of its own fanatically arcane and ritualistic logic is supposed to establish some invisible line of demarcation separating one act of murder from the next.

This decision is not a harbinger of hope for an end to the Court-imposed reign of terror in the womb. It is evidence of a legal elite gone mad, hopelessly lost in the maze of its own psychopathic logic. We might think them pathetic if we did not have to live in a nation whose conscience is compromised and confused by the holocaust their insanity has unleashed.

Compromised abettors

After reading the text of the decision, my heart sank at the thought that all four of the supposedly pro-life appointees to the Court had voted to accept its lethal implication. Then I saw the saving grace of Justice Thomas’s brief but clarion concurring opinion, in which he stated simply that although he voted for the decision’s result, he continues to reject the Roe/Casey regime it relies upon, in the conviction that “the Court’s abortion jurisprudence, including Casey and Roe v. Wade, . . . has no basis in the Constitution.” Justice Scalia joined in this morally and constitutionally essential declaration.

But these two stood alone. Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, the two G. W. Bush appointees who supposedly offer hope for an eventual return to constitutional sanity were silent. They let the Gardener of Evil speak for them, with the clear and tragic implication that they concur in his mad, immoral effort to make Gonzales v. Carhart the exception that firmly proves and establishes the murderous rule of so-called abortion rights.

Since all things are possible with God, we must hope that events will disprove this implication. As things now stand, however, Gonzales v. Carhart offers clear evidence that G. W. Bush’s appointees to the U.S. Supreme Court are the compromised abettors of unconstitutional abuse that some of us feared they might be, rather than the constituents of constitutional restoration for whom we still pray.

It points to the sobering probability that the Supreme Court now has a 7-2 majority in favor of persisting in its unconstitutional assertion of the right to murder our posterity. It confirms the truth that I have long asserted, that we cannot expect the restoration of the Constitution to come from the usurping branch of the federal government whose ambitious members have engineered its overthrow.

Ultimately up to us

If we want constitutional rule, we must act so that the other branches can unite to restore it. We must elect to Congress and the Presidency only those candidates who pledge to respect the Constitutional imperative “to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity,” and to abide by the oath of office that requires them to use their constitutional powers to that end.

We need representatives in Congress, the Senate, and the White House who will say “yes” to the Constitution and “no” to the judges and justices who discard it. And we need fervently to pray for God’s help in finding the courage, discernment, and faith to be the kind of citizens who will vote for and support them, no matter what.

We will finally get the leaders America needs only when we resolve to become the citizens of conscience and principle that we ought to be. For God and our posterity, now is the time.

© 2007 Alan Keyes

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/keyes/070428


13,281 posted on 04/28/2007 1:26:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: commonguymd

Uh, OK...


13,282 posted on 04/28/2007 1:26:26 PM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

LOL!


13,283 posted on 04/28/2007 1:28:24 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: EternalVigilance

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825240/posts


13,284 posted on 04/28/2007 1:30:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: Skywarner

“Correct, Keyes is not currently a candidate. However, my question was asked of EV - and he is admittedly a Keyes supporter (nothing wrong with that at all, BTW). ;-)”

No nothing wrong with questions. But Keyes questions seem totally irrelevant since he is not even in the race and has no plans to.

The reason I bring it up is one of the antiFR sites, Gulag Darwin, seems to be conspiracy types over there and here are some they espoused recently: (and I’m not accusing you, just noting my reasoning for asking about Keyes)

-Jim Robinson is not in charge of FR, secretly replaced.
-Fred Thompson will be swiftboated lmao
-Next “purge” goes after GWBush supporters, bushbots
**Alan Keyes has bought Free Republic and is the puppetmaster lol.


13,285 posted on 04/28/2007 1:32:12 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Skywarner

I hope you didn’t take offense to that, probably sounded snarky and I apologize. I just know from having a discussion with you earlier that this whole shift that is causing people dismay is personally bothering you. I understand that. Seeing friends opus out, flame out, and attack the owner of the site may be difficult for some. But, after listening to your feelings on it, the last place I thought you would go would be right to the middle of the fray again.


13,286 posted on 04/28/2007 1:32:12 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: HairOfTheDog

((((HairOfTheDog))))


13,287 posted on 04/28/2007 1:33:29 PM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: DCPatriot
Image and video hosting by TinyPic She sent me this!!(hidin')...;0)
13,288 posted on 04/28/2007 1:35:22 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Jim Robinson
So who else got banned for posting on this thread and not supporting Rudy and did not doing anything on other threads but got banned for doing so on this thread for saying:
“Hello”
“Is this thread still going strong/”
“Wow 13,000 posts....”
“Hey Jim R. I agree with you about those who support Rudy.”
In short just replying on this long and mostly unneeded and an excuse to ban thread.........
13,289 posted on 04/28/2007 1:35:29 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: ansel12
Giuliani's absurd statement made 2/22/07 to wit:

"I'd like to see it ended, but ultimately I believe that a woman has the right to choose" cost him the nomination.

A woman most definitely DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO KILL A LIVE BABY.

If not for that he would have been the next POTUS.

Thompson may or may not end up the nominee, his nubile wife aside, at least she isn't an ugly communist retard.

If the GOP nominates anyone other than Thompson we are looking at the return of the AK Mafia.

Then all bets are off.

13,290 posted on 04/28/2007 1:35:45 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: ansel12
"Not used as a lever, JR has decided to unite FR in an effort to defeat Giuliani, that naturally forced to the surface many of the anti-social conservative bunch, many of whom stormed out when their agendas were thwarted, and their motives exposed."

The problem with all that is that he also got rid of a lot of long time members. I disagree with you in that I considered them to be good members. I consider it to be a great loss to Freerepublic. I saw some of them get banned while politely, if forcefully arguing their points in the face of unbelievably rude and sarcastic comments from their opponents, who were not banned. I'm appalled at the glee and vindictiveness with which they were cheered on their way. I don't see that as a credit to conservatism.

13,291 posted on 04/28/2007 1:36:25 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: yield 2 the right

tick tock tick tock


13,292 posted on 04/28/2007 1:36:53 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: DCPatriot

I know you’re a fan, but I (and a lot of other people) can’t split why we’re conservative from our moral underpinnings. We’re conservative because of our moral underpinnings.

We’re in the middle of a culture war, and the PCism and the Gay Agenda that’s being rammed down our throats requires that we cannot back down, cannot “prostitute” ourselves even a little bit.

We’re fighting for the right to be people of faith, for family and ultimately for Western civilization. On some issues, because of what’s at stake, I cannot compromise.


13,293 posted on 04/28/2007 1:37:10 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: rbmillerjr

Up until you’re mentioning of it, I had never heard of Gulag Darwin or any of those conspiracy theories.

However, considering the apparent purge and the atmosphere here in general, even to those of us who are conservatives but don’t really care for the tactics of late, these tin foil conspiracies admittedly come as no surprise.


13,294 posted on 04/28/2007 1:37:25 PM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: commonguymd

Careful now, you might not last, any little offense on this thread ill get you banned or suspended........


13,295 posted on 04/28/2007 1:38:14 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: DCPatriot; EternalVigilance
>>>>I never was on the receiving end of one of Howlin's 'dressing downs'. But whenever I read the beatings she was handing out...I was usually in agreement with her.

Posters who become unruly deserve to be handed a good rhetorical lashing. I've been known to hand out a few myself from time to time. But Howlin didn't stop there. She took it to the next level. When it came to politics she rarely stuck to the issues and preferred the personal attack to honest debate. Nevertheless, you just summed up your relationship with her nicely. Two peas in a pod. Well, shes gone now and she only has herself to blame.

What Howlin did most of the time was to set out to destroy anyone who dared disagree with her centrist-pragmatic form of politics. She didn't like conservatives or conservatism, and she expressed that up until her last week on FR. That recent post to EternalVigilance about said it all.

"The transformation of the GOP into Democrat Party Lite? It’s not going to be DNC Lite; it’s going to be a more moderate conservative party though; you all have had your foot on our necks for too long. This country has to be governed in the middle; the world has moved on from the 50’s. The Contract with America will unite this party again. But we’re not going to let you make abortion and guns the big issues this time around."

Good riddance to a meanspirited, vindictive and troubled soul.

13,296 posted on 04/28/2007 1:38:41 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: don-o; La Enchiladita
Don-o!!!

Will you be the adult for today or are you off this weekend?


13,297 posted on 04/28/2007 1:39:00 PM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: don-o; Lady Jag

She’s the graphics queen!


13,298 posted on 04/28/2007 1:39:34 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Skywarner

“considering the apparent purge and the atmosphere here in general,..., these tin foil conspiracies admittedly come as no surprise.”

LOL. I think it’s more related to the lack of scientific method used in their thinking process. Sometimes when people experience dramatic change and transitionary events, people rationalize it with unsound, uneducated and neurotic thinking.


13,299 posted on 04/28/2007 1:41:16 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: commonguymd

Thank you, commonguymd. I do sincerely accept your apology, and I now understand the point you were originally making.

You are correct in saying that the dismay is personally bothering me. But, I’m not one to just “cut and run” on a situation like this. I’d rather confront it head on and deal with in as positive and constructive a manner as possible. That’s my intention, at least.


13,300 posted on 04/28/2007 1:41:19 PM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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