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Bush Fears For Nation’s Soul; Peggy Noonan Fears For Bush’s Soul
Political Mavens/Jewish World Review ^ | June 4, 2007

Posted on 06/04/2007 6:14:33 AM PDT by theothercheek

In an interview aboard Air Force One last week with Ron Hutcheson of McClatchy Newspapers, President Bush said:

"I'm deeply concerned about America losing its soul. Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history. And I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers. And I believe that a newly arrived adds to the vigor and the entrepreneurial spirit, and enhances the American Dream."

These sentiments, coupled with Bush’s suggestion that opponents of his compromised immigration compromise "don't want to do what's right for America," are driving conservatives to apoplexy. The Wall Street Journal’s Peggy Noonan contends that Bush broke faith with conservatives, not the other way around:

Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place. …

You don't like endless gushing spending … Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."

Noonan makes the case that it’s déjà vu all over again:

[T]he Bushes, father and son … are great wasters of political inheritance. They throw it away as if they'd earned it and could do with it what they liked. Bush senior inherited a vibrant country and a party at peace with itself. … Mr. Bush won in 1988 by saying he would govern as Reagan had. … [H]e raised taxes, sundered a hard-won coalition, and found himself shocked to lose his party the presidency, and for eight long and consequential years. ….

Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative, garnered all the frustrated hopes of his party, turned them into victory, and not nine months later was handed a historical trauma that left his country rallied around him, lifting him, and his party bonded to him. He was disciplined and often daring, but in time he sundered the party that rallied to him, and broke his coalition into pieces. …

There’s only one thing conservatives and Republicans can do now, says Noonan: “[W]in back their party.” She adds that “breaking from those who have already broken from [you]” and “letting go … will be painful, but it's time. It's more than time.”

The question is, how?

Deep down – maybe not so deep down – conservatives always knew Bush was a pretender, mouthing the right words and making the right gestures. But conservatives voted for him anyway, the first time to pre-empt a third Clinton term and the second time because the thought of Kerry as a post-9/11 Commander in Chief was nightmare-inducing.

This was a shot-gun wedding and after eight years of Bush, conservatives are understandably gun-shy. But holding out for an imaginary ideal of ideological purity is not the answer. And allowing Hillary Clinton to capture the White House by staying home on Election Day is not an option.

There may be a third way: A new conservative coalition that crosses party lines to include anyone who considers himself center-right. Such a coalition could as easily support a conservative Republican as a “Blue Dog” Democrat. Since neither party would be able to count on the bipartisan bloc’s vote, both will court these voters and neither will take them for granted. As an added benefit, the sheer size of this bipartisan bloc may be an equal and opposing force against the inexorable leftward pull the moonbats are exerting on the Dem party platform.

Of the 19 declared presidential candidates as of this writing, Rudy Giuliani is the most logical choice to forge this new coalition of conservatives. He is enough of a social liberal to attract Reagan Democrats, and tough enough on crime and terrorism – with the added bonus of being fiscally conservative – to attract conservatives who are putting social issue on the back burner this time around.

Over the next 18 months, several home-grown Muslim terror plots are likely to come to light - such as the thwarted plan to blow up aviation fuel tanks and feeder lines running underground from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport through surrounding residential neighborhoods in Queens. Each time, more social conservatives will conclude that preventing the aborting of the lives of those already born in acts of terrorism is at least as important as preventing the aborting of unborn babies.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; aliens; conservatives; elections; giuliani; illegalaliens; illigalimmigration; immigrantlist; rudygiuliani; shotgunwedding
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1 posted on 06/04/2007 6:14:37 AM PDT by theothercheek
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To: theothercheek

“would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers.”

We lost our ability to assimilate newcomers when we lost control over our border.


2 posted on 06/04/2007 6:17:10 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: theothercheek

I fear that Peggy Noonan has better worry about her own soul.


3 posted on 06/04/2007 6:18:28 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: theothercheek
"Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history"

Yes. But what the U.S. is undergoing is an illegal invasion, not "immigration".

Bush is lying through his teeth on this issue, and he knows it. More importantly, we know it as well.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

4 posted on 06/04/2007 6:19:40 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: theothercheek

well it looks my souls has to learn Spanish very well


5 posted on 06/04/2007 6:19:59 AM PDT by Flavius ("Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: popdonnelly

El Presidente Bush waves GOODBYE to America's health and his base in the GOP.

6 posted on 06/04/2007 6:20:32 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: theothercheek
"And I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers." W

We're not assimilating them. They are an alien presence.

Of the 19 declared presidential candidates as of this writing, Rudy Giuliani is the most logical choice to forge this new coalition of conservatives.

Let's see: pro-abortion, pro-deviancy, anti-rkba, ..., now there's someting we can all rally around.

7 posted on 06/04/2007 6:21:09 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: theothercheek
This was a shot-gun wedding and after eight years of Bush, conservatives are understandably gun-shy.

Is she living in the future?

8 posted on 06/04/2007 6:22:33 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts ma'am)
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To: theothercheek

This was a great article. Till it turned into a rah-rah propaganda piece for Rootie.


9 posted on 06/04/2007 6:22:36 AM PDT by upchuck (If you don't have borders, you won't have a nation ~ Mark Steyn)
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To: popdonnelly

Exactly right. We can see how well assimilation is going in southern California and Arizona. It is an invasion that is changing the face of the public school systems for the worse, taxes health care systems to the breaking point and forcing citizens to bear an increasing local tax burden. Those who can not see the problem aren’t fit to be leaders. I propose we deport the President and Kennedy to Mexico. Cheney running the show would have to be better.


10 posted on 06/04/2007 6:22:46 AM PDT by Maelstorm (You can tell the meter of a man by his silence as much or more than by his voice.)
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To: Joe Brower
"Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history"

It is highly troubling that G.W. Bush refuses to distinguish legal immigration from illegal immigration.

11 posted on 06/04/2007 6:23:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: theothercheek

I won’t vote for someone who thinks it is okay to kill babies and I won’t vote for a homosexual marriage/union/partner supporter, an ENDA supporter, or Hate Crimes Bill supporter. I won’t vote for someone who won’t stand up and try to stop the gov’t from promoting deviancy and perversity to children, either.


12 posted on 06/04/2007 6:24:10 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: theothercheek
A rehash of Peggy's excellent throw down. Great.

Turning that into another "Rudy will save us" screed? No thanks

13 posted on 06/04/2007 6:24:19 AM PDT by don-o (“I don`t expect politicians to solve anyone's problems.The world owes us nothing” Bob Dylan)
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To: theothercheek

This article’s ending makes no sense. Conservatives need to take back the GOP...so we need to do it by voting for the LEAST conservative Republican presidential candidate?

And if he thinks Giuliani could make up for stripping the GOP’s right wing by appealing to the Blue Dogs, he’s crazy. Pelosi Galore has very firm control over the Rats despite her wackjob-left leanings. Look at Heath Shuler from NC for an example. He ran as a conservative, and beat a Republican incumbent in a largely conservative district (Asheville excepted), and he’s rarely broken with the Democratic leadership on even the most liberal bills. The Rats have ALWAYS been better at party discipline and keeping the Congresscritters in line than the GOP has been.

}:-)4


14 posted on 06/04/2007 6:25:07 AM PDT by Moose4 (Just junk all across the horizon, a real highwayman's farewell...)
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To: theothercheek

The problem as I see it is the decision makers at RNC headquarters spend way to much time thinking about Hillary Clinton.

She’s not electable nationwide.


15 posted on 06/04/2007 6:25:28 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: theothercheek

He seems to think that America is a financial state of being.


16 posted on 06/04/2007 6:25:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: theothercheek

Presidential Oath, Revised Version
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, but only insofar as the interests of my political friends and large campaign donors, foreign and domestic, are well-served.”
Beelzebubba Clinton, 1992, 1996
Jorge Bustamante Boosh, 2000, 2004


17 posted on 06/04/2007 6:26:02 AM PDT by tumblindice (SN, AFU)
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To: theothercheek

President Bush, if you feel for the soul of this nation...why not secure our borders, build a wall and PROTECT the very souls of this nation you feel for. This statement sounds to me like a defeatist attitude on the part of the President and certainly sounds like the rest of us should be MORE THAN WORRIED after hearing a statment like that come out of the mouth of our President while at the same time he is offering AMNESTY to millions of illegals.
This is mind boggling and not something I wanted to hear so early in the morning when I read this on FR.

Wars should be fought to win!
Illegals should be rounded up and sent back period.
They broke the law by coming here illegally
They are deficating on properites of ranchers and are dangerous.
Do we do anything? NO, we put border patrol agents in jail for doing their jobs.
The illegals are LAUGHING AT US and those who can do something about it don’t give a damn. America is in real trouble and I worry if she can ever recover. I thank God my parents are not alive to witness the damage our government has thrust on its own people. Shame, shame, shame!

FREE THE BORDER AGENTS NOW!


18 posted on 06/04/2007 6:26:48 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: AmericanMade1776
I fear that Peggy Noonan has better worry about her own soul.

Maybe you misread - the way the post is formatted make it hard to see where Peggy's article stops.

19 posted on 06/04/2007 6:27:04 AM PDT by don-o (“I don`t expect politicians to solve anyone's problems.The world owes us nothing” Bob Dylan)
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To: Joe Brower
Bush is lying through his teeth on this issue, and he knows it.

You're giving him too much credit.

20 posted on 06/04/2007 6:28:32 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (Why are we importing Mexican socialists?)
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To: theothercheek
Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history. And I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers.

For the millionth time - George, they came here ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are not talking about immigration here, we are talking about a bunch of illegals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm having a nightmare and I can't wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

21 posted on 06/04/2007 6:28:52 AM PDT by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter. Seriously.)
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To: theothercheek

I pledge allegiance to the North American Trade Zone and to the Rudy who took my guns...


22 posted on 06/04/2007 6:29:10 AM PDT by claudiustg (I didn't leave the Republican Party. I was purged.)
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To: theothercheek
What is it about ILLEGAL immigration that he doesn't get? I don't know about everyone else, but my soul feels a WHOLE lot more secure than my country's borders.

ILLEGAL immigrants, President Bush. ILLEGAL.

23 posted on 06/04/2007 6:29:17 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( Bumper sticker idea: Hillary/Obama Nation '08. Let the desolation begin)
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To: Joe Brower

“Bush is lying through his teeth on this issue,”

Can one be a good Christian and lie to the people about this issue?


24 posted on 06/04/2007 6:29:44 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: theothercheek

So, Bush isn’t a conservative, so we should vote for Rudy because he’s also not a conservative? This is like two unrelated columns tacked together.


25 posted on 06/04/2007 6:31:29 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: popdonnelly

AMEN! And Bush is largely responsible for the lack of enforcement. It sickens me when he tries to spin this deceptive propaganda to the American public.


26 posted on 06/04/2007 6:33:03 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: popdonnelly
“I’m deeply concerned about America losing its soul. Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country’s history.”

No, you dolt. LEGAL immigration has been “the lifeblood of a lot of our country’s history.” Your perfidious amnesty bill simply validates a huge wave of ILLEGAL immigration, which does irreparable harm to LEGAL immigration.

/former GW supporter

27 posted on 06/04/2007 6:36:46 AM PDT by piytar
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To: small voice in the wilderness

This is the difference between a conservative and a ‘compassionate conservative.’ Nobody should be surprised; he tried to warn us that being conservative isn’t good enough.


28 posted on 06/04/2007 6:36:57 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: atomicpossum

Wanting to believe Bush was a conservative & voting for him because he could beat Gore was what got us in the mess we’re in now. If Gore had won, there’s a chance he would not have been re-elected and we might have gotten a better conservative candidate in there now, I said ‘a chance’.

We better think real hard before we make that kind of stupid mistake again & let someone like Guiliani or McCain even get close to being our candidate. We are giving our party away to a bunch of Globalist/Elite/Country Club Republicans.

Time to stop the train wreck NOW!!!!!!!


29 posted on 06/04/2007 6:36:59 AM PDT by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter. Seriously.)
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To: theothercheek

>>”I’m deeply concerned about America losing its soul. Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country’s history. And I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers.<<

Maybe I’m missing something here. Since when was this about immigration? Who ever said anything about being against immigration?

This issue has nothing to do with immigration — rather, it is solely about law enforcement. I suspect the president knows that but would rather change the subject because he knows how poor his record is in that regard.

As for my soul, Mr. President, that’s a matter between my God and me. So butt-out.


30 posted on 06/04/2007 6:38:25 AM PDT by KingSnorky
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To: Diogenesis

Well stated!


31 posted on 06/04/2007 6:38:53 AM PDT by newcthem (George Bush.......Making America Safer............FOR MEXICAN CRIMINALS!)
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To: atomicpossum
The first part of the article was good, but it got weird when Rudy was noted as a conservative. Bush isn’t a conservative and Rudy isn’t either. It is strange that someone would see the former, but fail to see the latter.
32 posted on 06/04/2007 6:39:27 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: theothercheek
Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history (Urge to start screaming - fear that I won't be able to stop) No, Mr. President. LEGAL IMMIGRATION has been that lifeblood. This is like calling bank robbers "illegal bankers", and then pointing out how important banking is.
33 posted on 06/04/2007 6:39:54 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: theothercheek

“Of the 19 declared presidential candidates as of this writing, Rudy Giuliani is the most logical choice to forge this new coalition of conservatives.”

Yeah, right. Is the author smokng crack? Giuliani is just another Bush — a faux conservative at best.

Fool me once (Bush 41), shame on you. Fool me twice (Bush 43), shame on me. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FOOL ME AGAIN!


34 posted on 06/04/2007 6:40:30 AM PDT by piytar
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To: theothercheek
I thought she got it, until she mentioned Rudy.

Talk about going from bad to worse. No thanks.

35 posted on 06/04/2007 6:40:53 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: piytar
former GW supporter

Me too. I removed my Bush bumper sticker last fall. I also took the Support Bush banner out of my storefront window then too. In the past, I have given out hundreds of Bush bumper stickers & actually lost a few customers because of my support for this man that I am ashamed of now.

I feel totally betrayed by this whole administration.

36 posted on 06/04/2007 6:41:19 AM PDT by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter. Seriously.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness


37 posted on 06/04/2007 6:41:48 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: theothercheek

Bush certainly doesn’t need to worry about the soul of the people. He needs to look out for his own. He needs to quit spinning a seriously detrimental issue that will affect every aspect of our country as a virtue for him, and flaw in the American citizen.

The flaw lies with you and your Global World, Mr. Bush.


38 posted on 06/04/2007 6:42:34 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: theothercheek
Of the 19 declared presidential candidates as of this writing, Rudy Giuliani is the most logical choice to forge this new coalition of conservatives. He is enough of a social liberal to attract Reagan Democrats, and tough enough on crime and terrorism – with the added bonus of being fiscally conservative – to attract conservatives who are putting social issue on the back burner this time around.

Is she serious? Sanctuary City Guiliani is the one to forge this new coalition of conservatives? I don't think ANY of those words mean what she thinks they mean.

39 posted on 06/04/2007 6:43:26 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Moose4

I think you are wrong. This immigration issue could pull the Reagan Democrat types to vote for the right candidate. Pelosi may control the pols in the House with her mob machine methods, but she does not control the voters. There are lots of workers, blacks, and Hispanics who are directly impacted by this problem and might well vote for the right Republican who was tough on immigration. I do not think Giulani is that man, however.


40 posted on 06/04/2007 6:44:49 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
"Can one be a good Christian and lie to the people about this issue?"

Not in my book. "Deeds, not words", as the saying goes.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

41 posted on 06/04/2007 6:46:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: theothercheek

The writer is either an idiot or disingenuous. Rudy Guliani is *not* a conservative.


42 posted on 06/04/2007 6:47:41 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Diogenesis

Beautiful, isn’t it? Why doesn’t Barbara Boxer hold up one of THOSE charts and start a debate? Better yet, why doesn’t W. peruse that information and LET IT SINK IN. These are NOT opportunities, these are PROBLEMS. GAWD, when is common sense going to make a return to those in charge?!?


43 posted on 06/04/2007 6:47:41 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( Bumper sticker idea: Hillary/Obama Nation '08. Let the desolation begin)
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To: theothercheek

Assimilate? In central Florida where I live the only assimilation I’m seeing is OURS- we are BEING ASSIMILATED by a foreign culture and language.

In my neighborhood the swimming pool is full of people who play LOUD Latino? Mexican? music all day and late into the night on weekends...and not one of them speaks a word of English. 2 years ago, the pool area had a mixed group- a variety of blacks, whites and latinos. Everyone had fun together..now there is no variety- only those who will not assimilate.

Sometimes it truly does seem as though our president is not living in the same country as the rest of us...


44 posted on 06/04/2007 6:51:32 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: don-o

I disagree with President Bush on the illegal aliens issue, but Peggy No-one has turned into a real {enter your own non printable word here}. She is becoming the next ariana puffington.


45 posted on 06/04/2007 6:54:41 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: theothercheek

You mean the BUSH that could see Putin’s soul and could see it was so GOOD ?

I’ll pass on his judgement of people’s souls.


46 posted on 06/04/2007 6:58:08 AM PDT by TaxxMann (Can't put a dollar sign on citizenship - oh wait, they just did !)
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To: Joe Brower

Yup. You’d think he would have figured out that we aren’t stupid after the Harriet Myers debacle.


47 posted on 06/04/2007 7:01:08 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: theothercheek; All
But holding out for an imaginary ideal of ideological purity is not the answer. And allowing Hillary Clinton to capture the White House by staying home on Election Day is not an option.

This neatly states the dilemma we face if we choose to deal with Republican lack of backbone by sitting on our hands in the next election. The problem is how to instill some spine in our representatives without simultaneously getting something far worse. We don't want to bite our noses to spite our faces. The only effective answer I've come up with is a contribution strike against the RNC, the Republican Congressional Committee, and the Republican Senatorial Committee. As Lyndon Johnson said, "Money is the mother's milk of politics." If we cut them off NOW AND DECISIVELY, tell them exactly why we're doing it, and what they can do to get us to turn the money flow back on, then we have a good chance of defeating this immigration monstrosity and doing something about other things. The beauty of this approach is it causes immense initial pain that's likely to get attention and compliance, while avoiding permanent injury. Nothing else shows any genuine hope of being really effective.

48 posted on 06/04/2007 7:01:34 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Diogenesis

Yup. He’s lost me, that’s for sure.


49 posted on 06/04/2007 7:02:28 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: Flavius

Good luck with that.


50 posted on 06/04/2007 7:03:01 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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