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What has faith got to do with it? (Dems try to act sincere on religion)
The Washington Times ^ | June 8, 2007 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 06/08/2007 2:59:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The top three Democratic presidential candidates participated in a forum Monday on the connection between their religious faith and political positions. The unusual gathering, broadcast live by CNN, was co-hosted by Sojourners, a Christian social justice network. The Rev. Jim Wallis, editor-in-chief of Sojourners magazine, and an organizer of the forum, has been telling Democrats not to cede religion to Republicans. He has spoken at several Democratic Party retreats, teaching Democrats how to speak about faith. Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois mentioned faith in a generic way, baptizing their liberal politics and suggesting God favors their positions more than those of the Republicans'. Republicans behave similarly, but they have been at it longer and perform better on the religious stage than Democrats. One shouldn't expect politicians to be theologians, but if they are going to talk about their faith publicly, more depth should be required. Mr. Obama said, "I am my brother's keeper." The reference is to Genesis 4:9. Cain has just murdered his brother, Abel, and God asks Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" Cain responds with a lie: "I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?" Mr. Obama is applying that verse to government, which liberals often see as Godlike in its distribution of welfare payments and other goodies. Mrs. Clinton said her faith sustained her during Bill's extramarital affairs (a nod to the numerous biblical injunctions against adultery and infidelity). She also linked her faith to health care and in a twist on Psalm 139 and other verses that teach God knew us even while we were being formed in our mother's womb, repeated Bill's 1992 campaign pledge to make abortion "safe, legal and rare."

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KEYWORDS: calthomas; christianleft; commies; election2008; electionpresident; elections; frauds; howtostealanelection; liberalbigots; lyingliars; newage; phonies; rats; religion; religiousleft; wolvessheepsclothing
Cal hits the nail on the head.
1 posted on 06/08/2007 2:59:52 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The top three Democratic presidential candidates participated in a forum Monday on the connection between their religious faith and political positions. The unusual gathering, broadcast live by CNN...

So the Dems AND CNN are no longer laughing at the religious voters, and are trying to suck up to those they've long considered lunatics and fools.

2 posted on 06/08/2007 3:04:15 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ive seen this clown Wallis on TV.

His “faith” is warmed-over socialism.


3 posted on 06/08/2007 3:12:44 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Darkwolf377
So the Dems AND CNN are no longer laughing at the religious voters, and are trying to suck up to those they've long considered lunatics and fools.

Remember, these are the same people who shun what's right, and who do not want to be held accountable for their actions. They want a purely securalist society, one in which when the country was form it's founders were TOTALLY against because they knew it could not work!

See, when you acknowledge a "Creator" in your founding and suddenly try to remove that "Creator" from the foundation, the building will crumble.

4 posted on 06/08/2007 3:15:33 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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5 posted on 06/08/2007 3:18:58 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The only reason Democrats are interesting in faith is because it helps them to determine which oven to put you in.
6 posted on 06/08/2007 3:22:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should encourage them to having a stronger faith in God. It is the tendency to trust in ourselves more than God that in the past causes us to build great towers, pyramids, roads etc as a testimony of our strength.

Today, those with little faith want to build great social programs that rely on our strength instead of God.

We should encourage these folks to truly discover that God is in control and that God will provide and that our efforts to “be our brothers keeper” will always fail because it is God who is our and our brothers keeper.


7 posted on 06/08/2007 3:34:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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8 posted on 06/08/2007 3:35:00 AM PDT by Beth528
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9 posted on 06/08/2007 3:35:04 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some dems profess to have a religion. Some even profess to be Catholic. They use it to their advantage, but don’t let it interfere with their ultimate goal: turning the USA into a materialistic marxist paradise.


10 posted on 06/08/2007 3:46:51 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

WHAT a fantastic graphic!!! hahahahaha. Where’d you get that?


11 posted on 06/08/2007 3:47:56 AM PDT by dellbabe68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Speaking of Cal’s head, I hardly recognized him the other day.

He has dyed his hair and looks like maybe cosmetic surgery.

12 posted on 06/08/2007 4:23:19 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This was the first thing that alerted me to the evil of Bill Clinton. I listened to his acceptance speech at the 1992 Democratic Convention and he quoted scripture several times during the speech. What frightened me is that he twisted the meaning of the passages so that they conformed to the point he was trying to make. Many people with less knowledge of the Bible would not have noticed, but I remember thinking at the time that this was a very dangerous man because he had the audacity to remake the Word of God “in his own image”.

I did not put myself through the torture of watching the religious forum at which the Democratic candidates for POTUS had an opportunity to speak, but I heard some of the better audio clips on Rush the other day. IMO, you do not have to be afraid that someone who really knows the Bible and has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ will be fooled by these “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. Many of their words ring hollow and their depth of knowledge is very shallow. I do not mean to question whether they have a belief in God, but I do wonder how much time they actually devote to their relationship with Him.

13 posted on 06/08/2007 4:41:39 AM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She (Hillary) added, commendably, "The pro-life and pro-choice communities have not really been willing to find a common ground, and that is a great failing on all our parts." She offered to work with religious leaders to bring the two sides together.

There IS no "common ground" on abortion and embryonic stem cell research - one side is right and the other is wrong. This "bringing together of both sides" is empty rhetoric on her part.

14 posted on 06/08/2007 4:47:05 AM PDT by Caravaggio
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think we already know what the Dems
think of religion, the Bible and the law.

15 posted on 06/08/2007 4:52:11 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Caravaggio
There IS no "common ground" on abortion and embryonic stem cell research - one side is right and the other is wrong. This "bringing together of both sides" is empty rhetoric on her part.

This is a great point and one that democrats seem to forget. It reminds me of a comment Rush had on the radio the other day. I'm going by memory, but he reminded us that: "They [democrats] are courting you, but don't forget that any other time they would ridicule you."

16 posted on 06/08/2007 5:43:30 AM PDT by Crolis (Time to regroup, fellow conservatives!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you can learn to fake sincerity, you have it made.


17 posted on 06/08/2007 5:47:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: oh8eleven

He carried a bigger Bible after Monica


18 posted on 06/08/2007 5:48:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: oh8eleven

For 8 years, the bookmark in The Bible never changed.

19 posted on 06/08/2007 5:50:09 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This prevailing presumption that only liberals care about the poor is a blatant lie, one that's dangerous to leave unchallenged. Conservatives also care about the poor, enough to encourage their prosperity through solid educational opportunities through school vouchers, to discourage governmental handouts which tend to break apart families and to offer true prison reform through faith based initiatives. We also value every life, rich or poor, through our stances against abortion and euthanasia.

True Christianity is good for the poor. This politicized social gospel orchestrated to keep the poor poor has nothing to do with Christianity.
20 posted on 06/08/2007 5:50:18 AM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We don't worship the same god as Democrats:


21 posted on 06/08/2007 5:59:50 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: oh8eleven

Don’t forget that Bill Clinton engaged in adulterous sodomy with Monica Lewinskey on Easter Sunday. It was just another day to him.

He also engaged in the act with her while he was deploying troops on the phone.

People consider “the act” but not the situations.


22 posted on 06/08/2007 6:02:25 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: weegee

Thanks - I really was trying to forget.


23 posted on 06/08/2007 7:07:02 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: srmorton

What frightened me is that he twisted the meaning of the passages so that they conformed to the point he was trying to make

To quote Mark Twain: “They have the words, but not the music.”


24 posted on 06/08/2007 7:46:58 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unbelievable that the Dems need a seminar on how to connect with the American public religiously. I hope they had a course on conspicuously carrying a huge Bible to and from church. Oh, making sure to sing in a choir and be front row and center, and televised.


25 posted on 06/08/2007 8:28:44 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Darkwolf377; GOPPachyderm; LibertyinChrist; Inclines to the Right; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; ...

I’m listening to Rush talking about this (he talked about it on Tuesday). He’s right, they’re libs trying to call themselves Christian.


26 posted on 06/09/2007 8:21:38 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Yankee

I only recently discovered him — man what a piece of work. I will take every opportunity I can to put out the information that Jim Wallis, Glenn Palmberg (of the Evangelical Covenant Church), and Tony Campolo are all on the board of Call to Renewal, another social justice group that broke off Sojourners (I think due to logistical reasons).

I don’t understand how the E Covenant conservatives can’t see what is going on in their denomination... the E Cov is very adept at double-speak which makes people at opposite ends of the spectrum believe they’re in agreement with them. It’s like beauraucrats and politicians that never really give a straight answer to a question. It’s amazing. I fell for it (even while being very conservative) for 6 years, never quite able to figure out what was wrong.


27 posted on 06/09/2007 8:25:35 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Raycpa

Do you really think they haven’t already ‘discovered’ God and REJECTED his truth?

Jesus wasn’t about ‘encouraging’ people to repent and believe. HE commanded it. You either obey, or you didn’t.


28 posted on 06/09/2007 8:27:04 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged; TommyDale; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Inclines to the Right; Sue Perkick; ..
They use it to their advantage, but don’t let it interfere with their ultimate goal: turning the USA into a materialistic marxist paradise.

I feel a song coming on:

It's A Personal Thing (by Steve Taylor)
(The press conference):
It's a personal thing, and I find it odd
you would question my believing in a personal God
I'm devout, I'm sincere, ask my mother if you doubt it
I'm religious, but I'd rather not get radical about it
the old-time believers had timidity and grace
but this new generation doesn't know its place
you're entitled to believe, but the latest Gallup Poll
says you mustn't interfere--that's the government's role

chorus:
'Cause when you throw your hat in the bullring
before you know it's a personal thing
and when he comes to the day of reckoning
he's gonna tell 'em, "uh, uh, uh, it's a personal thing"

(The nomination speech):
It's a personal thing, and I boldly state
that my views on morality will have to wait
'til my personal life's out of the public eye
and the limitations statue can protect my alibi
I'm devout, I'm sincere, and I'm proud to say
that it's had exactly no effect on who I am today
I believe for the benefit for all manking
in the total separation of church and mind

(chorus)

(The victory night):
It's a personal thing, and I plainly speak
(from the same code of ethics that I held last week)
as I promised if elected this election day
with the help of God almight...I'll do it my way

(chorus)

(We love polemic songwriter Steve Taylor!)

29 posted on 06/09/2007 8:35:53 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: weegee

Ugh... it was Easter Sunday??? I didn’t realize that. yuck.


30 posted on 06/09/2007 8:37:02 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: AppyPappy
He carried a bigger Bible after Monica

lol

I'd like to know if he actually reads it, and what translation it is.

31 posted on 06/09/2007 8:37:49 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Many on the left use their religion as a check mark on a resume.......for public office, it's the voters who are fool enough to believe them that are at fault.

"by their fruits we shall know them."

32 posted on 06/09/2007 8:45:33 PM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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