Skip to comments.What has faith got to do with it? (Dems try to act sincere on religion)
Posted on 06/08/2007 2:59:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The top three Democratic presidential candidates participated in a forum Monday on the connection between their religious faith and political positions. The unusual gathering, broadcast live by CNN, was co-hosted by Sojourners, a Christian social justice network. The Rev. Jim Wallis, editor-in-chief of Sojourners magazine, and an organizer of the forum, has been telling Democrats not to cede religion to Republicans. He has spoken at several Democratic Party retreats, teaching Democrats how to speak about faith. Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois mentioned faith in a generic way, baptizing their liberal politics and suggesting God favors their positions more than those of the Republicans'. Republicans behave similarly, but they have been at it longer and perform better on the religious stage than Democrats. One shouldn't expect politicians to be theologians, but if they are going to talk about their faith publicly, more depth should be required. Mr. Obama said, "I am my brother's keeper." The reference is to Genesis 4:9. Cain has just murdered his brother, Abel, and God asks Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" Cain responds with a lie: "I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?" Mr. Obama is applying that verse to government, which liberals often see as Godlike in its distribution of welfare payments and other goodies. Mrs. Clinton said her faith sustained her during Bill's extramarital affairs (a nod to the numerous biblical injunctions against adultery and infidelity). She also linked her faith to health care and in a twist on Psalm 139 and other verses that teach God knew us even while we were being formed in our mother's womb, repeated Bill's 1992 campaign pledge to make abortion "safe, legal and rare."
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So the Dems AND CNN are no longer laughing at the religious voters, and are trying to suck up to those they've long considered lunatics and fools.
Ive seen this clown Wallis on TV.
His “faith” is warmed-over socialism.
Remember, these are the same people who shun what's right, and who do not want to be held accountable for their actions. They want a purely securalist society, one in which when the country was form it's founders were TOTALLY against because they knew it could not work!
See, when you acknowledge a "Creator" in your founding and suddenly try to remove that "Creator" from the foundation, the building will crumble.
We should encourage them to having a stronger faith in God. It is the tendency to trust in ourselves more than God that in the past causes us to build great towers, pyramids, roads etc as a testimony of our strength.
Today, those with little faith want to build great social programs that rely on our strength instead of God.
We should encourage these folks to truly discover that God is in control and that God will provide and that our efforts to “be our brothers keeper” will always fail because it is God who is our and our brothers keeper.
Some dems profess to have a religion. Some even profess to be Catholic. They use it to their advantage, but don’t let it interfere with their ultimate goal: turning the USA into a materialistic marxist paradise.
WHAT a fantastic graphic!!! hahahahaha. Where’d you get that?
He has dyed his hair and looks like maybe cosmetic surgery.
I did not put myself through the torture of watching the religious forum at which the Democratic candidates for POTUS had an opportunity to speak, but I heard some of the better audio clips on Rush the other day. IMO, you do not have to be afraid that someone who really knows the Bible and has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ will be fooled by these “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. Many of their words ring hollow and their depth of knowledge is very shallow. I do not mean to question whether they have a belief in God, but I do wonder how much time they actually devote to their relationship with Him.
There IS no "common ground" on abortion and embryonic stem cell research - one side is right and the other is wrong. This "bringing together of both sides" is empty rhetoric on her part.
This is a great point and one that democrats seem to forget. It reminds me of a comment Rush had on the radio the other day. I'm going by memory, but he reminded us that: "They [democrats] are courting you, but don't forget that any other time they would ridicule you."
When you can learn to fake sincerity, you have it made.
He carried a bigger Bible after Monica
For 8 years, the bookmark in The Bible never changed.
Don’t forget that Bill Clinton engaged in adulterous sodomy with Monica Lewinskey on Easter Sunday. It was just another day to him.
He also engaged in the act with her while he was deploying troops on the phone.
People consider “the act” but not the situations.
Thanks - I really was trying to forget.
What frightened me is that he twisted the meaning of the passages so that they conformed to the point he was trying to make
To quote Mark Twain: “They have the words, but not the music.”
Unbelievable that the Dems need a seminar on how to connect with the American public religiously. I hope they had a course on conspicuously carrying a huge Bible to and from church. Oh, making sure to sing in a choir and be front row and center, and televised.
I’m listening to Rush talking about this (he talked about it on Tuesday). He’s right, they’re libs trying to call themselves Christian.
I only recently discovered him — man what a piece of work. I will take every opportunity I can to put out the information that Jim Wallis, Glenn Palmberg (of the Evangelical Covenant Church), and Tony Campolo are all on the board of Call to Renewal, another social justice group that broke off Sojourners (I think due to logistical reasons).
I don’t understand how the E Covenant conservatives can’t see what is going on in their denomination... the E Cov is very adept at double-speak which makes people at opposite ends of the spectrum believe they’re in agreement with them. It’s like beauraucrats and politicians that never really give a straight answer to a question. It’s amazing. I fell for it (even while being very conservative) for 6 years, never quite able to figure out what was wrong.
Do you really think they haven’t already ‘discovered’ God and REJECTED his truth?
Jesus wasn’t about ‘encouraging’ people to repent and believe. HE commanded it. You either obey, or you didn’t.
I feel a song coming on:
It's A Personal Thing (by Steve Taylor)
(The press conference):
It's a personal thing, and I find it odd
you would question my believing in a personal God
I'm devout, I'm sincere, ask my mother if you doubt it
I'm religious, but I'd rather not get radical about it
the old-time believers had timidity and grace
but this new generation doesn't know its place
you're entitled to believe, but the latest Gallup Poll
says you mustn't interfere--that's the government's role
'Cause when you throw your hat in the bullring
before you know it's a personal thing
and when he comes to the day of reckoning
he's gonna tell 'em, "uh, uh, uh, it's a personal thing"
(The nomination speech):
It's a personal thing, and I boldly state
that my views on morality will have to wait
'til my personal life's out of the public eye
and the limitations statue can protect my alibi
I'm devout, I'm sincere, and I'm proud to say
that it's had exactly no effect on who I am today
I believe for the benefit for all manking
in the total separation of church and mind
(The victory night):
It's a personal thing, and I plainly speak
(from the same code of ethics that I held last week)
as I promised if elected this election day
with the help of God almight...I'll do it my way
(We love polemic songwriter Steve Taylor!)
Ugh... it was Easter Sunday??? I didn’t realize that. yuck.
I'd like to know if he actually reads it, and what translation it is.
"by their fruits we shall know them."