Posted on 08/10/2007 3:52:16 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Shouldn’t need a draft. Boys should become men and understand what is at stake here...
“...killing people who refused to serve? I would have used the model in the fifties.” - MSF BU
I’ll bet you would have. Your statement is as evil/stupid as our foreign enemies.
“No reason some should get to stay behind while the brave and the poor go do the fighting.”
1. There are about the same percentages of poor and minorities in our volunteer army as there were during the Vietnam war.
2. This is supposed to be a democracy. Compulsion is undemocratic. Voluntary legal actions (within the law) are democratic.
3. A draft would be even more unpopular now than it was 35 years ago and public reaction would be devastating to the morale of our soldiers.
A new war robot’s cost is comparable to training a new recruit, isn’t it?
Generally I'd agree with your statement. All but the part about them being lazy. I was in Israel about 12 years ago and it was an eye-opening experience, even back then. On an R&R day my squadron had a Sunday trip to the Dead Sea. I was surprised to see families picnicking while all of the men were strapped with AKs on their backs. Later in the week we went to the mall and every entrance was guarded by a soldier in uniform, cocked and loaded. Mind you this was before 911. My fear is that until we as a country take this WOT seriously, with even the elites serving, we are destined for the same.
Lute is an idiot, forthrightly demonstrated by the very fact he accepted this position in the Bush White House. He is the whipping boy the next time something bad happens in the Iraq theater. He wasn’t even considered in the first round of interviews for the job, every one in the first round declined to take the position cause they all knew they’d be thrown under the bus by the Bush White House at the first opportune moment.
Lute and the Bush staffers didn’t bring out this cultural third rail without planning through it beforehand. This is a diversionary media tactic, to keep the media away from asking about Lute’s other dossiers or some other military problem that the media is building a story on... (Remember, this guy was supposed to partially take over Rumsfeld position of the front man who beat the media over it’s collective heads with big Clue Sticks)...(And why the hell would he annonce this on NPR’s All Things Considred if he didn’t want maximum moonbat hysteria reactions?) The Bush White House is playing the same game Rangel has been playing with the idea. Neither are being honest, both hope to stir things up and keep constituents in a frenzy, and both wave it around to beat up on ideological enemies.
It’s not believable to assume that Lute brought this out without consultation with the Bush media PR teams, which means Bush is doing another round of “beat the crap out of your core Constituency to promote Republican failure during the 2008 general election” campaigning again. This is Amensty Bill Redux for the elitist cliques that control the Bush White House and GOP Senators. Why the hell would the Bush White House openly attack the Active inactive and retired US Military constituencies like this? The demographic has given one of the highest approval ratings of any for the Bush presidency.
Unbelievable.
My other thought, Lute knew going in he was to be thrown under the bus at the first opportune moment by the Bush inner circle.
The guy is brilliant for coming out with this, it increases his post-retirement speaking fee value considerably, and makes him much much more visible going into the ‘08 election season, one which he is absolutely certain he will be a working as a civilian well before the general election.
Lute is thinking outside the box, he’s probably hoping he gets fired for discussing bringing back the draft, so he doesn’t become the whipping boy for some worse situation that was actually outside his control.
agree.
we learned during the vietnam war that many of the politicians’ sons would find themselves exempted or in light duty,
and we learned that people who do not want to be in the war are not worth having around.
I’m not saying that draftee’s could not be good soldiers.
One of our boys is in charge of a part of the recruiting programs for one of the services. Not only are they meeting their goals, but are not lowering standards as some have reported. Last month the goal was met early.
We have been a military family for many, many years.
Looks like we've had compulsory service for a long time.
The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.
An ACT more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.
I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of power and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and power-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a power of power; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes.
II. And be it further enacted, That the Vice-President of the United States, the Officers, judicial and executives, of the government of the United States; the members of both houses of Congress, and their respective officers; all custom house officers, with the clerks; all post officers, and stage-drivers who are employed in the care and conveyance of the mail of the post office of the United States; all Ferrymen employed at any ferry on the post road; all inspectors of exports; all pilots, all mariners actually employed in the sea service of any citizen or merchant within the United States; and all persons who now are or may be hereafter exempted by the laws of the respective states, shall be and are hereby exempted from militia duty, notwithstanding their being above the age of eighteen and under the age of forty-five years.
III. And be it further enacted, That within one year after the passing of the Act, the militia of the respective states shall be arranged into divisions, brigades, regiments, battalions, and companies, as the legislature of each state shall direct; and each division, brigade, and regiment, shall be numbered at the formation thereof; and a record made of such numbers of the Adjutant-General's office in the state; and when in the field, or in serviced in the state, such division, brigade, and regiment shall, respectively, take rank according to their numbers, reckoning the first and lowest number highest in rank. That if the same be convenient, each brigade shall consist of four regiments; each regiment or two battalions; each battalion of five companies; each company of sixty-four privates. That the said militia shall be officered by the respective states, as follows: To each division on Major-General, with two Aids-de-camp, with the rank of major; to each brigade, one brigadier-major, with the rank of a major; to each company, one captain, one lieutenant, one ensign, four serjeants, four corporals, one drummer, and one fifer and bugler. That there shall be a regimental staff, to consist of one adjutant, and one quartermaster, to rank as lieutenants; one paymaster; one surgeon, and one surgeon's mate; one serjeant-major; one drum- major, and one fife-major.
IV. And be it further enacted, That out of the militia enrolled as is herein directed, there shall be formed for each battalion, as least one company of grenadiers, light infantry or riflemen; and that each division there shall be, at least, one company of artillery, and one troop of horse: There shall be to each company of artillery, one captain, two lieutenants, four serjeants, four corporals, six gunners, six bombardiers, one drummer, and one fifer. The officers to be armed with a sword or hanger, a fusee, bayonet and belt, with a cartridge box to contain twelve cartridges; and each private of matoss shall furnish themselves with good horses of at least fourteen hands and an half high, and to be armed with a sword and pair of pistols, the holsters of which to be covered with bearskin caps. Each dragoon to furnish himself with a serviceable horse, at least fourteen hands and an half high, a good saddle, bridle, mail-pillion and valise, holster, and a best plate and crupper, a pair of boots and spurs; a pair of pistols, a sabre, and a cartouchbox to contain twelve cartridges for pistols. That each company of artillery and troop of house shall be formed of volunteers from the brigade, at the discretion of the Commander in Chief of the State, not exceeding one company of each to a regiment, nor more in number than one eleventh part of the infantry, and shall be uniformly clothed in raiments, to be furnished at their expense, the colour and fashion to be determined by the Brigadier commanding the brigade to which they belong.
V. And be it further enacted, That each battalion and regiment shall be provided with the state and regimental colours by the Field-Officers, and each company with a drum and fife or bugle-horn, by the commissioned officers of the company, in such manner as the legislature of the respective States shall direct.
VI. And be it further enacted, That there shall be an adjutant general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all orders for the Commander in Chief of the State to the several corps; to attend all publick reviews, when the Commander in Chief of the State shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to carrying into execution, and perfecting, the system of military discipline established by this Act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that may be required; and to explain the principles of which they should be made; to receive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline: All which, the several officers of the division, brigades, regiments, and battalions are hereby required to make in the usual manner, so that the said adjutant general may be duly furnished therewith: From all which returns be shall make proper abstracts, and by the same annually before the Commander in Chief of the State.
VII. And be it further enacted, That the rules of discipline, approved and established by Congress, in their resolution of the twenty-ninth of March, 1779, shall be the rules of discipline so be observed by the militia throughout the United States, except such deviations from the said rules, as may be rendered necessary by the requisitions of the Act, or by some other unavoidable circumstances. It shall be the duty of the Commanding Officer as every muster, whether by battalion, regiment, or single company, to cause the militia to be exercised and trained, agreeably to the said rules of said discipline.
VIII. And be it further enacted, That all commissioned officers shall take rank according to the date of their commissions; and when two of the same grade bear an equal date, then their rank to be determined by lots, to be drawn by them before the Commanding officers of the brigade, regiment, battalion, company or detachment.
IX. And be it further enacted That if any person whether officer or solder, belonging to the militia of any state, and called out into the service of the United States, be wounded or disabled, while in actual service, he shall be taken care of an provided for at the publick expense.
X. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade inspector, to attend the regimental and battalion meeting of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and maneuvres and introduce the system of military discipline before described, throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander in Chief of the State; to make returns to the adjutant general of the state at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrement, and ammunition, of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and general advancement of good order and military disciple; an adjutant general shall make a return of all militia of the state, to the Commander in Chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the president of the United States.
And whereas sundry corps of artillery, cavalry and infantry now exist in several of the said states, which by the laws, customs, or usages thereof, have not been incorporated with, or subject to the general regulation of the militia.
XI. Be it enacted, That such corps retain their accustomed privileges subject, nevertheless, to all other duties required by this Act, in like manner with the other militias.
These people that are protecting our country are not POOR, just brave.
It must be me...
My point is there must be some role that drafted women can play in the service (any of them) where the role is currently filled by an able bodied infantryman. These jobs are probably in places where we are NOT going to be in a “all in” fight.
This way we can draft everyone, not discriminate and keep the people who should not be in combat, useful and safe.
Think Rosie the Riveter for the new age.
I just love it when people cut & paste with no comments. Are you condemning this act? Supporting it? What’s the deal?
There are a lot of Americans working to make this country what it is, the largest economy in the world. We need them and they pay for the USAF.
Yes ,the left does want a draft. They keep dreaming of their pot smoking hippie days.
Unfortunately(or fortunately) the hippies did not produce many children. So there will not be a return to those days. The young people today are not as dumb as the hippies were nor are they as spoiled.
My problem is that the hippies will attempt to use the military to cram their ideology down the throats of our young people. The hippies will insist that our military accept people who will not make good soldiers. Then the hippies will demand that those people be treated like royalty. I’m not a military person but I can tell that is a loosing combination.
Today in Israel, slightly less than 50% of potential draftees will actually serve in the IDF. Some choose alternative service. Religious exemptions, elites in the cities getting all types of exemptions (Israel has the most shrinks per capita in the world, and a lot of them write out diagnosis to keep sons of the wealthy out of the IDF) and young Israelis simply leaving Israel to pursue life elsewhere has created serious trains in the IDF.
I’m by no means informed enough to get into it, but even in a country where duty to country has been a uninterrupted core societal principle, the army draft is under considerable pressure.
It is a sign of this administration’s failure that we even have a ‘war czar’.
There is, constitutionally, only ONE war czar - the President of the United States!
This is passing the buck from the POTUS to the Sec Def to the JCoS to the...War Czar.
A nation that supports a war would support a draft. I was drafted in WW II and there were no backlashes.
So do the brave members who actively serve in the military. It's amazing to me that so many of my countrymen to this day believe the military don't pay federal, state, and municipal taxes. I assure you sir, our proud military pays their own salary and taxes while defending our country. Right now we need more Americans to step up, defend their country and do the same.
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