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Don’t Bomb, Bomb Iran - For now, we should avoid a smoking Tehran.
National Review Online ^ | August 31, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/01/2007 12:33:03 AM PDT by neverdem







Don’t Bomb, Bomb Iran
For now, we should avoid a smoking Tehran.

By Victor Davis Hanson

There’s been ever more talk on Iran. President Bush — worried about both Americans being killed by Iranian mines in Iraq, and Tehran’s progress toward uranium enrichment — is ratcheting up the rhetoric.

But so mirabile dictu is French president Nicolas Sarkozy. He suddenly, in the eleventh hour of the crisis, reminds the world that bombing Iran is still very possible (and he doesn’t specify by whom):

An Iran with nuclear arms is, to me, unacceptable, and I am weighing my words…And I underline France's full determination to support the alliance's current policy of increasing sanctions, but also to remain open if Iran makes the choice to fulfill its obligations. This policy is the only one that will allow us to escape an alternative, which I consider to be catastrophic. Which alternative? An Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran.

Note especially the French president’s reference to “us” and the logic of his syllogism: Iran can’t and won’t have the bomb; one catastrophic remedy is bombing; therefore someone must increase sanctions or someone will bomb Iran, as the least bad of two awful alternatives. He can say all that — without the global hatred that George Bush would incur had he said half that.

Mohamed Ahmadinejad is still ranting, but with more a sense of false braggadocio than ever: Iran will inherit the mantel of Middle East hegemony; America is running from Iraq; our policies have already failed in Iraq — blah, blah, blah.

So what exactly is the status of the crisis?

Recall the current U.S. policy — which, I think, so far remains bipartisan except for a few unhinged calls for full diplomatic engagement with this murderous regime:

Show the world that Americans tried the European route with the EU3 (Britain, France, German) negotiations that have so far failed; let the U.N. jawbone (so what?); help Iranian dissidents and democratic reformers; keep trying to stabilize Iran’s reforming neighbors in Afghanistan and Iraq; persuade Russia, China, and India to cooperate in ostracizing Iran; galvanize global financial institutions to isolate the Iranian economy; apprise the world that an Iranian nuclear device is unacceptable — and hope all that pressure works before the theocrats have enough enriched uranium to get a bomb and, as Persian nationalists, win back public approval inside Iran.

The degree to which Iran has neared completion of bomb-making will determine to what degree all of the above has hurt, helped, or had no effect.



But there are subtle indications that U.S. policy is slowly working, and that a strike now on Iran would be a grave mistake, in every strategic and political sense — not to mention the humanitarian one of harming a populace that may well soon prove to be the most pro-Western in the region.

It is surreal, after all, that a French president would confess that Iran getting the bomb is “unacceptable.” Sarkozy seems to recognize that a nuclear Iran won’t be happy with bullying neighboring oil producers and carving up Iraq, but will be soon blackmailing Europe on issues from trade to war.

So finally a French leader seems to allow that if the Europeans would just cease all financial relations with Teheran, freeze their assets, and stop sending them everything from sniper rifles to machine tools, then the crippled regime would start to stagger even more. And because France has been the most obstructionist in the past to U.S. efforts in the Middle East, its mere rhetoric is nearly beyond belief.

We have no leverage with China and Russia, of course. Their general foreign policy is reactive, based on the principle that anything that disturbs the United States and diverts its attention is de facto a positive development — excepting perhaps having another nuclear nut in Asia to go alongside North Korea and Pakistan.

Still, the recent humiliating disclosures about China’s 19th-century “Jungle”-type industry, and the growing anger at what Mr. Sarkozy called Russia’s “brutality,” show that neither country has earned much respect, and that either could pull in its horns a bit concerning Iran, with deft Western diplomacy.

There are other symptoms of progress. The Sadr brigades have purportedly announced a cessation of military operations — no doubt, because they are losing the sectarian kill-fest. But it may also be because Shiite animosity against them is growing. Perhaps too they are learning that Iran’s interest in Iraq is not always theirs, but simply fomenting violence of any kind that persuades the U.S. military to leave, including arming their enemies, both Sunni and Shiite.

Every Shiite gangster should note that Iran’s envisioned future is not one of coequal mafias, but rather a mere concession in the south that takes orders from the real bosses in the north. The jury is still out on whether it is true that Arab Shiites are Shiites first, and Arabs second or third. But at some point someone will start to figure out that Iran also gave arms and aid to al Qaeda to kill Iraqi Shiites.

No one knows quite what is going on in Iraq. Yet news that the surge is working and that violence is declining is also bad news for Tehran. Its worst nightmare is that Sunni tribes are no longer aping al Qaeda, but helping Americans. That will only turn attention back to Iranian-back killers. Meanwhile Sunni masters in the region — arming themselves to the teeth — are reminding their kindred Iraqi tribesmen that Iran, not America, is the real enemy of the Arab world.

And what is our stance? The United States calmly continues to arrest and “detain” Iranian agents inside Iraq — acts, of course, that enrage a kidnapping Iran.
Apparently the only thing galling to an Iranian hostage-taker is the very idea that someone else would try such a thing openly and publicly and within the bounds of the rules of war. And by labeling the Revolutionary Guards Corps a terrorist organization, the United States is finally institutionalizing what the world already knows: Iran is a criminal state whose government and terrorists are one and the same.

There is also the ever-present, ever-unreliable news out of Iran itself of gas rationing, strikes, and a deteriorating economy. If all that good for us/bad for them news is true — with oil prices still sky-high, and sanctions as yet weak and porous — then it suggests that should financial ostracism be stepped up and become really punitive, and oil recede in price by even a few dollars, the regime would face widespread disobedience.

It would help things if Western elites started seeing Iran as Darfur. Teheran has butchered thousands of its own, kills the innocent in Iraq, and has stated that it would like to see the equivalent of a second Holocaust — all surely some grounds for at least a dig from Bono or a frown from Brad Pitt.

It doesn’t help Ahmadinejad that his supposedly successful, rocket-propelled proxy war against Israel a year ago, not only was not followed up by a round-two jihad this season, but seems on careful autopsy to have been a costly blunder that nearly destroyed the infrastructure of his southern Lebanese allies. No Iranian in gas line wants to learn that his scrimping went to pay for rebuilding the atomized apartment buildings of Arabs in Lebanon.

The oddest development of all is Iranian outrage at the U.N. — a sentiment almost impossible to entertain for any such corrupt, anti-American regime. But Iran’s chief delegate to the International Atomic Energy Agency, Ali-Ashgar Soltanieh, keeps screaming about international monitoring. He threatens this and that, which can only mean Iran fears the global humiliation of having inspectors expose the fact that puritanical, live-by-Koran clerics are serial liars.

Of course, there is no reason yet to believe that Iran’s megalomaniac plans are stalled. There is much less reason to think that the world is galvanizing fast or furiously enough against the loony Ahmadinejad. But there are some positive signs that Iran is not nearly as strong as it thinks, and the general winds of the world are blowing against it, ever so slowly — and thanks in large part to careful U.S. policy and the innately self-destructive tendencies of Iranian theocracy.

Note that the loud Democratic 2008 candidates have ceased calling for direct talks with Iran (the inexperienced Obama, the exception proving the rule). They can offer no policy other than the present one. For all the dangers, the spectacle of Ahmadinejad has been a great gift to the Western world — loudly embodying, in its raw, pure form, the evil which Iranian theocracy inevitably produces.

So we should continue with the present path — and not bomb or have surrogates bomb Iran. That option is still down the road. For as long as it is possible, the best-case scenario is not a smoking Iran, but a humiliated theocracy that slowly implodes before the world, displaying in their disgrace what the mullahs did to themselves — and perhaps a small reminder of those helpful shoves from us.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.



TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: sauropod

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21 posted on 09/01/2007 9:35:28 AM PDT by sauropod (You can’t spell crap without the AP in it.)
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To: neverdem

I’ll take the VD Hanson/Michael Ledeen tack on this...in other words, let’s hold the nukes as a last resort for now, but let’s see what we can do to make the regime’s implosion go a little faster, please.


22 posted on 09/01/2007 9:43:58 AM PDT by RichInOC (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad thinks he's driving history, but he's actually strapped in the carrier seat.)
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To: neverdem
"That option is still down the road."

Yes, but why give the Iranians a chance to smuggle nukes into this country? If we can't control what they are carrying into Iraq, there is no reason to think that they will find our border with Mexico impenetrable. For that matter, the Canadians have created a Muslim magnet (oil fields, lax immigration) and we don't defend that border. Just to be on the safe side, we should eliminate the Iranians. That would be far more effective than any "humiliation" of the mullahs. There is nothing hypothetical about the Carthaginian solution.
23 posted on 09/01/2007 9:54:26 AM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: neverdem

I see some comments about what would happen if we did “fail” in Iraq...

Well we know the big obvious about that one...

But what is really behind that???

If we cut and run and Iraq and all the effort and sacrifice in lives and trying to build some stability in the region would come to a crashing and tragic halt...The new Iraqi government has proven time and time again that they are incapable, without us totally committed to getting it done for them...

So who really wins if we cut and run??? I would say a big winner would be Iran...

They would no longer be effectively stopped in expanding their influence and territorial desires...This is all a very obvious future, if the political climate over here changes that favors this outcome...

It would be safe to say that all those that opposeus taking care of the problem in the Middle East all these long years, woudl benefit, because of the vacumm of influence, both politically and economically benefit those who want to get in there aqnd sleep with the tyrant(s)...

This was true before we got into Iraq and Afganistan, and it will be true after we leave before the job is done...

And its going to take a lot more that OBL’s head on a stick, to win...


24 posted on 09/01/2007 11:30:19 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: RichInOC

Can you imagine if some “other” country were to tell us that if we (USA) don’t go nuclear on Iran, they will...

That idea came to me from a book I read last year...

It was made upon some immediacy, or emminent attack that they Iran were staging...

Actually this is a mix of stories...In the book (The Last Jihad) it was Iraq, but in real life it could be Iran...

Stay tuned I suppose...;-)

Just some stuff to add to the nightmare list I guess...


25 posted on 09/01/2007 11:36:22 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: neverdem

Herr Hanson:

You vaffle zis vay, and you vaffle zat way. You veasel round und round and avay from ze topic at hand.

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach London and the Vatican—May 16th, 2007)

Ve vait, if you like, and ve neo-cons vill get our vay even more so. Oil will go much higher for much longer after Iran has nukes. And so will the War to come.


26 posted on 09/01/2007 6:45:08 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: familyop

Thanks for the link.


27 posted on 09/01/2007 7:31:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

You’re welcome. And BTW, my silly phonics attempt was not an effort to equate German people with Nazism. Hanson’s probably more Danish, anyway, and west Germany leans against Nazism more than most others do. My commentary—crudely stereotyping—was intended to be critical of overly bland, verbose, tangential writing styles.


28 posted on 09/01/2007 7:41:12 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


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29 posted on 09/06/2007 9:16:10 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem
We have no leverage with China and Russia, of course.

Sure we do - there is just too much money to be made selling Chinese goods.

30 posted on 09/06/2007 9:31:14 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: neverdem
Of course, there is no reason yet to believe that Iran’s megalomaniac plans are stalled.

Therein lies the rub. Possession of nuclear weapons changes this equation dramatically - not necessarily to the benefit of Iran immediately inasmuch as the horror of its neighbors (including Russia and China, IMHO) will outweigh the power conferred by the possession of one or two weapons. But the ability to produce more than that shifts the equation ineluctably toward the mullahs over time.

Such programs are not always successful - the expensive failure that is the North Korean attempt should provide a warning to the Iranians who are not unaware of its details. Ahmadinejad's personal political currency is running lower by day, and he may provide a convenient scapegoat to throw to world opinion should the sanctions begin (as they already are) to bite. But the possession of nuclear weapons and credible delivery vehicles are counters in an international game that goes well beyond the megalomaniacal desires of one bearded nutcase. Their associated programs may well be slowed and opened up to limited inspection but they will continue.

There are two possible routes for remediation - first, open and complete regime change that sends the mullahs back to the mosques where they belong (and if a few of them end up dangling from lamp-posts along the way one cannot say it wasn't deserved). Second, a tactical retreat on the part of the corrupt and now fantastically wealthy theological upper class that will allow it to rot more or less quietly until the Iranian people finally pick it and toss it into the trash. That process may take years or even decades.

I am not personally inclined toward an immediate bombing because I don't think the progress of their programs is sufficient to take that drastic step - yet - and because bombing will tend to strengthen the mullahs. But it is an option that should absolutely remain open. One worry is that a possible Democratic administration will close it in an attempt at cheap posturing as "peace-loving." Cheap posturing in foreign policy is, after all, what the previous two Democratic administrations were all about. To a degree we are where be are because of that. Electing practically any Republican on the current roster will avoid that. An awful lot of eyes are going to be on the election in 2008. The stakes are very high.

31 posted on 09/06/2007 9:42:19 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Caipirabob

Iran was a true ally of the United States for many years. In my younger days, I knew many Iranians, under the Shah they were encouraged to go to the west for education and to adopt western business and cultural models.

Of all the countries in the mideast, I’m inclined to think that the greatest hope for western ideals is Iran and Lebanon.


32 posted on 09/06/2007 9:49:23 AM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: do the dhue
Ahmadinejad flies around on a Boeing 747-SP, which is an American made aircraft.

If we could figure out a way to bring him down (literally), think of how many lives might otherwise be saved overall.

33 posted on 09/06/2007 9:52:46 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Next time we sell him one, we should have the TNT built into the aircraft with a charge that detonate via a phone call.

Then all we have to do is make a phone call.


34 posted on 09/06/2007 10:53:34 AM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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