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Poll: Thompson, Clinton widen their leads in Georgia
The Savannah Morning News ^ | October 25, 2007 | Larry Peterson

Posted on 10/28/2007 6:32:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: LS
I really think that with the competitiveness in the early states, that Fred must with SC in a landslide. That is not as important for the others, because they have multiple strong states either right before, or right after to help them out.

Mitt will have the Iowa, NH momentum. Rudy should have a strong NH, Florida win, and other big states to follow.

Even a solid middle of the road win in all of the states is good for McCain because he will have the staying power, so Fred must have a very, very strong showing in SC to keep it going.

Am I right that Georgia also splits their delegates more than others? Or am I thinking of one of the other southern states that Fred is hanging his hat on.

21 posted on 10/28/2007 7:25:44 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Veronica Mars
"I appreciate your optimism, but if Sen. Thompson loses in Iowa and then in New Hampshire, he essentially MUST win South Carolina."

Uh, that goes for your candidate Jiuliette as well, as no one has ever lost SC's primary and gone on to win the GOP nomination for president.

22 posted on 10/28/2007 7:30:30 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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Man, there are some genuine non-historians on this thread...

1980 IOWA - GHWB over Reagan.

1988 IOWA - Bob Dole over Pat Robertson. GHWB 3rd.

1996 NH - Pat Buchanan over Bob Dole.

2000 NH - John McCain over GWB.


23 posted on 10/28/2007 7:32:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: LS

“Umm, honesty? For Fred to ONLY have a 19 point lead over a northeasterner in Georgia is pretty sad.”

Maybe you don’t understand the South very well. And it’s still an eight man field. 41% of the vote is scattered among the others and undecided. 39% to 20% is a huge lead, twice the support of Giuliani. Can you show us states where Giuliani doubles the support of the #2.

“So I keep asking, where will Fred get his delegates?”

People also need to start asking: Where will Rudy get his electoral votes in November of 2008 if he’s the nominee. The fantasy of all these blue states he’ll win is more likely to be a reality of all the close red states he stands to lose.


24 posted on 10/28/2007 7:40:33 AM PDT by Will88
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To: LS
"Umm, honesty? For Fred to ONLY have a 19 point lead over a northeasterner in Georgia is pretty sad."

Wow. That reminds me of a PBS global warming special this past spring where the very first sentence was, "The output of the sun is a constant." I knew I didn't need to watch further.

25 posted on 10/28/2007 7:41:00 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Interesting post and thread. Thanks to all.


26 posted on 10/28/2007 7:50:41 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: StAnDeliver
Uh, that goes for your candidate Jiuliette as well, as no one has ever lost SC's primary and gone on to win the GOP nomination for president.

Absolutely, but I haven't been posting threads citing one poll or another as evidence that my candidate is on a roll to the nomimation.
27 posted on 10/28/2007 7:54:07 AM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: StAnDeliver
Uh, that goes for your candidate Jiuliette as well, as no one has ever lost SC's primary and gone on to win the GOP nomination for president.

Oh, and as I noted in an earlier comment, Guiliani is not my candidate. Good luck with that line of attack, though.
28 posted on 10/28/2007 7:56:06 AM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: LS
Good analysis, and you are right. The most overlooked polling is McCain's strength against Clinton in a number of states. He simply polls better than Giuliani and Thompson in Republican states.

A Giuliani/McCain or McCain/Giuliani ticket is a large possibility based on current scenarios.
29 posted on 10/28/2007 8:01:13 AM PDT by jonathanmo (So many phobes, so little time...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How can this be????

On Fox there were two dildoes yapping about Romney and Guiliani.... and of course Huckabee....they were the ONLY ones in the "hunt" for the Republican nomination.

Kewl....Fox's political analysts now bend over for the lib propaganda just like CNNABCCBSNBCMSNBCMOUSE.

Oh and for the Rudy lurkers.... yeah, I'll take Hillary. I made a ton of money last time the "boy" President ruled.

Just short the pharmaceutical stocks and take that money and reinvest it after 1-2 years into the debris thats left.

TON of money. The democrat party won't do d#ck as far as nationalizing health care....cause it's already happened.

30 posted on 10/28/2007 8:15:12 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But.... He has no fire in his belly.


31 posted on 10/28/2007 8:18:10 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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bump


32 posted on 10/28/2007 8:23:17 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Huck
No, there are all sorts of scenarios---I'm just providing those that most "observers" think will unfold, namely that Mitt is going to win IA and NH pretty easily, probably win MI, and that Rudy has a commanding lead in FL and most of the big-delegate "Super Tuesday" states (NY, CT, PA, NJ, and CA). It's like the electoral college where you have to find a way to reach, what? 271? The only difference is that delegates are (in most states) proportional, meaning Fred can "lose" a state and still get some delegates---but that goes for the other guys, too.

At some point, someone has to present any scenario that has Fred winning a big bunch of delegates without CA, FL, CT, NJ, PA, IA, and NH. I don't see where they come from---but even if he wins, say, NC, GA, AL, AZ, Rudy will still be winning some and adding to those huge delegate counts he already has. There is one bonus for Fred if he wins a bunch of "red" states vs. CT and NY and CA, which is the "super delegates" are extra delegates awarded to states that went Republican in the last presidential election.

33 posted on 10/28/2007 8:55:37 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Will88
Well, that's a good question. Unfortunately for your position, I've posted a half-dozen polls here this week from SurveyUSA and other polling places looking at head-to-head matchups with Hillary. Guess who does best? Not Fred, and not Rudy. McCain.

However---and this should really concern you---in most of these states, including OH, NM, and even many deep red states like KA and NC, Rudy does much better than Fred vs. Hillary. He's better in OH, FL, NM, WI, and WA, while pretty close to what Fred pulls vs. Hillary in NC, KS, and VA. The only state where Rudy does not poll as well as Fred vs. Hillary is KY. Well, I'll take OH, FL, NM in a tradeoff vs. KY any day.

And don't give me this "don't understand the south." I lived there for many years, playing a circuit from NO to Pascagoula to Baton Rouge to Tampa. What perhaps you don't understand is that the south is changing and isn't nearly as "red" as it used to be, esp. in FL, VA, and NC.

34 posted on 10/28/2007 9:00:04 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: StAnDeliver
Hmmm, I thought Rudy couldn't get a single vote in the south? Yet he is 2nd in GA, in one poll ahead or tied in NC, ahead in FL, 2nd in VA, and 2nd in AL.

Talk about "an inconvenient truth."

35 posted on 10/28/2007 9:01:11 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: jonathanmo

The strangest thing about McCain is that despite how well he does in state polls, he still sucks in the national polling. Go figure.


36 posted on 10/28/2007 9:03:14 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Dick Vomer

Nice that you profit off the misfortunes of the country. Sorry, I won’t subject my children to Hillary. I’ll vote Rudy, Fred, Mitt, anyone except Hillary.


37 posted on 10/28/2007 9:04:04 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: codercpc
It is very unlikely that Mitt will win Iowa and, if he wins New Hampshire he won’t impress anyone. Paul Tsogas won New Hampshire in 1992. Fat lot of good it did him.

Heartbreaking as it may be for his partisans, Mitt isn’t very appealing to real voters. Human beings don’t much like androids. Predicting that he will rise above the pack in Iowa because he is strong in the polls there after months of unanswered advertising is just silly. He is a badly flawed candidate and the smart money says he’ll sink like a stone when the real voting starts. He may even be third in Iowa behind Thompson and Huckabee (in any order).

If, as I anticipate, Mitt gets creamed in Iowa his candidacy is over. He can’t recover in New Hampshire and he won’t recover anywhere else. If, as is quite likely, Thompson wins Iowa, South Carolina and Florida the game is over and everyone else can go home. If Huckabee wins Iowa and Thompson is second, more or less the same result follows. Huckabee can’t capitalize on an Iowa win. He hasn’t got the money or the ideological orientation to make a serious run.

If Mitt can win Iowa he will be a serious candidate. If he can’t he’s toast. I’m betting he can’t. We shall see.

38 posted on 10/28/2007 9:04:22 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (we don't need no stinking taglines)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is impossible, obviously a fraudulent poll. I have been assured by political operatives at the highest levels that Fred’s camping is a non starter, doomed to failure and he is generating no support.

Quit wasting our time with your irresponsible support of this doomed candidate please.

(DO I REALLY NEED AN /S TAG)

39 posted on 10/28/2007 9:14:52 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s just so lazy, that he’s kicking Rudy’s butt down here.

We need more of his kind of “lazy” in this country, to being a top prosecutor who took down a crooked governor, to the U.S. Senate and a very successful acting career (basically playing himself, I might add).

He’s also the kind of “lazy” who thinks about what it is the Federal Gov’t should, and more importantly, should *not*, be doing.


40 posted on 10/28/2007 9:20:33 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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