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URGENT ... HELP REQUIRED. NEED US MIL INTERMEDIARY DUE TO IMPENDING DEATH IN FAMILY(Update #111)
MarineMom613 | ME

Posted on 11/27/2007 12:46:44 PM PST by MarineMom613

Sorry for long title and caps. I am typing thru tears. My mom is dying of pancreatic cancer. She raised my son and I got thru to Red Cross & Hospice and they approved it. Military is denying it saying she is not loco parentis. On top of that nobody knows how to do the paper work. My son is her baby (30 Year Old Marine) and she is all she wants. Seems to be holding on for him. She just took a drastic turn for the worst yesterday. I need a congressman/senator anyone who I can call and try to push this through. I am literally BEGGING. I am losing my best friend and I need My Son home but More importantly, SHE needs him. She is basically unconcious but everytime she hears a mans voice she screams out that Rob is Here Bring him to me now. Dont' know how much longer she has. Any help appreciated... Prayers too!. He has served 2 tours in Iraq and has made the Military his career and he is lost right now. Please. He is in Camp Lejuene, NC and is scheduled to go out on a training excerise tomorrow on ship. Hospice and Red Cross pushed it through and Military is pushing it somewhere else.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: camplejeune; cancer; cao; congress; congressman; death; help; hospice; marines; military; nc; pancreaticcancer; prayer; prayerrequest; prayers; redcross; senate; senator
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1 posted on 11/27/2007 12:46:45 PM PST by MarineMom613
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To: MarineMom613

bump


2 posted on 11/27/2007 12:48:25 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

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3 posted on 11/27/2007 12:49:04 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - President Fred D. Thompson /"The Constitution means what is says.")
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To: kristinn; Doctor Raoul; Just Lori; armymarinemom; holdonnow

Anybody have ideas on who to call or how to help 613 out?


4 posted on 11/27/2007 12:49:30 PM PST by AliVeritas (All photoshops stolen from Are We Lumberjacks and EU Referendum. Go visit them.)
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To: Route66

bump


5 posted on 11/27/2007 12:49:53 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: MarineMom613

Call your Congressman and local News outlet


6 posted on 11/27/2007 12:50:14 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: SandRat

Ping

Can you help or have any knowledge?


7 posted on 11/27/2007 12:50:41 PM PST by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: MarineMom613

At this point, I’m not sure what you can do. Your Senators, Hillary and Chuckie may be your only hope.........


8 posted on 11/27/2007 12:51:01 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: MarineMom613

Praying for strength and healing for your mom, and favor with the brass.


9 posted on 11/27/2007 12:51:27 PM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

FYI.


10 posted on 11/27/2007 12:52:03 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: MarineMom613

Have you tried your Rep in Congress, Mom? Please keep us posted. Sending prayers your way.


11 posted on 11/27/2007 12:53:57 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: MarineMom613

Prayers for you all are on the way.


12 posted on 11/27/2007 12:54:30 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MarineMom613

Bump for MarineMom613’s mother, son, and this whole situation. I am praying for you-—have no idea how else to help but I know the Lord will lead you.


13 posted on 11/27/2007 12:55:05 PM PST by Faith
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To: MarineMom613

prayer bump


14 posted on 11/27/2007 12:55:24 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: MarineMom613

Did Veterans Affairs/NCDVA help you?
Did they tell you she wasn’t immediate family and that’s why... or what?

Albemarle Building, Suite 1065
325 North Salisbury Street
Raleigh, NC 27603
(919) 733-3851
(919) 733-2834 fax
charles.smith@ncmail.net
http://www.doa.state.nc.us/vets/va.htm

Hit all the representatives, in writing and call/fax.

Other links on the site:
http://www.va.gov/landing_organizations.htm

Call the VFW and DAV at the VA to get some resources as well.


15 posted on 11/27/2007 12:55:27 PM PST by AliVeritas (All photoshops stolen from Are We Lumberjacks and EU Referendum. Go visit them.)
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To: MarineMom613

The Red Cross is responsible for verifying to the military that your mother is in poor condition. I would call the Red Cross.


16 posted on 11/27/2007 12:56:18 PM PST by kabar
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To: MarineMom613

I’m sending the story to Mark Levin. He’s very pro-active in contacting D.C. on the issues.


17 posted on 11/27/2007 12:58:40 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: kabar

You might tell the Red Cross that he is needed as a pallbearer at her funeral—even though she is still alive at this point.

Did you tell the Red Cross that she raised your son? That your son lived with her for any length of time? Just suggestions, hope they work.


18 posted on 11/27/2007 12:59:56 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: MarineMom613

I’m so sorry. I can’t be of help, but I hope and pray that someone here will be able to assist you.


19 posted on 11/27/2007 1:00:19 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: MarineMom613

I just called the Chaplain’s office at LeJuene and they said to call RED CROSS ARMED FORCES EMERGENCY SERVICE CENTER: 1-877-272-7337.


20 posted on 11/27/2007 1:02:41 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: MarineMom613

Normally....if the Red Cross signs off...the military doesn’t argue about this. It is general military policy that grandparents don’t weigh as much as parents or brothers or sisters...I’ve seen this attitude across all the services. But once you establish that she helped to raise him...they don’t argue. I think you need the Red Cross to capitalize this comment of her bringing him up...and resubmit.


21 posted on 11/27/2007 1:05:08 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: MarineMom613
I would try your congress persons, state congress persons, The Office of the Commandant of the US Marine Corps, Military Chaplin’s Offices (command),USO and anyone else you can think of in this case. In my experience, the Red Cross does not always carry the weight you might need. Keep trying, anyone you can think of. You never know who knows whom.

Best of luck, and God bless you and yours.

Regards,
AR

22 posted on 11/27/2007 1:05:54 PM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: MarineMom613

Prayers for you, mother, and much-loved son. May those who can help be led to do their utmost for you in your time of need.


23 posted on 11/27/2007 1:07:20 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: MarineMom613

MarineMom, Please call RedCross immediately. They were who we were told to call when our daughter died, and we had to get our son home. They know all the “rules”, and are the best go-to guys in a situation like this.

They got our son home within 18 hours, and sent someone to get him out of bed.


24 posted on 11/27/2007 1:08:36 PM PST by jacquej
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To: MarineMom613

Prayers for your mom and family.


25 posted on 11/27/2007 1:08:54 PM PST by mysterio
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To: MarineMom613

Call NC’s Senators and reps where Le June is also. The Red Cross is a good starting point, but they can only push so far. If the military is FUBARing this up, then up the chain is the only way to go. Have you tried calling the CO of Camp Le June?? I pray your son is giving leave to say good-bye. Its the least that could be done for him..considering the sacrifices you and your family are making for this country. You, your son, and family are in my prayers..And Thank you for what your family has done to serve this country. God Bless!!


26 posted on 11/27/2007 1:11:46 PM PST by skully (Take a Moonbat bowling!!)
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To: MarineMom613

have your physician or pastor write a letter to whom it may concern verifying that is parent.


27 posted on 11/27/2007 1:12:12 PM PST by loulou
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To: Doctor Raoul

Your a good man DR R


28 posted on 11/27/2007 1:13:45 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: MarineMom613; freema

fyi


29 posted on 11/27/2007 1:14:55 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: al baby; Doctor Raoul
You're a good man DR R

Yes, indeed. Good work.

30 posted on 11/27/2007 1:17:04 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb; al baby

Thanks. I’m just following the example set by my parents.


31 posted on 11/27/2007 1:22:23 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: mysterio; All

I tried calling Red Cross again just now with the case # they gave me. originally everyone thought this would go through like a piece of cake. Apparently 2 issues. I loco parentis.
She raised him, I was there but not all the time and financially able to. 2nd Nobody knows how to get this done in the offices down in Camp Lejueune. Both me and my son are inconsolable at this point. My son has served his country honorably since before 9/11 and when this happens We feel like a slap in the face. My only saving grace is my Mom is not aware what is going on. She is PRO Military and SO proud of her “Marine” Thank goodness she doesn’t know what they are doing to him. I am going to try to find a tel # in the chaplains office in Lejuene. Again, any help would be appreciated.


32 posted on 11/27/2007 1:22:30 PM PST by MarineMom613 (My Son is My Hero!!!)
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To: MarineMom613

Lord God help this family ....reunite them in this time of great need. Father I ask for your intervention and for open doors of favor with the military and all involved. Bless and protect them Lord.

I will also say a prayer of healing for your mom.

God bless and don’t give up, God will help you.


33 posted on 11/27/2007 1:23:35 PM PST by free_life (Pro God is Pro life ~ ~ The Democrats are phony Americans.)
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To: MarineMom613
My eldest son called the Red Cross for funeral leave for his brother with the Army at Fort Huachuca to attend his grandmother's funeral (my mother) and leave was granted without a hitch. Attendance at bed-side may the distinguishing issue.

If you have spoken with the Red Cross, I would call back and see if they can give you a "case number" or some other distinguishing identifier and then call the Base Commander's office and ask how to proceed with having his office look into granting the leave. Dr. R's phone number he posted at number twenty is also a good source, but it always helps to be able to cite the Red Cross request already made and a case number or contact person may help them find out who they are being asked to overule and why.

34 posted on 11/27/2007 1:26:40 PM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: MarineMom613

Oh I wish you the best of luck here! I can sincerely relate, my cousin was disallowed by the Air Force from attending our grandmother’s funeral 15 years ago as a pallbearer. As a result I had to shoulder that load with 5 much younger boys, most unrelated. 4 years later the same Air Force (under CLinton) failed to secure their base in Saudi Arabia from terrorist attack, and he was dead too, one of 19 Americans who died and one of two officers I believe. The military brass and beurocracy should support the families who support them. And they must protect their own!


35 posted on 11/27/2007 1:27:00 PM PST by parapliers
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To: MarineMom613

As far as I understand, he won’t even be allowed leave for funeral. Anyone who has been a caretaker for a cancer victim knows about hallucinations. Hers are all about him being in Iraq. She saw him a while ago but this turn for the worst so damn fast it killing us and leaving us with our hands tied.
I won’t give up. Again, thanks for the help.


36 posted on 11/27/2007 1:27:24 PM PST by MarineMom613 (My Son is My Hero!!!)
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To: MarineMom613

Click on this and then choose to open.

http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/mcb/chaplain/emergency_info.doc


37 posted on 11/27/2007 1:30:47 PM PST by Cagey (Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.......Thoreau)
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To: MarineMom613

Check you FReep mail, I sent you the Chaplain’s office number.


38 posted on 11/27/2007 1:32:10 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: MarineMom613

Prayer bump.


39 posted on 11/27/2007 1:32:53 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: MarineMom613

My suggestion is to call your Congressman’s office and ask to speak to his military person- explain the situation to them. I had things that had to be worked out when my son was in Iraq- my Congressman’s office was extremely helpful. Call a local radio and/or tv station..

You, your mom and son will all be in my prayers..

God Bless


40 posted on 11/27/2007 1:33:18 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: MarineMom613; SandRat; patriciaruth; Kathy in Alaska

Ping folks.


41 posted on 11/27/2007 1:33:50 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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bttt

and prayers for family


42 posted on 11/27/2007 1:35:21 PM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: MarineMom613
I hope this helps -
Milpersman Section 1050-130 6.a.3 states:
In Loco Parentis is defined as a person who stood in place of the parent 24 hours a day for at least 5 years before the service member turned 21 or entered the service.

If this defines your situation:
Write a brief statement indicating that the ill lady meets this definition - include the applicable dates of service 'In Loco Parentis' - and get this letter counter signed by an independant witness who can attest to the 'loco parentis' declaration. Get BOTH signatures notarized.

Then:
Get a letter from the attending physician indicating that his presence would contribute to the welfare of the ill lady. (This, unfortunately is a key item. If his presence would not so contribute as certified by the attending physician then leave cannot be granted unless the lady paseses.)

Then:
Contact your local chapter of the American Red Cross, and obtain a short letter indicating that they have verified the situation.

Then:
Send a copy to your son via regular mail AND send copies to the Command OMBUDSMAN.

Then:
Pray.

.

Please be aware that it is possible that leave may not be granted prior to her passing. This would be neither a misinterpretation of the regulations nor an abuse of power. The final decision always rests with the commanding officer. Contacting your elected representatives will be neither helpful nor effective as they have no jurisdiction in this matter and can only serve to interfere in ongoing operations and the authority of the CO.

How do I know all this?
Former Naval Officer, former Command Legal Officer, former Command Administrative and Personnel Officer.

43 posted on 11/27/2007 1:38:32 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: MarineMom613
since he is on NC I suggest you contact

Greenville N.C. Office:
Congressman Walter Jones
1105-C Corporate Drive
Greenville, NC 27858-4211
Phone: 252-931-1003 or toll-free (in N.C. only) 800-351-1697
Fax: 252-931-1002

Washington, DC Office:
Congressman Walter Jones
2333 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington DC 20515
Phone: 202 225-3415
Fax: 202 225-3286


He does have a way with the military here

44 posted on 11/27/2007 1:42:30 PM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: MarineMom613
to go out on a training excerise tomorrow on ship

pre-deployment exercises? They are next to impossible to get out of (for good reason), and (I say this with the utmost respect and delicacy) she will likely have to die before the USMC lets him out of a deployment.

45 posted on 11/27/2007 1:42:34 PM PST by SwankyC
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To: MarineMom613
"In loco parentis" translates literally "in the place of a parent." I'm guessing that the military would give leave for a dying parent, but not a grandparent when the parent is around. If a grandmother, or aunt, or family friend acted in loco parentis, then the brass would respond as if that person were a birth mother.

The camp Leheune chaplain's office number is 910-451-5633, and it's staffed from 0730 to 1630 Monday-Friday. The info is available at http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/mcb/chaplain/index.html, via the "emergency information" link at the bottom of the left-hand column. It's a downloadable .doc file for no apparent reason.

If they can't provide any help in a timely manner, I'd suggest going to groups like the VFW and American Legion. They will know where to find a sympathetic reporter, and believe me, nothing gets results lie high-profile public embarrassment.

46 posted on 11/27/2007 1:42:39 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: AliVeritas

I really don’t, Ali, but reading thru the thread, it looks like many other FReepers are being of great help.

PRAYERS UP!


47 posted on 11/27/2007 1:46:00 PM PST by Just Lori (There is nothing democrat-"ic" about democrats.)
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To: Gone_Postal

I hope your post is ignored and that the matter is handled properly and responsibly within the rules.


48 posted on 11/27/2007 2:01:39 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: MarineMom613

Red Cross just called. They cant’ go know farther than processing and verifying. Clintons office for Military ( Voice Mail ) Schumer office (No answer at all)


49 posted on 11/27/2007 2:04:58 PM PST by MarineMom613 (My Son is My Hero!!!)
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To: MarineMom613

Please read my post #43 - I am giving you solid advice.


50 posted on 11/27/2007 2:13:14 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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