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1 posted on 12/30/2007 2:57:59 PM PST by jdm
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You know, when I heard that she didn’t get shot, the first thing I thought was that they were trying to make it sound like al queda wasn’t successful in an attempt to discourage them, or at least not let them take credit for it.

Personally, I suspect she was shot, but that’s just me.


2 posted on 12/30/2007 3:03:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Finally a smattering of truth comes out.
Troubles a’brewin’.


3 posted on 12/30/2007 3:05:53 PM PST by EggsAckley
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The bottom line: is she still dead?


4 posted on 12/30/2007 3:06:57 PM PST by Rudder
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Maybe my eyes were bad, but I couldn’t tell if she was shot or not.

I did certainly hear what sounded like three shots followed by the suicide bomber’s explosion. That, and the earlier video and stories, suggest that the plan was to shoot her and then blow up the shooter as well as the crowd, to prevent an arrest or identification of who was responsible.

It still seems possible that the shots missed, although now I wonder if a healthy person would be likely to kill herself with a bumped head when ducking back into the car.

I also wonder if Musharref will follow up on yesterday’s offer to exhume her so people can have a look. And I still don’t see what he gains by arguing the point. She was still basically killed by the Taliban terrorists.


5 posted on 12/30/2007 3:09:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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The bottom line:
 
Can you ever trust Brit reporting?

6 posted on 12/30/2007 3:10:04 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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Did anyone check the grassy knoll?
7 posted on 12/30/2007 3:15:13 PM PST by Taxbilly
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The guy was within touching distance of her SUV when he fired. Very hard to believe he could have missed three times. There does appear to be a physical reaction to at least one of the shots; and she clearly falls before the bomb goes off. There is no blood or spray from the bullets visible in the shooting sequence though.


9 posted on 12/30/2007 3:19:07 PM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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Thank you, I already posted it in my blog.


11 posted on 12/30/2007 3:25:28 PM PST by The Mayor ( A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.—Proverbs 16:9)
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What??? Bullett wounds are now FATAL????? No Way!!!!

She died from banging her head.

/s for the sarcasm impaired

12 posted on 12/30/2007 3:25:45 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Smithers hand me that icecream scoop. This isn't rocket science, it's brain surgery.)
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It, very much, does appear that she could have been shot in this video. I heard three shots, and I saw the flash.

However, in the next sequence shown, about 2:30 into the vid, I hear four shots. One. One, two three. Like that.

I don’t know. Maybe this thread will have to be moved into the “Undead” thread before all is said and done.


16 posted on 12/30/2007 3:36:03 PM PST by papasmurf (I'm voting for FRed, even if I have to write him in.)
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Did anyone do an X-ray or CT scan? The Dr of record has not spoken. The Gov is attempting to say a part of her scull banged against a handle. Are they saying a subdural hemotoma killed her that fast?
21 posted on 12/30/2007 3:43:09 PM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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Back ... and to the left.
Back ... and to the left.

Oops. Sorry, wrong assassination. Never mind.


22 posted on 12/30/2007 3:45:31 PM PST by sono (Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.)
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Looks to me like she was struck twice, once in the head and once lower, perhaps on the neck or shoulder. IMO, it's senseless and weird that the government doesn't just disclose this. What's the difference if she was assassinated by a bullet, a bomb blast, or a fractured skull. She was as assassinated nonetheless.

In addition, with an accomplice, the attack was obviously conspiracy and not the work of a lone crazy. Given a conspiracy, I'm sure the gunman who was chosen had had A LOT of practice. Three taps from ten feet away would easily result in two head shots, again IMHO.

36 posted on 12/30/2007 3:57:05 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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Pretty damned obvious she was shot, the gubmet is lying about it.

SHe was corrupt, her dad was corrupt, Musharaff is corrupt.. there is nothing but corrupt options when you are dealing with Muslims, its only a matter of degree.


41 posted on 12/30/2007 4:06:21 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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I don’t think it was AQ....just a hunch....she has SOOO many foes there


45 posted on 12/30/2007 4:19:57 PM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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She fell into the car before the explosion, so it’s safe to say she died from a gunshot.

It’s looking very bad for the Pakistani government.


49 posted on 12/30/2007 5:16:45 PM PST by devere
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Looks to me like she takes a head shot and falls straight down like a sack of potatos. Certainly doesn’t go down with enough force to kill herself by stiking her head on the sun roof (which she doesn’t appear to do)


50 posted on 12/30/2007 5:18:09 PM PST by joebuck
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Nobody has mentioned that immediately after the shooter shoots, he is ushered (not tackled, yanked, collared)immediately away from the vehicle AND THE BOMB BLAST just before it goes off. Hmmmmm......


60 posted on 12/30/2007 5:53:16 PM PST by RightResponse (It depends on what the defamation of Islam is .....)
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The original report was that she was struck by shrapnel. The next report was that a sniper shot her with an AK-47. I reported that to FR, then got a report of the actual wound damage and bullet path. Minutes later I got a correction that the wounds were caused by 9mm rounds, so I posted a correction.
It was some minutes after that that I got a report that a 9mm semi-automatic pistol had been recovered and that the assassin blew up after the crowd grabbed him.

Unclear whether the assassin blew himself up or was blown up by remote control by a one of the other two assassins.

I think he blew himself up because Bhuttos vehicle carried RF jammers to prevent remote signal or cell phone usage near her vehicle. The assassins likely knew that.

Also, the three assassins were operationally independent and carrying bombs, looking for an opening, none in control of the other.

For the record, she was not in a jeep but a white armored Land Rover and was wearing kevlar.

Finally, Bhutto suffered from terminal arrogance. That along with Musharraf’s refusal to let her have western security forces (that would have prevented this) caused her death.


65 posted on 12/30/2007 6:01:42 PM PST by gandalftb (Ruthless action may be only clarity...quickly, awake (Capt. Willard, Apocalypse Now))
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Why is al qeada claiming credit? And who says al qeada wouldn’t use a gunman? There was also a bomb that went off that is al qeada’s trademark. The two looked pretty close to each other in the crowd too. Maybe, al qeada knew the car was protected (bomb proofed) and they sent a gunman to be sure?


78 posted on 12/30/2007 7:40:58 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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