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Massacre of the Russian royals: Horrific last hours of a dynasty
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 19th July 2008 | Zoe Brennan

Posted on 07/18/2008 6:29:16 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

Bayonetted and shot by drunken assassins, the slaughter of the Russian royal family shook the world. Now a new book reveals in compelling detail the horrifying final days of the Romanovs.

As the light faded, a train halted in the siding near the remote railway station of Lyubinskaya on the Trans-Siberian railway line.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Russia; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: assassination; godsgravesglyphs; romanovs; romanovstsar; royals
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An interesting read, the delights of Communism being rapidly unleashed on an unsuspecting world ninety years ago this week.
1 posted on 07/18/2008 6:29:17 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

“massacre of the russian royals...”

liberals are communists without total power.


2 posted on 07/18/2008 6:33:17 PM PDT by ripley
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


3 posted on 07/18/2008 6:33:36 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: PotatoHeadMick
There has to be some spin in there somewhere. What interest does a popular periodical have in history other than to re-write it?
4 posted on 07/18/2008 6:37:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (bweed'n dee boo bow shaaaboood'n dee feee-oooo!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

I believe it was Condi Rice (but I’m probably wrong) who said, “The Russians never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity.”

The stupid Russians killed the Tsar and his family for not being sensitive enough to the plight of the peasants. In return they got Stalin.... Good move geniuses!

So Ronald the Great causes the Soviet Union to collapsy and the stupid Russians end up with.... Vladimir Putin! Good move geniuses!


5 posted on 07/18/2008 6:46:50 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Never forget why we don’t want communism in America or anywhere else in the world.


6 posted on 07/18/2008 6:50:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Tailback

They mistakenly (possibly) thought he insensitive, but it may not have been so much of this, as it was that he just wasn’t the greatest leader they ever had. People often tned to think that others don’t care about their plights when in reality it is something else.


7 posted on 07/18/2008 6:52:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

No spin, the Daily Mail is a mid range paper aimed at a middle class, conservative, readership, this is from the Saturday edition which frequently reviews books or has interesting historical articles to interest Mr and Mrs Average of 22 Acacia Avenue, Suburbia, England over their tea and crumpets on a Saturday morning before they go shopping or potter about the garden.

All quite civilised really.


8 posted on 07/18/2008 6:54:11 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: Tailback

It’s a takeoff on “The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” by Abba Eban (attr.) after the Geneva Peace Conference with Arab countries in 1973.

It was picked up in Russia and used there by Russians themselves, and although I don’t recall Condi or Ronaldus Magnus using it, I could picture it with either of them.


9 posted on 07/18/2008 6:55:05 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

What a wonderful description!


10 posted on 07/18/2008 6:56:07 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

soon coming to a theater near YOU.


11 posted on 07/18/2008 6:57:27 PM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick


Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna Circa 1914



Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna circa 1916



Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna



Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna



Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov



Empress Alexandra Feodorovna



Nicholas II of Russia


12 posted on 07/18/2008 6:57:30 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: PotatoHeadMick

"Poor Tsarina...punished with all those babies... The assassins were just helping her out and got a little carried away..."

13 posted on 07/18/2008 6:58:20 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“There they would face a firing squad just 78 days later - and exactly 90 years ago this week.

To coincide with that anniversary, their last wretched days have been chronicled in an explosive new book.

Using previously overlooked documents and witness accounts, it tells the story of the family’s final moments in unprecedented detail.”

The anniversary of the their deaths, the new book out, and the fact that just recently, the bodies of Maria and Alexei were positively identified, most likely.


14 posted on 07/18/2008 6:58:31 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Perdogg

I get a lump in my throat whenever I see those pics and think of the horror.


15 posted on 07/18/2008 7:00:16 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

So, pogrom’s are simply manifestations of insensitivity?


16 posted on 07/18/2008 7:00:36 PM PDT by Carley
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To: ripley
liberals are communists without total power.

Communists are liberals who mean it.

17 posted on 07/18/2008 7:00:38 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Whe He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: Gondring

I cannot even begin to imagine the horror those young ladies went through. The period of 1914 though 1918 was extremely harsh on young men, but I cannot imagine how any one could be so brutal to such beautiful young ladies.


18 posted on 07/18/2008 7:03:57 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Gondring

So do I. I read everything I could get my hands on when a teenager about the Romanov’s. They always interested me and seeing these pictures and reading that article brings back the tears I cried and horror I felt when I read of that family’s murders.


19 posted on 07/18/2008 7:05:10 PM PDT by arbee4bush (Our Airman Daughter KB4W--Hero, Patriot and the Love of her mom & dads life! RIP Tony Snow)
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To: kalee

bookmark


20 posted on 07/18/2008 7:11:40 PM PDT by kalee
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To: arbee4bush
Final Resting place.


21 posted on 07/18/2008 7:12:44 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: ktscarlett66

would you recommend it for someone wanting to learn more about the subject (the truth of it)?


22 posted on 07/18/2008 7:15:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (bweed'n dee boo bow shaaaboood'n dee feee-oooo!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

The children were innocents.

Mom and Pop were not.

Many millions of people died from 1914 to 1918. Decisions made by the Tsar, heavily influenced by his wife, were a major contributor to those deaths.

He was not an evil man, but he was an utter disaster for Russia and the world. You can make an excellent case that had Nick been a better politician Communism and Nazism would never have arisen, which between them killed well over 100M people.

Mom and Pop deserved their fate far more than most of the people who died as a result of their decisions. It’s just too bad his first cousin and close friend Willy didn’t suffer the same fate.


23 posted on 07/18/2008 7:16:09 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: Perdogg
I cannot imagine how any one could be so brutal to such beautiful young ladies.

They make the current crop of royal females look pretty sleazy....... (excepting the Queen).

24 posted on 07/18/2008 7:18:28 PM PDT by 6323cd ("It is prohibited to make use of such emotional signs in a cellphone!")
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To: Sherman Logan
The children were innocents.

Mom and Pop were not.

Spot on.

25 posted on 07/18/2008 7:18:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Many millions of people died from 1914 to 1918. Decisions made by the Tsar, heavily influenced by his wife, were a major contributor to those deaths.

I would agree with that statement somewhat, and it's a shame that the Kerensky government couldn't have held up against the Bolsheviks. As one of Polish heritage, I shed no tears for the Tsar, but still, the children didn't deserve that fate.

26 posted on 07/18/2008 7:19:27 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
No spin, the Daily Mail is a mid range paper aimed at a middle class, conservative, readership, this is from the Saturday edition which frequently reviews books or has interesting historical articles to interest Mr and Mrs Average of 22 Acacia Avenue, Suburbia, England over their tea and crumpets on a Saturday morning before they go shopping or potter about the garden.

Did you pause to take a breath when you wrote that? 'Cause I had to when I read it. I started wondering how deep you were going to drill down into Mr. and Mrs. Average's lives.

27 posted on 07/18/2008 7:20:09 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (bweed'n dee boo bow shaaaboood'n dee feee-oooo!)
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To: Sherman Logan

...though I do think that Pop was well meaning. He did try to act in Russia’s best interests, via the abdication he regretted when he saw that it did more damage than good to Russia.


28 posted on 07/18/2008 7:20:43 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Perdogg
Final Resting place.

A guy could do worse.

29 posted on 07/18/2008 7:20:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (bweed'n dee boo bow shaaaboood'n dee feee-oooo!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; devolve; MeekOneGOP; gonzo; ...
I would like to add another Duranty quote, not in his dispatches, which is reported in a memoir by Zara Witkin, a Los Angeles architect, who lived in the Soviet Union during the 1930s. ("An American Engineer in Stalin's Russia: The Memoirs of Zara Witkin, 1932-1934," University of California Press ). The memoirist describes an evening during which the Moscow correspondents were discussing how to get out the story about the Stalin-made Russian famine. To get around the censorship, the UP's Eugene Lyons was telephoning the dire news of the famine to his New York office but the was ordered to stop because it was antagonizing the Kremlin. Ralph Barnes, the New York Herald Tribune reporter, turned to Duranty and asked him what he was going to write. Duranty replied:

Nothing. What are a few million dead Russians in a situation like this? Quite unimportant. This is just an incident in the sweeping historical changes here. I think the entire matter is exaggerated.

And this was at a time when peasants in Ukraine were dying of starvation at the rate of 25,000 a day.

In his masterwork about Stalin's imposed famine on Ukraine, "Harvest of Sorrow," Robert Conquest has written:

As one of the best known correspondents in the world for one of the best known newspapers in the world, Mr. Duranty's denial that there was a famine was accepted as gospel. Thus Mr. Duranty gulled not only the readers of the New York Times but because of the newspaper's prestige, he influenced the thinking of countless thousands of other readers about the character of Josef Stalin and the Soviet regime. And he certainly influenced the newly-elected President Roosevelt to recognize the Soviet Union.

What is so awful about Duranty is that Times top brass suspected that Duranty was writing Stalinist propaganda, but did nothing. In her exposé "Stalin's Apologist: Walter Duranty, the New York Times's man in Moscow," S.J. Taylor makes it clear that Carr Van Anda, the managing editor, Frederick T. Birchall, an assistant managing editor, and Edwin L. James, the later managing editor, were troubled with Duranty's Moscow reporting but did nothing about it. Birchall recommended that Duranty be replaced but, says Taylor, "the recommendation fell by the wayside."

Pulitzer-Winning Lies

It was Duranty who made the remark about the necessity of breaking eggs to make an omelet. Now the media has eggs on its face from the Obamlet. Bring on the youth guard and the new cultural revolution. After the sloppy execution of the ancien régime à la Raila Odinga and the Christian-burners.


30 posted on 07/18/2008 7:24:14 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Gondring

By the time he abdicated, it was irrelevant. Nobody paid him any attention anymore, so it didn’t matter whether he clung to the throne or not.

People forget that “leaders” have only the power they get from people who follow them. That’s why those who obsess over a presidential coup are being silly.

For an American president, right or left, to “take over” and dump the Constitution would require at minimum hundreds of thousands and more likely tens of millions of willing followers, appropriately placed in the power structure, especially the military. I don’t see these people out there.


31 posted on 07/18/2008 7:26:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

FYI


32 posted on 07/18/2008 7:32:29 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: PotatoHeadMick; Perdogg; Gondring

Thanks for the post; pics. Educational.


33 posted on 07/18/2008 7:33:02 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PotatoHeadMick

I hope our leaders in Washington today meet the same fate.


34 posted on 07/18/2008 7:33:14 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I never recommend a book unless I’ve read it cover to cover and I haven’t read this one yet. Right now I’m plowing through a history of Scotland and need to keep the Jacobites, Bonnie Prince Charlie and the fallen at Culloden straight, before I tackle yet another branch of the British royal family!


35 posted on 07/18/2008 7:40:58 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: FightThePower!

Is that really called for?


36 posted on 07/18/2008 7:43:11 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: PotatoHeadMick; Gondring

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?board=22.0


37 posted on 07/18/2008 7:43:41 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Gondring

Me too. I look at those girls’ faces and I see my own children.


38 posted on 07/18/2008 7:44:12 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Sherman Logan
You are just so wrong. A cancer cell begins as one and before long it is tens of thousands, then millions and eventually death. We must always guard our country from the red cancer. Elect Obama and you are introducing a catalyst. It only takes a cancerous Supreme Court, a cancerous Congress to support the “take over” and we are history. I pray this does not happen
39 posted on 07/18/2008 7:44:25 PM PDT by BatGuano
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To: Secret Agent Man
Re: Never forget why we don’t want communism in America or anywhere else in the world.

Come November, you may be proven wrong!


40 posted on 07/18/2008 7:53:07 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: arbee4bush

Same here, I read everything about the Romanov’s as a teen. I always felt Rasputin had way too much influence on the Czarina and ultimately the family.

My heart broke at the brutality of their treatment and their deaths....I do not think I can read this new book....


41 posted on 07/18/2008 7:56:26 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Bender2

Yes, if whoever becomes POTUS promotes amnesty and perks for illegal aliens, it will be horrible for this country.


42 posted on 07/18/2008 7:56:59 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Kimmers

My College History professor blamed her for the fall of the Romanovs.


43 posted on 07/18/2008 7:59:44 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
Are there any politicians that you actually respect?
44 posted on 07/18/2008 8:01:57 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
There will be a documentary Tues nite on Nat’l Geo - I think at 10 est
45 posted on 07/18/2008 8:09:20 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: Jim Noble

“communists are liberals who mean it...”

and nasty scu&bags, one and all.

IMHO


46 posted on 07/18/2008 8:17:04 PM PDT by ripley
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To: Dante3; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; ..
Re: Yes, if whoever becomes POTUS promotes amnesty and perks for illegal aliens, it will be horrible for this country.

If you are stupid enough to believe that John McCain would be a worse choice for POTUS than nObama, then enjoy watching this nation surrender to terror. Hold your hand up high when the dead and dying from the radioactive ruins of NYC and DC ask who let this happen?

Pudknockers like you are totally without any honor or common sense. And, Dante3, you certainly live up to your namesake in you believe it is better to rule in hell, than it is to serve in heaven.

Have at it, old sport! You earned it.

47 posted on 07/18/2008 8:17:31 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Jim Noble
If you asked a lib in private what he'd like to do with conservative Christians, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Republicans and even the Bush twins.... you'd find out that most of us would be lined up against the wall.

Same as it ever was..... same as it ever was....

48 posted on 07/18/2008 8:34:40 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: maine-iac7
There will be a documentary Tues nite on Nat’l Geo - I think at 10 est

Really? It'll go like this:

Man-made global warming melted the Russian permafrost and caused the people to starve and riot and the tsar to abdicate.

I refuse to watch National Gore-ographic, that bunch of jerk posers.

49 posted on 07/18/2008 8:42:46 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Jim Noble

“liberals are communists without total power.

Communists are liberals who mean it.”

During the 30s there was an actual saying that went: “Communists are Liberals who are in a hurry”. Oddly enough the Liberals, who spent the 30s, 40s, and part of the 50s doing everything they could to justify and cover up for Stalin, no longer use that phrase. I have no idea why.


50 posted on 07/18/2008 8:46:52 PM PDT by Robwin
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