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McCain Has the Advantage Over Obama in Post-Convention Polls (Barone)
US News and World Report ^ | 9/16/08 | Michael Barone

Posted on 09/16/2008 1:30:41 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

The post-convention national polls mostly show John McCain with a small lead over Barack Obama. But what's been happening in the states? I've been looking at the post-convention state polls at realclearpolitics.com, pollster.com, and fivethirtyeight.com and find some significant differences from pre-convention polls. They tend to suggest that the battlefield is shifting, with more states within McCain's reach and fewer within Obama's.

Some caution is in order: We're talking about only one or two polls in some states but as many as eight in ultracritical Ohio. I haven't included the Zogby Internet polls in my analysis. I've rounded off the averages in each state to full percentages (and rounded 0.5s downwards for both candidates), and I'm reporting the difference between the McCain percentage and Obama percentage. Here's my analysis:

The big industrial states. Michigan and Pennsylvania are Obama +2, Ohio is McCain +3. In each case, McCain is 1 point better than Bush's final percentage against Kerry in each state. An old rule of American politics is that economic distress moves voters toward Democrats. Michigan, Ohio, and western Pennsylvania are in economic distress. But they haven't moved toward the Democratic nominee, as compared with 2004. The old rule isn't operating. Here's another possible rule. When voters see that tax increases aren't producing a better economy, they don't move toward a Democratic nominee who is proposing higher taxes, even though he says they'll hit only the rich. In Michigan, the Democrats (with a few turncoat Republicans) raised taxes in 2007; in Ohio, the Republicans (with some Democratic support) raised taxes before 2006. Those tax increases haven't helped those states' economies, not so as you'd notice, though they've helped members of public employees unions.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; 2008rncconvention; barone; bounce; electionpresident; mccain; mccainpalin; obama; polls
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1 posted on 09/16/2008 1:30:42 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

The McCain campaign is starting to lose it... the narrative is turning against them... they need to shake things up...


2 posted on 09/16/2008 1:32:43 PM PDT by bahblahbah (http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/)
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To: bahblahbah

Did you read teh article??? The point it was making was just the opposite of what you expressed.


3 posted on 09/16/2008 1:39:13 PM PDT by Dawn531
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To: bahblahbah

>> The McCain campaign is starting to lose it...

Seriously? THAT’S the conclusion you drew from reading the article?

...or is that just the anti-McCain boilerplate that you crap into every thread like a grackle craps on a freshly washed car?


4 posted on 09/16/2008 1:40:07 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: bahblahbah

Obama’s HQ had to put back the champagne and confetti today as Dow Jones was up over 140.


5 posted on 09/16/2008 1:40:42 PM PDT by AU72
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To: bahblahbah
.. they need to shake things up...

The popular culture of video games, reality TV and the 24 hour miniseries news cycle has resulted in a 15 minute attention span for most Americans.

6 posted on 09/16/2008 1:41:42 PM PDT by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: outofstyle

Evidently “bahblahbah” is what bahblahbah really does hear (or in this case, read).


7 posted on 09/16/2008 1:43:40 PM PDT by rom (Cold on McCain '08. Enthusiastic about McCain-Palin '08!)
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To: bahblahbah

It is just about time to let Sarah go out into the media. There is a smart way to do it. Not all at once.

but we need to use her more against Obama. I think that is the plan.


8 posted on 09/16/2008 1:44:26 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Reagan conservatism is back ! .. Thank God for Sarah.)
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To: outofstyle

You’re so five minutes ago.


9 posted on 09/16/2008 1:44:45 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: bahblahbah
The McCain campaign is starting to lose it...

You really need to read the article before you start making your profound announcements.

Your credibility has taken a serious blow....keep this up and you'll destroy it completely.

10 posted on 09/16/2008 1:45:53 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Dawn531; bahblahbah
Evidently, bahblahbah, was too busy running around hollering the sky is falling, the sky is falling...

Geez! The histrionics!

11 posted on 09/16/2008 1:46:46 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (Elizabeth, what are you doing on the 'View' hanging out with those lipstick wearing Pigs?!?1-402-93)
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To: Nervous Tick

I think it just says that Mac needs to start pounding Obama to let the voters know that higer taxes on investors means less investment an less job creation. He also needs to challenge obama on the specificsof his tax cut promises for the middle class. All I ever hear is that those making over 250k will get socked and those under 100k will get a cut. Mac needs to hit him on specifics of those in between 100 and 250k. They are the ones that will get the change.


12 posted on 09/16/2008 1:46:58 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Nervous Tick

I think it just says that Mac needs to start pounding Obama to let the voters know that higer taxes on investors means less investment an less job creation. He also needs to challenge obama on the specifics of his tax cut promises for the middle class. All I ever hear is that those making over 250k will get socked and those under 100k will get a cut. Mac needs to hit him on specifics of those in between 100 and 250k. They are the ones that will get the change.


13 posted on 09/16/2008 1:47:18 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Nervous Tick

I think it just says that Mac needs to start pounding Obama to let the voters know that higer taxes on investors means less investment an less job creation. He also needs to challenge obama on the specifics of his tax cut promises for the middle class. All I ever hear is that those making over 250k will get socked and those under 100k will get a cut. Mac needs to hit him on specifics of those in between 100 and 250k. They are the ones that will get the change or the real screwing. increased payroll taxes, SS taxes, taxe on employer provided health benefits etc!


14 posted on 09/16/2008 1:48:43 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Dawnsblood
Michael Barone says McCain-Palin has the advantage in states with a total of 342 electoral votes. Things are looking up!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 09/16/2008 1:48:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: bahblahbah
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16 posted on 09/16/2008 1:49:36 PM PDT by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Veteran====McCain/Palin 2OO8)
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To: Dawnsblood

Excellent article. And for some context, how many people imagined the GOP would be in this position 3 or 4 months ago? It’s been a remarkable few months.


17 posted on 09/16/2008 1:50:22 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: outofstyle
The popular culture of video games, reality TV and the 24 hour miniseries news cycle has resulted in a 15 minute attention span for most Americans.

Not to mention 12 years of left-wing mush feed to students in public schools. These kids have been cheated of an education.

18 posted on 09/16/2008 1:50:41 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what hall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: goldstategop

Michael Barone knows his stuff. I recall when everyone was running around declaring Kerry the next president, and he (Barone) was able to quickly call “BS!” just based on scattered election returns.


19 posted on 09/16/2008 1:51:07 PM PDT by Chet 99 (http://www.mccainpalinvictory2008.com/)
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To: goldstategop
Michael Barone says McCain-Palin has the advantage in states with a total of 342 electoral votes. Things are looking up!

And what flavor Kool-Aid would that be?

20 posted on 09/16/2008 1:51:07 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Dawnsblood

“Here’s another possible rule. When voters see that tax increases aren’t producing a better economy, they don’t move toward a Democratic nominee who is proposing higher taxes, even though he says they’ll hit only the rich. In Michigan, the Democrats (with a few turncoat Republicans) raised taxes in 2007; in Ohio, the Republicans (with some Democratic support) raised taxes before 2006. Those tax increases haven’t helped those states’ economies, not so as you’d notice, though they’ve helped members of public employees unions.”

I hope this “rule” turns out to be true. Obama’s lead in NY NJ are small ... . We don’t need to win those states, but I doubt Obama will win the election if he ends up +5 in NJ.


21 posted on 09/16/2008 1:51:41 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: Always Independent

I could not agree more. Well Said.

Drilling, Low Taxes, and National Security. If McCain/Palin stay on that message for the next 50 days they will be fine.

No matter how many MTV catch words Obama orates, he has no real policy to defend against core Conservative beliefs.


22 posted on 09/16/2008 1:53:59 PM PDT by Wilder Effect
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To: goldstategop

Still not good enough.

The McCain camp needs to take off the gloves NOW and start hitting HARD.


23 posted on 09/16/2008 1:54:47 PM PDT by IL1949
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To: CatOwner

I doesn’t sound as if you are for McCain’s win actually, but if you read he is making projections not saying how it is today!


24 posted on 09/16/2008 1:55:18 PM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: CatOwner

Please Cat. Are you know going to try and discredit Mike Barone?

You are a amateur just like me, do not embarrass yourself by ripping the premier political mind in America.


25 posted on 09/16/2008 1:56:54 PM PDT by Wilder Effect
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To: bahblahbah
The McCain campaign is starting to lose it... No, they're not.
26 posted on 09/16/2008 1:57:23 PM PDT by tbpiper (Obama/Biden: Instead of Ebony and Ivory, we have Arrogance and Insolence.)
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To: CatOwner

What’s your problem? Maybe you’d serve yourself, and everyone else her better, if you’d skip reading any poll threads. You are nothing but a negative force.
Do you even post in any other thread, or just poll threads just do you can make dire predictions, and negative comments?


27 posted on 09/16/2008 1:59:38 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Dawnsblood
...they don't move toward a Democratic nominee who is proposing higher taxes, even though he says they'll hit only the rich.

Most people's taxes went down under Bush. They are told constantly that Bush's tax cuts only benefited the rich, and they know they're not rich. So, right there they know that the Rat is lying, and they know their taxes will go up if the Rat is elected. It's really not hard to figure out.

28 posted on 09/16/2008 1:59:55 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Tom Manion USMC '08!!)
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To: Always Independent

Higher taxes destroy jobs.

Simpler. Especially easier for McCain if he can string 4 coherent words together.


29 posted on 09/16/2008 2:00:18 PM PDT by mwl8787
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To: CatOwner

The “Statistical analysis of several sets of polls and the examination and study of historical American politics” flavor.

Which is quite a bit tastier than the “Litter box leavings pessimist” flavor that you seem partial to.


30 posted on 09/16/2008 2:00:58 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: CatOwner

If you disagree, please post your deconstruction of Mr. Barone’s piece. Well thought out dissents are always welcome.


31 posted on 09/16/2008 2:02:11 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: tbpiper

Polls, media bias and general elation/depression are all very nice. But don’t lose sight of the key fact...American voters are not going to put a thoroughly unqualified black in the White House. There are not enough blacks, leftists and brain dead kids to get it done.


32 posted on 09/16/2008 2:04:20 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Chet 99
“Barone knows his stuff”

Agreed. I trust his reading of elections more than any one else. He usually will break down each congressional district. I would like to see his take on the House this year.

33 posted on 09/16/2008 2:10:44 PM PDT by Tail Gunner John
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To: Nervous Tick

I believe we have a “concern troll” here ...


34 posted on 09/16/2008 2:16:38 PM PDT by JennysCool (A man who served his country well vs. a walking Che poster. Is it really that tough a choice?)
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To: CatOwner

well according to Barone’s article the following are his conclusions:

“Or to look at it another way, from Bush’s 2004 electoral vote total of 286, you now have to subtract Iowa (7), which is Obama +12 in the latest Des Moines Register poll, and maybe Colorado (9), Virginia (13), and New Mexico (5), which gets the Republican total down to 252. Or to 247, if you include Nevada (5). But in the northern tier there are 63 more electoral votes within reasonable reach of McCain in the northern tier and New Hampshire. And maybe he wants to start looking at New Jersey (15). I see Obama as competitive or leading in states with 338 electoral votes (granting him the 27 in Florida, which looks to me increasingly unlikely). I see McCain as competitive or leading in states with 342 electoral votes. Advantage shifting toward McCain.”

that apparently is the kool aid being drunk


35 posted on 09/16/2008 2:18:02 PM PDT by DM1
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To: stripes1776

Actually, I think I got a good education in my local “government” school.


36 posted on 09/16/2008 2:18:35 PM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
Actually, I think I got a good education in my local “government” school.

I am very happy that you did. But the exception does not disprove the rule.

37 posted on 09/16/2008 2:22:13 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what hall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: bahblahbah
The McCain campaign is starting to lose it... the narrative is turning against them... they need to shake things up...

You're starting to lose it... your brain cells are turning against you... you need to shake the bottle to get the last of your medication...

38 posted on 09/16/2008 3:17:30 PM PDT by impeachedrapist (On Free Republic PBD [political bipolar disorder] rules!)
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To: capt. norm; bahblahbah
This isn't the first thread on which that poster has posted that nonsense.

See here

39 posted on 09/16/2008 3:20:45 PM PDT by impeachedrapist (On Free Republic PBD [political bipolar disorder] rules!)
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To: mwl8787

I would also hit him with his phony support of the autoworkers. He pledges to bring investment to develop new technologies whereas the automakers would have plenty of money for investment if more people could be persuaded to by cars designed and made in america. He demonstrates this support by owning a Toyota Prius. Mac should make the claim that for every american car sold, an american job is saved.


40 posted on 09/16/2008 3:22:44 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: CatOwner
And what flavor Kool-Aid would that be?

Still working overtime for your Obamessiah, huh?

Oh, that's right, I forgot. You want a "Country First" yard sign, but can't find one. Then when I provide you a link, you don't even thank me! I'm hurt, deeply hurt.

Go read the article and get depressed.

41 posted on 09/16/2008 3:22:44 PM PDT by impeachedrapist (On Free Republic PBD [political bipolar disorder] rules!)
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To: mwl8787

“Higher taxes destroy jobs”

Good - let’s eliminate tax breaks for the entertainment industry and cut taxes for everyone else.


42 posted on 09/16/2008 3:27:57 PM PDT by rockthecasbah (He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat.)
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To: Dawnsblood

“Those tax increases haven’t helped those states’ economies, not so as you’d notice, though they’ve helped members of public employees unions.”

You got that right. The bureaucrat socialist pigs in Michigan are living high. Stayed recently at a motel in Grayling. MI, and Granholm’s state thieves were attending a pork conference. The lot was filled with new or nearly new pick-ups, SUVs and expensive autos.

And the liberals and RINOs in this hellhole state want higher taxes.

Then we hear the idiot voters complain there’s no jobs.


43 posted on 09/16/2008 3:31:39 PM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: CatOwner

Negatism, Pessism, doom & gloom sums up your posting history in relation to the McCain/Palin race for the WhiteHouse. (I know that’s a racist name and you’d prefer to see it repainted & renamed The Global House of Multi-cultural something).

If you want to be depressed about Obama sinking, go ahead and read/post at DU or KOS instead of bringing everyone down with you. And take that Cat of yours with you (assuming you can find it)

Note: My Pit Bull has a giant hairball dangleing off her lipsticked face and she
just swallowed something really big! Skat!


44 posted on 09/16/2008 4:01:54 PM PDT by Gemsbok (CIC means Commmander in Chief,....NOT CommunityOrganizer in Chief)
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To: All
By all means, I should leave. Heaven forbid someone here would disagree with the assessment that McCain has the inside track to the White House. Some here believe that the election will be a cakewalk or landslide for McCain.

The fact that I've been here for almost 8 years and have voted for GWB (twice) and plan to vote for McCain-Palin (for what little good it would do in CA) I guess means nothing. I don't mind the "trending" discussions. I loathe the "it's in the bag" comments.

45 posted on 09/16/2008 4:14:20 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: bahblahbah
The McCain campaign is starting to lose it... the narrative is turning against them... they need to shake things up...

You're an awfully negative poster. I've also noted that you tend to say the same (negative) thing on several threads. Your screen name is fitting. (Although, IMO, it should be blahblahblah.) [So there.]

Here, everyone: bahblahbah's whining on every thread

46 posted on 09/16/2008 4:34:36 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Nervous Tick; JennysCool; bahblahbah
...or is that just the anti-McCain boilerplate that you crap into every thread like a grackle craps on a freshly washed car?

See my Post 46. I agree with JennysCool: I believe we have a “concern troll” here ...

47 posted on 09/16/2008 4:40:39 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina; bahblahbah

>> I believe we have a “concern troll” here ...

Never a response to those that disagree, either. Just hit and run “concern”.

Well, now I know.


48 posted on 09/16/2008 4:43:25 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: CatOwner
Heaven forbid someone here would disagree with the assessment that McCain has the inside track to the White House. Some here believe that the election will be a cakewalk or landslide for McCain.

And most of us don't. As we've told you repeatedly. Yet your posts are the same. And then you're hurt when people question your sincerity? Well, I'm hurt that you didn't thank me for finding you that yard sign.

49 posted on 09/16/2008 4:51:13 PM PDT by impeachedrapist (On Free Republic PBD [political bipolar disorder] rules!)
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To: DM1

I hope Michael is right in his conclusions. It still is a very tight race. But he is a walking encyclopedia of political and election knowledge. I will be eager to hear his predictions, if he makes them, closer to election day.

I was tempted to make the trip to DC for the panel discussion on the election at American Enterprise Inst. this week. Mr Barone is one of the panelists and he is always interesting to listen to. Maybe I will go to the next election session they are having next month. That will be just 10 days or so before election day.


50 posted on 09/16/2008 4:52:33 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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