Posted on 11/26/2008 4:26:05 AM PST by dascallie
It's goofy.
Read James Taranto's Natural Born Baloney at Wall Street Journal Online to get the straight story on this web myth.
I agree he even has signs infront of him when ever he speaks as “office of the president elect” I didnt know there was such an office. Hog wash and we are all being taken for a ride.
***I just have a question: Can someone tell me why McCain’s ‘natural born’ citizenship status is being questioned? What is the basis of that argument?
I understand the Obama case but not McCain.***
It’s my understanding, though I am not a constitutional scholar, that the Constitution says a president must be a NATURAL born citizen. An example would be that someone born outside the U.S. to citizens of the U.S. would be a CITIZEN with full rights, but not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and could not become president.
“Can someone tell me why McCain’s ‘natural born’ citizenship status is being questioned? What is the basis of that argument?”
It was a feeble ‘gotcha’ attempt. McCain’s folks were both American citizens, but he was born in Panama. In that case, parents status trumped over location. In That One’s case, I think the Who’s Yer Daddy question is more important than location. I would think that IF his daddy was Kenyan, all bets are off, regardless of being born here or there or planet Kzaltz 84. Without 2 full blown American parents, That One ain’t kosher for the White House.
I’ve been following this since August and it’s getting tougher and tougher to figure all this out! Maybe it’s just me but I think some folks are getting ‘native-born’ and ‘natural-born’ confused. There is apparently a big difference. add ‘naturalized’ into the mix and no wonder it’s getting murky. (ah, but hey, they’re “just words”, right?)
Just why are Rush, Hannity, Levin, O’Really, et al silent on the BC issue?................
McCain was born in the former Panama Canal Zone, US territory. His dad was in the Navy.........................
McCain has proven his citizenship. He was born in the Panama Canal zone to two US citizen parents, so he is a natural born citizen. Questioning his status occurred at the start of the campaign when it was first mentioned that Bozo might not be a Natural born citizen, it was a smokescreen thrown up to obfuscate the issue. McCain produced a birth certificate and it was settled. However, some lefties just don't accept facts and continue to spout the lies. Bozo on the other hand has never produced anything but a forged Certification Of Live Birth, which is NOT a BC and is very obviously a fake at any rate.
Wrong - see post 24.
Your understanding is wrong. Any person born of TWO US citizens, as opposed to someone with only one US citizen parent and one alien parent, is a Natural born citizen no matter where they are born. Bozo falls into the category of not being a Natural born citizen if he was born outside of the US.
There is no difference between native born and natural born. There are only two types of US citizens, those who are natural born and those who are naturalized.
In addition to that, McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone which was a US territory at the time and born to a father who was a Naval Officer, all of which makes him a Natural born citizen no matter where he was born.
Media Matters says many have
http://mediamatters.org/items/200810230020
I found that with a Google search.
No wonder people think we are nuts.
I believe 0 needs to pony up, but we need to get our facts straight.
‘A couple of questions:
I believe originally 0bama’s shysters had to respond by Dec 1st to Berg’s lawsuit, but since Donofrio’s suit came up, has it superceded Berg’s, or have they been combined? or does zer still have to respond by Dec 1st.’
Greg Garre the Solicitor General responded to Berg’s case by waiving his right to respond. He was responding on behalf of all 3 defendants - Obama, the DNC and FEC.
There was a Washington Post article yesterday reported that Berg’s case was on the Justice’s private Conference schedule for Dec. 8.
‘I’ve been thinking about this BC issue and how Obama is trying his hardest to make it appear that he is already the actual President. I think he’s doing that on purpose to reinforce the idea and image of a President Obama. IF the Supreme Court should pursue the BC issue, and IF Obama is unable to produce absolute proof of his legitimacy, then most people will likely say, “So what? He’s already the President! Forget about it.”
There are provisions in the Constitution to address the issue of President-Elects who are not eligible. Forgetting about it is not an option. It won’t go away until SCOTUS makes a ruling one way or the other.
Makes about as much sense as anything else....
Some other questions whose answers will be pure speculation but:
When the Donofrio case is discussed on Dec 5th, what are the chances that enough justices (four I believe) will want to hear the case?
and if so, will it be before the Electoral College votes?
will they expedite the case?
can / will the SCOTUS stay the Electoral College from voting until they hear the case?
and any predictions on the outcome if they hear the case?
“Read James Taranto’s Natural Born Baloney at Wall Street Journal Online to get the straight story on this web myth.”
I suggest you read it again. Taranto’s article adds nothing to the story. All he talks about is that the case is likely to get thrown out due to lack of standing. As I mentioned in the email that I sent to him, Taranto should be addressing the central issue of whether Obama meets the qualifications to run for president.
While you are at it, you may also want to read this.
http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/22/what-is-a-natural-born-citizen-by-leo-donofrio/#comments
There is a Freeper fringe here who are holding 100% of their hope for surviving the next four years upon some piece of paper (probably convincingly faked, if need would be) that Zero's been playing keepaway with just to drive them nuts.
I'm looking forward to their rejoining the rest of us trying to figure out more practical ways of blocking Obamunism on January 20th. Or, they might just go on and on like the pathetic "selected, not elected" clowns did eight years ago.
I think Rush, Hannity, Ingraham etc. may be quiet on this issue because they see it going nowhere.
They are are aware of it, but maybe don’t want the issue pinned on them if Obama comes up with a BC.
Maybe they are sitting back and waiting to see if anything breaks on the issue.
Only the 9 justices can answers those questions.
Even if they don’t hear the Donofrio case there are other strong cases in the pipeline, such as Keyes. Others to be filed shortly from what I am told.
Would it be fair to say the only 'official' record of Obama's previous life is his version as outlined in his two books?
If so, we have no reason to trust this guy. Period.
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