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Obama to Propose Massive Greenhouse Gas Tax
Saturday, February 21, 2009 | Kristinn

Posted on 02/21/2009 5:36:16 PM PST by kristinn

Barack Hussein Obama will propose a massive business tax on greenhouse gases in his FY 2010 federal budget to be presented this week.

The massive tax increase and power grab was buried at the end on article on Obama's forthcoming budget proposal in The New York Times:

On energy policy, Mr. Obama’s budget will show new revenues by 2012 from his proposal to require companies to buy permits from the government for greenhouse gas emissions above a certain cap. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the permits would raise up to $300 billion a year by 2020.

Since companies would pass their costs on to customers, Mr. Obama would have the government use most of the revenues for relief to families to offset higher utility bills and related expenses. The remaining revenues would cover his proposals for $15 billion a year in spending and tax incentives to develop alternative energy.

The proposal is in keeping with a policy announcement candidate Obama made in 2007, as reported then by The Times:

"No business will be allowed to emit any greenhouse gases for free," Mr. Obama said in Portsmouth, N.H. "Businesses don’t own the sky, the public does, and if we want them to stop polluting it, we have to put a price on all pollution."

Obama famously said in 2008 he would make American citizens' electricity rates skyrocket under his plan:

"What I've said is that we would put a cap-and-trade system in place that is more -- that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anybody else's out there, so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

"When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know, under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.

Regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money, they will pass that money on to consumers. If you can't persuade the American people that, yes, there's going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term because of combinations of more efficient energy usage and changing lightbulbs and more efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy, that the economy will benefit. If we can't make that argument persuasively enough, you -- you can -- you can be Lyndon Johnson, you can be the master of Washington, you're not gonna get that done."

Obama, of course, has no intention of persuading the American people, he's going to ram his Marxist agenda up their tailpipes.


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1 posted on 02/21/2009 5:36:16 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn
Hussein is determined to fulfill his mission of destroying the American economy.

Just plain evil — no other word for it.

2 posted on 02/21/2009 5:38:49 PM PST by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: kristinn

Of course, this “tax” will be passed on to the consumer. Hey America! How’s that “hope and change” thing going so far!?


3 posted on 02/21/2009 5:39:08 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The media lied, America died !)
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To: kristinn

bttt


4 posted on 02/21/2009 5:39:51 PM PST by magellan
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To: kristinn

We’re already *this close* to a tax revolt in this country. This would be the straw that broke the camel’s back...


5 posted on 02/21/2009 5:40:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: kristinn
Wonderful!

On top of the burden of funding non-productive and irresponsible folks who will get all the benefit of my tax dollars, I can look forward to paying additionally for energy, which will incorporate their costs to meet the taxes they must submit to The Messiah and the Socialist crowd in D.C.

There's no end to how much it will cost those with INCOME (as opposed to those who live off others via government handouts) as we continue this "share-the-wealth" bullsh$t.

6 posted on 02/21/2009 5:40:28 PM PST by traditional1 ("The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery")
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To: kristinn

Viva la Revolucion!


7 posted on 02/21/2009 5:40:59 PM PST by stboz
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To: kristinn

Good! About time these companies are made to pay for global warming. Oh, wait a minute I work for one of these companies.


8 posted on 02/21/2009 5:41:14 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: kristinn
Mr. Obama would have the government use most of the revenues for relief to families to offset higher utility bills

Obama quote: "...electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."

Another redistribution of wealth scheme...

9 posted on 02/21/2009 5:41:24 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: kristinn

The Greenhouse Gas Tax is STEALING....plain and Simple. Americans are smarter than a 5th Grader, even if Harvard Graduates are not.

Obama should be handcuffed and prosecuted for Theft if he proceeds with this, and Pelos and Reid should go to jail with him.


10 posted on 02/21/2009 5:41:30 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: kristinn

He’s out of there and on the streets in 2 years tops.


11 posted on 02/21/2009 5:41:41 PM PST by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Thats only about $5,000 per family of 5 per year... Chum change /s


12 posted on 02/21/2009 5:42:17 PM PST by Errant
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To: kristinn

Massive, massive, massive tax increases. We are being destroyed from within! God damn these bastards!


13 posted on 02/21/2009 5:42:24 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: BenLurkin

By the end of his term there will be cameras on every street corner to enforce his wacked out policies.


14 posted on 02/21/2009 5:43:03 PM PST by hugorand
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To: kristinn


Rep. Kanjorski: $550 Billion Disappeared in "Electronic Run On the Banks"
"On Thursday Sept 15, 2008 at roughly 11 AM The Federal Reserve
noticed a tremendous draw down of money market accounts in the USA
to the tune of $550 Billion dollars in a matter of an hour or two.
Money was being removed electronically.
The treasury tried to help with $150 Billion.
But could not stem the tide.
It was an electronic run on the banks
The treasury intervened but had they not closed down the accounts
they estimated that by 2 PM that afternoon.
Within 3 hours. $5.5 Trillion would have been withdrawled
and collapsed and within 24 hours the world economy."


FLASHBACK: from 9/15/08:

“U.S. President George W. Bush said Monday he is confident
that the markets are resilient and can deal with the latest financial blows.
“We are working to reduce disruptions and minimize the impact
these financial market developments on the broader economy.” ...

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama
said eight years of Bush “brought us the most serious financial crisis
since the Great Depression.”

His Republican rival said John McCain said he was happy the
federal government decided not to use taxpayer dollars to bail out Lehman Brothers.”

How did Obama know THEN
that we would experience the ‘most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression’
when those who did not plan the takeover would not know for three more months?


October 10, 2008, another massive selloff.


Saul Alinsky, The Latter Rain: "There's another reason for working inside the system.
Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most.
Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive,
affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people.
They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost,
so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing
to let go of the past and change the future.
This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."

15 posted on 02/21/2009 5:43:43 PM PST by Diogenesis (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: kristinn
See This: Road To Serfdom
16 posted on 02/21/2009 5:43:51 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: kristinn
Good evening.

Obama to Propose Massive Greenhouse Gas Tax

If green house gas emissions are eliminated, that means people and trees will die.

For you liberals/socialists/democRATS out there, people exhale CO2, and trees inhale CO2. Ya'all are a bunch of richard craniums.

5.56mm

17 posted on 02/21/2009 5:44:06 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: kristinn

Bend over America.

May as well grab your ankles as we’re gonna be in that position for a while.


18 posted on 02/21/2009 5:44:09 PM PST by FUBO
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To: kristinn

God, Obama is tenacious isn’t he. Add this to the Cap-n-Trade program sponsored by own congress critter Rep. Rick Boucher (D - 9th Va) and utilities will be spiking way way up.

don’t ya just love it when a plan comes together.


19 posted on 02/21/2009 5:44:21 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Errant

What are you gonna do with $5k? Buy a pair of earrings?


20 posted on 02/21/2009 5:44:39 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: stboz
Viva la Revolucion!

About damn time, don't you think!

21 posted on 02/21/2009 5:44:41 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: kristinn

Forget the politically deadly reparations, they are just going to use EVERY Federal agency to redistribute the wealth to their core constituency - the “Un-Taxed.” - in other words - “Democrat Voter.”


22 posted on 02/21/2009 5:45:15 PM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: stboz
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.>/b>

23 posted on 02/21/2009 5:45:34 PM PST by stboz
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To: kristinn
More unconstitutional wealth redistribution.

But then, someone has to pay for the Reparations Stimulus package.
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24 posted on 02/21/2009 5:45:54 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: traditional1
On top of the burden of funding non-productive and irresponsible folks who will get all the benefit of my tax dollars, I can look forward to paying additionally for energy, which will incorporate their costs to meet the taxes they must submit to The Messiah and the Socialist crowd in D.C.

Didn't you hear about the wonderful tax break the Kenyan in Chief just gave you??? Geez...what're you gonna do, blow all of that $30 a month on other necessities?

25 posted on 02/21/2009 5:47:47 PM PST by digger48
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To: kristinn

I was invited by a friend to a lunch with a Democrat this week - an influential one. Six words sum it up:

Nationalize banks, gasoline tax, carbon tax.

That was on Tuesday. The whole agenda played out during the week.


26 posted on 02/21/2009 5:49:01 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: kristinn
Please consider asking your state legislature to call a constitutional convention to:

1. Ratification of an amendment repealing the 16th amendment.

2. Grant states sole responsibility for the collection of taxes from individual citizens and business except for tariffs.

3. Restrict congress from creating any law or taxes not specifically related to granted authorities as defined by the constitution.

Currently approximately 2/3 of the States are Red States. A 3/4ths majority is what would be required to ratify the constitution but it is doable!

The 16th amendment gave birth to the Federal Government monster and the states are the ONLY entity that can possibly reign in the feds.

If it can be repealed we will have a much better chance of stopping the destruction of America. As part of the act of repeal, congress may not create any law not specifically related to its constitutionally authority.

Now is the time. The polls indicate a very low congressional approval? Most everyone agrees that Congress has overstepped its mandate considerably.

Almost half of the state legislatures are considering or have representatives preparing to introduce resolutions which reassert the principles of the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution and the idea that federal power is strictly limited to specific areas detailed in the Constitution and that all other governmental authority rests with the states.

Now is the time!!

27 posted on 02/21/2009 5:49:31 PM PST by Errant
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To: kristinn

All this crap will be passed onto customers. Wonder if all the Obamatons thought this is what they were voting for?

Turns out the hope and change from the campaign is turning out to be “I hope I have some change left” after Obama is done raping my wallet.

A new term from the Obama administration: Wallet rape. Say it with me: WALLET RAPE


28 posted on 02/21/2009 5:49:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: kristinn
Obama would have the government use most of the revenues for relief to families to offset higher utility bills and related expenses.

Oh I really believe that !

29 posted on 02/21/2009 5:51:05 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: M Kehoe
Green plants release CO2 during the night as part of normal respiration/metabolism of internally stored carbohydrates.
30 posted on 02/21/2009 5:51:09 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

LOL - to keep from crying!


31 posted on 02/21/2009 5:51:29 PM PST by Errant
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To: kristinn

What’s next? A fart tax?


32 posted on 02/21/2009 5:52:09 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: hugorand
By the end of his term there will be cameras on every street corner to enforce his wacked out policies

Target rich environment.

33 posted on 02/21/2009 5:55:06 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: kristinn

34 posted on 02/21/2009 5:56:01 PM PST by mylife (The Roar of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LottieDah

See Section 1776 Para. 666.43 Subsection(z) of the above mention CC Act of March 2009 (or maybe April). It is included...


35 posted on 02/21/2009 5:56:08 PM PST by Errant
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To: kristinn
So if I'm reading this right, the "polluters" can continue "polluting" the planet as long as they pay the U.S. Government to do it? This is very reminiscent of the "big tobacco" scam. "Secondhand smoke" is supposedly killing people but it's okay to continue killing them as long as you pay a tax to the government to cover the costs of Communist healthcare.

Hey America! Time to wake up!

36 posted on 02/21/2009 5:56:15 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The media lied, America died !)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s time to act. The time for talking is over.


37 posted on 02/21/2009 5:56:36 PM PST by steveyp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We’re already *this close* to a tax revolt in this country. This would be the straw that broke the camel’s back...

2 years of Obama, people will have had enough of "change" that will result in a 60+ seat House landslide loss for the rats.

38 posted on 02/21/2009 5:58:01 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: kristinn

Crush those EEEVIL businesses! That will revive the economy.


39 posted on 02/21/2009 5:58:26 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: Errant

Can see that the piddly “Tax relief” they’re supposedly putting in pay checks is going to go a long way toward paying that $5000...and the 101 other taxes 0’s gonna dump on us.


40 posted on 02/21/2009 5:58:38 PM PST by madison10
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To: Myrddin
Green plants release CO2 during the night as part of normal respiration/metabolism of internally stored carbohydrates.

In minimal amounts. You know as well as I do, the process of photo synthesis...nevermind, what is the point of your post?

5.56mm

41 posted on 02/21/2009 5:59:10 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Dallas59

He’s out of there and on the streets in 2 years tops.
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I wish. But how ?


42 posted on 02/21/2009 5:59:34 PM PST by unkus
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To: kristinn

If carbon emissions are a problem outlaw them, why the F would you have businesses pay the government for them? This is all so insane.


43 posted on 02/21/2009 6:00:45 PM PST by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: M Kehoe

5.56mm
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Yep!


44 posted on 02/21/2009 6:00:52 PM PST by unkus
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To: BenLurkin

Obama and the Socialist Congress are well on their way to destroying capitalism and freedom. They intend to resurrect the USSR here in the USA.


45 posted on 02/21/2009 6:01:47 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: kristinn
Barack Hussein Obama will propose a massive business tax on greenhouse gases in his FY 2010 federal budget to be presented this week.

Ah ... so this is Obama's plan to destroy the transportation industry.

So will Air Force One be forced to pay a tax for the CO2 it generates? How about all federal equipment??

Fedex and UPS and every truck line will go out of business on this one.

46 posted on 02/21/2009 6:02:08 PM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: kristinn

Folks it is just beginning. You have not seen nothing yet.


47 posted on 02/21/2009 6:02:13 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: Williams

Not to mention that humans actually exhale C02. Taxed for breathing.


48 posted on 02/21/2009 6:02:19 PM PST by hugorand
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To: All

Relax, guys. The tax will be implemented only if these businesses EXCEED a certain amount of gases.


49 posted on 02/21/2009 6:03:15 PM PST by Kleebo151
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To: madison10
Yes and of the 300 Billion per year that would supposedly be collected, 299.999 will have to go to the bureaucracy needed to administer this new IRS style organization.
50 posted on 02/21/2009 6:03:44 PM PST by Errant
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