Posted on 03/12/2009 7:47:44 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
There are at least five ways that Barack Obama can be declared ineligible for the presidency. Here is a list:
1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue, Obama refuses to release it.
2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.
3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted. His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian. He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?
4. Mother's age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth.
5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.
Obama supporters have unrealistically simplified this issue down to the COLB. There are possibly more issues out there still to be investigated, perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB, etc.
I think that those who are bringing this issue to the attention of the courts need to step back and address the big picture first and then fill in the details.
Are there other potentially disqualifying factors missing from this list?
The COLB he showed is just as certified and real as the vault copy and just as good for proving his birth in the US.
If the A-Hole refused to show it and has spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars to prevent the EXOPSURE of his REAL Birth Certificate, it is only natural to assume that he has a LOT TO HIDE.
There's no evidence he's spent a dime.
Prove me wrong!
The burden of proof is on you since you are the one making the accusations.
You can not get a U.S. Passport or, in most States a driver’s licence without your REAL Birth Certificate.
I deal only in facts, not BULL S-IT!
Here are the FACTS! http://passportsusa.com/?page_id=209
“...Notice that both of these Hawaiian birth certificates were re-issued. This happens people lose their birth certificates all the time. But the first one does not have a witness or hospital that can validate that individual’s place of birth. That one will cause you problems if you want a U. S. passport. Make sure your birth certificate has all the required information...”
http://passportsusa.com/?page_id=209
“Yeah, his father was a real SOB. Bigamist, drunkard, abandons his son, etc.”
Sounds like a Democrat Osama voter also.
1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue.
Not ture. The COLB posted on his website is just as good as any other document when it comes proving birth in the US. The State department accepts it, as does any court in the US.
I SIMPLY SAID THAT IT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL WAYS THAT HE COULD BE INELIGIBLE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. WHY WILL HE NOT RELEASE HIS ORGNAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? NO HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAS A RECORD OF TREATING A STANLEY ANN DUNHAM. BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SISTER, THEY CLAIM HE WAS BORN IN TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS, NEITHER OF WHICH HAS A RECORD. FURTHER, THE COLB HAS A 2007-STYLE BORDER THAT APPEARS TO BE PHOTOSHOPPED, ONE EXPERT SAYS THIS IS A PHOTOSHOPPED VERSION OF HIS SISTER’S COLB.
2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.
He did have dual citizenship at birth, which lapsed when he turned 18. He’s admitted that. However, it is irrelevant. If you disagree, please find the passage in the Constitution that prohibits people who had dual citizenship as babies from being president.
THIS IS ALSO THE BASIS FOR SEVERAL LAWSUITS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT IT TO BE RESEARCHED AND TRUE.
3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted.
Not true. First of all, there is no evidence he was adopted. Second, even if he was, both US and Indonesian law at the time made it impossible for him to have acquired dual citizenship by virtue of adoption.
INDONESIA WAS A DICTATORSHIP AT THE TIME, NO ONE CAME IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT PROPER VISAS, NO ONE ENROLLED IN SCHOOLS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP. REMEMBER, HIS NAME WAS BARRY SAETORO AT THAT TIME.
His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian.
A single document from a private school lists his citizenship as Indoensian. Assuming the document is authentic (and there’s a good possibility it is not), then it is in error for the reason stated above.
People do, you know, make mistakes when filling out documents.
THEN BARRY OR HIS PARENTS SHOULD HAVE HAD IT CORRECTED, EVEN LONG AFTER THE FACT.
He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?
There is no reason to believe he traveled on any passport other than a US passport.
PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.
4. Mother’s age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama’s birth.
True, but a moot point, since there is no evidence he was born anywhere other than Hawaiii.
OTHER THAN KENYAN GRANDMOTHER, HALF SISTER, AND A HOST OF KENYAN OFFICIALS WHO INDICATE OTHERWISE.
5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.
Irrelevant, since under both US and Indonesian law, he never lost his US citizenship.
SEE ABOVE.
OBAMA HAS NOW SPENT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN LAWYER FEES TRYING TO FEND OFF SOMETHING THAT A SIMPLE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD DISPROVE. WHY WILL HE NOT PRODUCE IT, NOT TO MENTION HIS PASSPORT, HIS COLLEGE RECORDS AND MEDICAL RECORDS? EVEN THE MOST NAIVE AMONG US SHOULD QUESTION THESE IRREGULARITIES. IT SHOULD BE AN OPEN AND CLOSED CASE. SORRY, A QUESTIONABLE COLB DOES NOT GET IT.
Um, a retired FBI documents expert has stated in deposition in the Keyes CA case that the document posted on the web is unacceptable proof of anything Barry is trying to claim.
7. Illegal Alien - When Stanley Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, she became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian marriage law; when Lolo formally adopted Stanley's son, barry/Barack became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian adoption law. After divorcing Lolo, Stanley and her son simply moved back to Honolulu without going through Immigration -- either through Stanley's ignorance of their status, or in defiance of the law. Barry/Barack never legally re-entered the United States, and has been living in this country since his teens as an illegal alien.
What would it mean if the Obamaessiah used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan? What would be the significance if Obambi cited himself a foreign student to obtain student aide and tuition breaks? How would it effect his allegiance to the Republic if he gamed several systems by using ‘other’ citizenship, then claims U.S. natural born citizenship to be the president? ... All of these legitimate questions are factors of why We The People have a right to demand this lying sack of shiite prove he is a natural born citizen and out Subpreme court clarify the definition of same! BUT, men like Roberts seem to think We The People do not have thet right now, in this post Constitutional Republic.
Thank you. Good points both.
The other issue about the COLB is that there is a different standard for the office of President. A Hawaii COLB might get you a driver’s license or a government job, but it does not meet the standard for the presidency.
These links go to "friend of a friend" type comments. I'm not saying that it didn't happen that way, but these aren't sufficient evidence to take to an argument with a coworker or family member.
The email at one link has
Ann Durken, mother of Obama, at age 18 visited Cuba , with a group to give support to the Castro government. During her stay in Cuba in 1960, she was involved with voluntary work living in a commune in the central zone of Cuba, where she met a young Cuban Francisco Cundo from the town of Sagua la Grande....When Ann left Cuba in Dec 1960, she was 2 months pregnant. When she went back to Hawaii where her parents lived, she continued her studies at the University of Hawaii in Manoa where she met Barack Obama Sr., with whom she married in Feb. 1961It doesn't inspire confidence that they misspell Dunham's name.
PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.
I must sound like this is on "repeat" and it may get me flamed, but this has been found not correct. There was no US restriction on travel to Pakistan, and several people have posted clear evidence of that. There was a travel advisory which told people that they needed visas to get into Pakistan, and the problems with renewing those visas.
It does us no good to keep repeating points that have been shown to be incorrect.
Um, did Stanley Ann use an alias to travel to Cuba, perhaps ‘Durken’?
An ad in the NYT for travel to Pakistan is not evidence. Sorry you feel it is. And I have a brother who traveled to Pakistan in that time frame on opthamological business and his hoops to jump through—finally getting approval from Paklistan—testify that it was not a simple task to travel to Pakistan while it was under Martial Law.
Welcome to FR, n00b.
Because he probably doesn't have it. I don't have mine. The original is in the vault in Hawaii. All he can do is request a certified copy of the information on it, which is the COLB he posted on the internet.
NO HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAS A RECORD OF TREATING A STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.
Hospitals usually don't keep records for 40 years.
BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SISTER, THEY CLAIM HE WAS BORN IN TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS, NEITHER OF WHICH HAS A RECORD.
Another unsubstantiated internet rumor.
THE COLB HAS A 2007-STYLE BORDER THAT APPEARS TO BE PHOTOSHOPPED, ONE EXPERT SAYS THIS IS A PHOTOSHOPPED VERSION OF HIS SISTER’S COLB.
Some guy on the internet, who refuses to use his real name, and who claims a Ph.D. in an academic discipline hat does not exist hardly qualifies as an expert.
THIS IS ALSO THE BASIS FOR SEVERAL LAWSUITS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT IT TO BE RESEARCHED AND TRUE.
LOL. Yeah, it's so factual and true just about every lawsuit filed on that basis has been dismissed.
You make a big mistake if assume every lawsuit is well-researched.
INDONESIA WAS A DICTATORSHIP AT THE TIME, NO ONE CAME IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT PROPER VISAS,
Yes, there's little doubt he had a proper visa. That doesn't mean he became an Indonesian citizen.
NO ONE ENROLLED IN SCHOOLS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP. THEN BARRY OR HIS PARENTS SHOULD HAVE HAD IT CORRECTED, EVEN LONG AFTER THE FACT.
How do you know they didn't? You will note that in the AP photo, someone drew a red line diagonally through the form, as if to invalidate it.
Furthermore, even if the form was never corrected, how do you know it wasn't an honest mistake that neither of Bambi's parnets thought needed correcting?
People do make honest mistakes, you know.
PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.
No it wasn't. Do you ever bother to verify anything you read on the 'net?
OTHER THAN KENYAN GRANDMOTHER,
She never said he was born in Kenya. On the contrary, she is on record in multiple places as saying he was born in Hawaii. Do some research.
HALF SISTER,
I defy you to find a single shred of evidence that either his half sister or any other member of his family claimed he was born in Kenya.
AND A HOST OF KENYAN OFFICIALS WHO INDICATE OTHERWISE
Not a single Kenyan official is on record as claiming he was born in Kenya.
And no, the Kenyan ambassador's interview with that shock-jock talk radioshow host does not count. The ambassodor very clearly later stated after the interview that he mispoke, and that he did not intend to claim Obama was born in Kenya.
OBAMA HAS NOW SPENT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN LAWYER FEES TRYING TO FEND OFF SOMETHING THAT A SIMPLE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD DISPROVE.
More unsubstantiated internet rumors.
I'm really curious where this million dollar figure has come from. Where did you hear of it?
Your link goes to show, yet again, how you can't believe everything you read on the internet.
You will note, that the website is not in any way affiliated with the US state department or any other government agency. That makes any information on it highly suspect. It turns out that it is wrong.
The facts from the state department are as follows:
"A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth."
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
The Hawaii COLB has all of these things.
That is simply not true. I'm amazed at how many factoids that somebody just made up get accepted as gospel around here.
Isn’t it interesting that this obamanoid klown is touting the forgery posted on the Internet as Obama’s proof of natral born citizenship! What does it say about a lying sack of shiite when his minions must lie and promote forgeries in order to defend their demigod? ... And what does it say about the minions!
“A single document from a private school lists his citizenship as Indoensian. Assuming the document is authentic (and there’s a good possibility it is not), then it is in error for the reason stated above.
People do, you know, make mistakes when filling out documents.”
You have the temerity to write this, and you are willing to credulously accept that fake ass COLB as proof of Hussein’s citizenship??? Were your complicity in covering for Hussein’s crimes not so glaringly apparent, I would be amazed. But your response is PRECISELY why this issue needs to be bought before an appropriate ccourt of law, with all witnesses under oath, subject to cross examination and the documents or certified copies therof subject to examination.
But than again, your side seeks to block such an eventuality on the grounds of legal frivolity or harrasment, rather than the distressing (to you and yours) likelihood that the truth will get Hussein’s lying counterfeit ass kicked out of office.
"perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB?"
Don't ya just love it when people are right on top of things, don't ya? I mean, it's only been 10 months.
Good points made here. It’s very doubtful that Obama is eligible at all.
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