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The Permian Extinction: Good Science, Bad Assumptions
ICR ^ | March 21, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 03/21/2009 1:02:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

The Permian Extinction: Good Science, Bad Assumptions

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Ninety percent of marine and 70 percent of terrestrial creatures perished suddenly in an event variously called the Permian extinction, the Permian–Triassic (P-Tr) extinction, or the Great Dying. The calamity’s cause, referred to as the K-T event, remains unknown, even though asteroid impact has been in vogue.

At least, this is the account that has been repeated for several decades. Now, a recently-published study is showing that evidence of the Permian extinction is not limited to a single rock stratum.1 The whole story must be rewritten...

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; junkscience; oldearthspeculation; permianextinction; theskyisfalling; waronfaith
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To: GodGunsGuts

http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/20070311.htm

This is as close as I can come, right now.

I’m off to church!


21 posted on 03/21/2009 1:56:40 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: uncommonsense
Drive a Prius on dry land and see how many people pass you and deliver a very special salute as they speed by!
22 posted on 03/21/2009 1:58:17 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric; null and void

Oh, come on guys... I just grabbed the first small car name I had in short term memory. Ok, drive any 3,000 lb passenger car thru a few inches of fast running water and you’ll experience the power of a flood (no, I have no direct experience). Scale that up to a global flood and it’s easy to see how vast portions of marine life could be buried / annihilated since most life is close to the surface and not too far from major land masses.


23 posted on 03/21/2009 2:15:45 PM PDT by uncommonsense
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To: uncommonsense

Amen.

{Just a little humor on my part.}

Now I’m late for church!!


24 posted on 03/21/2009 2:19:27 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: GodGunsGuts

Nah!

It happened before 1/20/09 so you guessed it...

IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!


25 posted on 03/21/2009 2:27:07 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
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To: GodGunsGuts

Different rocks are forming at the same time. A sandstone can be forming at the same time as a limestone or a shale.

It dpends on the local depositional environment.

What would be odd is if the Permian extinction was found in only one particular type of rock. It should be found in all rocks formed during that period.

And it is.


26 posted on 03/21/2009 2:33:25 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GodGunsGuts

Some of those flood traditions are listed in The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, easily accessed on-line.
But where do you think all the water came from? I know. We’ve discussed this before but not in connection with The Deluge, as I recall.


27 posted on 03/21/2009 2:43:32 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Well we know that the fountains of the great deep opened, we also know that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, and I have also read speculation that comets may have also been involved. Where do you think all the water came from?


28 posted on 03/21/2009 2:50:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change

There was a .. what would you call it,, a vapor canopy that surrounded the Earth, and all that water came crashing down,, least thats what I’ve thought anyway...


29 posted on 03/21/2009 2:52:43 PM PDT by Mmogamer (<This space for lease>)
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To: Cedric
Isn’t the Chinese pictograph for “flood” a boat (or vessel) plus the symbol for eight people (literally “mouths”)?

No. Feel free to confirm here.

30 posted on 03/21/2009 2:59:56 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Mmogamer
And all this water receded where? It didn't go back to being a vapor canopy.

Where was this drain that the floodwaters flowed into so that dry land could be exposed again?

Remember, to flood the earth, we need water over 5 miles higher than the current sea level.

31 posted on 03/21/2009 3:04:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: ruiner
I thought that first sentence looked funny. It's been years since I've read Jurassic Park, but I remember the K-T event was at the end of the Cretaceous, and the Triassic was a couple of aeons or ages or epochs or whatever before that. Why should one trust an article that gets such a simple fact of prehistory wrong?

I wonder what Mr. Thomas's MS is in, and where he got it?

32 posted on 03/21/2009 3:08:10 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze
Probably the answer to my question: http://www.icr.edu/home/

"Pursuant to California and Federal law, ICRGS currently offers an M.S. in Science Education, mostly online, to qualified students who are not Texas residents. ICR is currently examining its legal options regarding how it can best serve the educational 'gaps' of Texas residents."

I'ma gonna buy my own .edu domain and give myself a master's degree so I can start dropping post-nominals on my sig line.

Caesar Soze, MSBS

33 posted on 03/21/2009 3:14:51 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze

The Permian/Triassic boundary is correct. There was also a Jurassic/Cretaceous boundary and then a Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary.

This article ridiculously spins the already known and predictable facts about the Permian extinction, but I think it’s at least talking about the correct geologic era.


34 posted on 03/21/2009 3:16:05 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GodGunsGuts

My ex-wife micropaleontologist is working on the P-T boundary, and this new info that the extinction spanned a long time period is electrifying the world-wide paleontology community in a positive way, pointing them to exciting new research and ideas. But I’m sorry, they aren’t huddled in a atheistic conspiracy to keep any mention of Noah’s Flood out of consideration - just like NTSB accident investigators aren’t in a consipiracy to prevent Satan from being considered as a possible cause of air crashes.


35 posted on 03/21/2009 3:18:14 PM PDT by PC99
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To: PC99

Hmmm...I just reread the article, and wouldn’t ya know it, the author didn’t mention the word “conspiracy” once. He said this new discovery is good science marred by bad assumptions. BIG DIFFERENCE!


36 posted on 03/21/2009 3:22:05 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; Mmogamer

Well, the apostle Peter said that there was an earth standing in the midst of water and out of water and by those (notice the phrase) means the world of that time suffered destruction.

I think the “water above the expanse” of Gen. 1:8 is that water that fell during the Deluge and which Peter talks about. (2 Peter 3:5,6)


37 posted on 03/21/2009 3:27:23 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Interesting verse:

2 Peter 3:5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,

This is one of the verses that Dr. Humphreys bases his white hole cosmology on, in which he proposes that God may have created the Earth (and possibly the entire Universe of stars and planets) out of water :o)


38 posted on 03/21/2009 4:38:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Dog Gone
Water has weight and lots of water has lots of weight so what would the effect of the great weight of all that water on the crust of the earth be?
Possibly depress some areas like the miles deep ocean trenches and pushing up other areas like mountains.

So, remember just as glaciers push down the land under them so might water in sufficient quantities and who says the mountains and sea levels had the same height differential before the Deluge as now?

39 posted on 03/21/2009 4:59:46 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Right. And the Tigris and Euphrates rivers are mentioned both BEFORE and AFTER the Flood.

Like the rest of the world changed dramatically, but those two rivers weren’t affected.


40 posted on 03/21/2009 5:09:47 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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