Attempt to debunk Obama's Kenyan birth certificate debunked (Barry name change legal?)

Examiner.com ^ | August 5, 2009 | Geoff Linsley

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Along with the introduction of what appears to be the most valid-looking Obama birth certificate came an almost immediate attempt to debunk it. This attempt was immediately eaten up by MSNBC, Obama’s main propaganda network, by hosts like Keith Olbermann.

 

The main argument of this attempt to debunk the certificate is that Kenya hadn’t yet become a republic at the time the document was dated: Feb 14, 1964. The argument is that Kenya was officially declared a republic in December of that year.

The second most important argument is that the region he was born in wasn’t called Mombasa at the time: it was instead Zanzibar.

Another argument is that the hospital he was supposedly born in was called “Coast Provincial General Hospital,” yet the document says “Coast General Hospital.”

One more argument is that his father’s address has within it “Nyanza Province,” but at the time it would have been called “Central Nyanza District.”

The final argument is that his father would have been 24 or 25 at the time, not 26, as the document states.

 

There are other suspicious, circumstantial arguments, too.

The document number is said to be 47O44, seemingly a compilation of his age as of the time the document was obtained “47,” his presidential order “44,” and an O for Obama.

Also, the Signature of the Registrar’s name is E.F. Lavender, an abbreviation of a name of detergent called “Earth Friendly Lavender.”

 

At first look, this seems like a lot of evidence that the document is a forgery. That is, until we actually take the time to dissect these claims.

 

Kenya was first announced as the “Republic of Kenya” in the country’s Constitution, dated Dec. 12, 1963. It is claimed that everything wasn’t official with the name change until Dec. 1964, which is true; however, it took a year to make this gradual change. It didn’t happen in one day. "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state…" The 1964 date that people are confusing involves an act of the British Parliament in regard to the Commonwealth of Nations, not the origin of the Republic.

 

The “Central Nyanza District” argument is just total hogwash. The area changed names to “Nyanza Province” even before his dad was born there.

 

The absence of “Provincial” in the hospital’s name is irrelevant. You can find it named with and without that word in its title from multiple sources.

 

Mombasa became part of Kenya in 1963, so having the document obtained in 1964 would require a name change of his place of origin from Zanzibar to Mombasa.

Barack Obama, Jr. was born in Aug., 1961.    Barack Obama, Sr.’s birthday is more obscure. It is said he was born in 1936, but no specific date is given. If this is true, it would make him 25. As the actual date is obscure, it doesn’t appear to be a huge dilemma that he may have been born instead in 1935. In addition, birth certificates aren’t necessary for the creation of new ones. Am I off-base to think Barack Jr. may have learned his trick of birth secrecy from someone?

 

Well that sums up the important arguments. Now for the circumstantial ones.

 

I don’t really even understand what is funny about having “E. F. Lavender” as a Registrar. Couldn’t a forger have come up with a funnier name? What does a dish detergent have to do with any of this? Do people think no one is named E.F. Lavender? Here’s a picture of Eric Lavender in Uganda, which neighbors Kenya. Maybe this is the guy? One guy even told me he saw Registrar Lavender’s plaque in the Registrar’s office. I guess I don’t even understand why people consider this an issue. If I were forging the document, I’d rather put a funnier, more relevant name in that slot, like B. M. Helfmovment.

 

The only interesting thing about the birth certificate to me is the file number, but even this has been fudged slightly. It is said that the number is “47O44” from propaganda issuers like Keith Olbermann. There is no O in the number, it’s a 0. That’s zero if you still can’t tell the difference. I admit the other numbers are coincidental, but I think it is far too assumptive to mean they discredit anything. I know I’ve had much bigger coincidences happen in my life.

 

The goal of this article is not to say that the birth certificate is 100% authentic. It may be a hoax. The goal of the article is to show that the Obama sheeple are clinging to debunking propaganda, which for all we know may have been initiated by the Obama campaign itself, in order to try to maintain the idea that their leader is innocent. We don’t know if it’s legitimate, yet. But right now, the birth certificate has not been properly debunked. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. Taitz’s court date is set for December. Other lawyers from across the country are on top of many of the other issues regarding the birth certificate problem.

 

Many sheeple have been questioning why the birthers have been claiming that this might be real when it is a copy and not the original, like the Hawaiian one birthers want to see. The reason is that this is a copy of an actual registration. The Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth isn’t a copy of a real birth certificate. They could be obtained by citizens who weren’t naturally born. Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was born in Indonesia. No one disputes this. Guess what? She has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth, too.  How can this be? Hawaiian law didn’t require people to be natural born citizens, born in Hawaii, in order to obtain one. Therefore, Obama hasn’t showed anything resembling proof of his citizenship. This is why this birther thing is still an issue! How can it be solved? All that is required to put all of this to rest is for Obama to give Hawaii permission, in his presidential capacity, to show people the long-form certificate. It’s that simple to resolve. So, why all the secrecy?

 

How did it all start? It started when Obama was caught using fake birth certificates with aliases like Barry Soetoro and Barry Dunham, which caused people to question who he was. There is also evidence that he never legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama. If this is found true, Obama may be guilty of several counts of fraud!

 

The birther issue is not about race. It’s about the law. Birthers do have motivation, but it is generally rooted in politics, not race. This is not to say that some aren’t racist, but it is just pure ignorance to claim that all of them are. My motivation, for example, is that I don’t like Obama’s communist ideals. I’m a libertarian. Right-wingers like the idea of freedom and limited government. We aren’t nuts or racist because of this. I personally believe that, if left unchecked, the Obama administration would destroy many of the last vestiges of freedom in this country. To me, he is like Bush, but worse. Just look at what he’s doing in Afghanistan. This is an acceleration of Bush’s failed policies! Why can’t people see past Olbermann and MSNBC’s lies and see what’s right in front of them?

[nikos1121]

RASSMUSSEN HAS HIM AT -8 TODAY!!!!!!!

[agere_contra]

The Orly B/C isn’t a forgery based on the Bomford B/C.

It might very well turn out to be a forgery - that’s why it need to be authenticated against the registry.

But its not a forgery just because somebody made their own fake.

Neither it is a forgery just because somebody else made a version with different letters and numbers.

And if a thousand gaywads from SomethingAwful make a thousand new forgeries tomorrow, each with its own spectacular backstory, that still doesn’t reflect on the authenticity or otherwise of the Orly B/C

[SvenMagnussen]

Attorney Phil Berg announced in Oct. 2008 Soetoro/Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

He was ignored.

Attorney Orly Taitz published a photograph of a birth registration showing Obama born in Mombasa, Kenya.

She was ridiculed.

It’s worth an investigation. It is likely Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

[agere_contra]

The Orly B/C isn’t a forgery based on the Bomford B/C.

It might very well turn out to be a forgery - that’s why it need to be authenticated against the registry.

But its not a forgery just because somebody made their own fake.

Neither it is a forgery just because somebody else made a version with different letters and numbers.

And if a thousand gaywads from SomethingAwful make a thousand new forgeries tomorrow, each with its own spectacular backstory, that still doesn’t reflect on the authenticity or otherwise of the Orly B/C

[Andy from Chapel Hill]

One thing that may have passed by me (many things do...), but is there any evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was pregnant?

On another thread, there was a fleeting mention of BHO being adopted, which would explain how some of the Hawaiian statements are worded.

Just checking all assumptions.

[RWGinger]

This from article, “It started when Obama was caught using fake birth certificates with aliases like Barry Soetoro and Barry Dunham, which caused people to question who he was.”

When did this happen? If there are birth certificates with those names on it even the MSM would have to report that.

We knoe he had lied repeatedly and we know there is something he wants ketp hidden. I just hope people keep trying to find out.

[RWGinger]

This from article, “It started when Obama was caught using fake birth certificates with aliases like Barry Soetoro and Barry Dunham, which caused people to question who he was.”

When did this happen? If there are birth certificates with those names on it even the MSM would have to report that.

We knoe he had lied repeatedly and we know there is something he wants ketp hidden. I just hope people keep trying to find out.

[Manic_Episode]

Great article. Way too early for dismissal. I believe there is a high likelihood this is genuine.

[ladyjane]

A real moonbats are those who think it’s normal for an elected official to hide and lie about his past.

[PA Engineer]

When did Barry Soetoro legally change his name to Barack Obama?

This was something I was not aware of. Very good summary.

[conservativegramma]

People are missing the point on this one. It doesn't matter whether it is real or not. What we now have are two conflicting pieces of digital evidence ( Obamas COLB and the Kenyan BC ). The only way for the judge in CA to resolve this is to order discovery of the actual hard copies from Hawaii ( he can have the State Department request them from Kenya, but in all reality, they don't have to comply ). The main reason for producing this document now is to force production of the Hawaii BC.

Bingo! Exactly!!

[Tirian]

hear hear!

[Fractal Trader]

but is there any evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was pregnant?

It is interesting to note that there are several accounts of BHO senior by friends, colleagues, and the like, and he never mentions his marriage to Stanley or child. However, the evidence of her friends in Seattle in 1961 (See Corsi's article on WND) is that Stanley TALKED about BHO Senior being the father of the child on several different occcasions.

Personally, I would like to believe that Frank Marshal is the father, but I have seen no evidence to support that. Also, when he first visited Kenya, he was pleasantly embraced by the Obama family and there are many Kenyans, including is aunt and half-brothers who clearly believe that they are related to him.

What I find interesting is that she got pregnant after allegedly knowing BHO senior for one month! However, there is a fair amount of evidence that Stanley's father had known BHO senior for a long time -- he apparently met him as he came off the boat in Hawaii! (Fred Nerks has posted about this.

What most people don't really seem to get is that the Dunham family were all rabid marxists/socialists for all their lives and that the people that they hung out with in Hawaii were all of this same ilk ("fellow travelers"). As far as I can tell, BHO junior has spent most of his like hanging out with these types of people -- Marshall and company in Hawaii, Pakistani friends at Occidental and Columbia, his recommendation to Harvard Law School by a known radical black activist, spending time as a "community organizer, belonging to Wright's afro-centric church. They say that birds of a feather flock together, and BHO junior seems to have spent most of his life hanging out with Marxist flocks.

[mad_as_he$$]

In Kalifornia it is perfectly legal (well it used to be) to just change your name. All you have to do is publish it in a legal journal of record. The kicker is that there “MUST BE NO INTENT TO DEFRAUD”.

[steve-b]

is there any evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was pregnant?

Andrew Sullivan's lawyer on Line 2 -- something about plaigarizing his client's conspiracy-theory intellectual property....

[DMZFrank]

I really don’t know what you are referring to. WE want the help of the courts and the State Dept. To determine whether or not this document is AUTHENTIC. IF it is, great. If not, we will have to eat Crow, but most of the birthers that I know have not vouched for it one way or the other. It is an open question untill any validation.

Are you afraid of a legitimate inquiry? If this thing is fake, it furthers the goal of delegitimizing the birthers. If real, well the SHTF, and this lying crypto-marxist demagogue will meet his Waterloo.

[spacejunkie2001]

We’re fairly certain he WAS adopted, by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and became a citizen of Indonesia.

[jamese777]

“We’re fairly certain he WAS adopted, by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and became a citizen of Indonesia.”

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Unfortunately no adoption papers have yet emerged and when Lolo Soetoro registered Barry at St Francis di Assisi Catholic School in Jakarta, Indonesia in 1967, he listed Barry’s birth place and birth date as Honolulu, Hawaii,and August 4, 1961.
A minor born in the United States does not lose US citizenship. In order to lose US citizenship, an adult has to renounce their US citizenship by an act of renunciation such as surrendering a passport or voting in a foreign election.

[TXnMA]

So...you believe that Øbama deserves -- and is Constitutionally qualfied -- to remain in our White House?

[jamese777]

So...you believe that Øbama deserves — and is Constitutionally qualfied — to remain in our White House?

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I believe that.
In the America I know all persons including Presidents are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by judge and/or jury.

The way to remove President Barack Hussein Obama II from the White House is to defeat him at the polls in 2012 or have him indicted by a Grand Jury for forgery or fraud, have him impeached by the House of Representatives then tried, convicted and removed from office by a trial in the US Senate. Either/or.