Attempt to debunk Obama's Kenyan birth certificate debunked (Barry name change legal?)

Examiner.com ^ | August 5, 2009 | Geoff Linsley

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Along with the introduction of what appears to be the most valid-looking Obama birth certificate came an almost immediate attempt to debunk it. This attempt was immediately eaten up by MSNBC, Obama’s main propaganda network, by hosts like Keith Olbermann.

 

The main argument of this attempt to debunk the certificate is that Kenya hadn’t yet become a republic at the time the document was dated: Feb 14, 1964. The argument is that Kenya was officially declared a republic in December of that year.

The second most important argument is that the region he was born in wasn’t called Mombasa at the time: it was instead Zanzibar.

Another argument is that the hospital he was supposedly born in was called “Coast Provincial General Hospital,” yet the document says “Coast General Hospital.”

One more argument is that his father’s address has within it “Nyanza Province,” but at the time it would have been called “Central Nyanza District.”

The final argument is that his father would have been 24 or 25 at the time, not 26, as the document states.

 

There are other suspicious, circumstantial arguments, too.

The document number is said to be 47O44, seemingly a compilation of his age as of the time the document was obtained “47,” his presidential order “44,” and an O for Obama.

Also, the Signature of the Registrar’s name is E.F. Lavender, an abbreviation of a name of detergent called “Earth Friendly Lavender.”

 

At first look, this seems like a lot of evidence that the document is a forgery. That is, until we actually take the time to dissect these claims.

 

Kenya was first announced as the “Republic of Kenya” in the country’s Constitution, dated Dec. 12, 1963. It is claimed that everything wasn’t official with the name change until Dec. 1964, which is true; however, it took a year to make this gradual change. It didn’t happen in one day. "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state…" The 1964 date that people are confusing involves an act of the British Parliament in regard to the Commonwealth of Nations, not the origin of the Republic.

 

The “Central Nyanza District” argument is just total hogwash. The area changed names to “Nyanza Province” even before his dad was born there.

 

The absence of “Provincial” in the hospital’s name is irrelevant. You can find it named with and without that word in its title from multiple sources.

 

Mombasa became part of Kenya in 1963, so having the document obtained in 1964 would require a name change of his place of origin from Zanzibar to Mombasa.

Barack Obama, Jr. was born in Aug., 1961.    Barack Obama, Sr.’s birthday is more obscure. It is said he was born in 1936, but no specific date is given. If this is true, it would make him 25. As the actual date is obscure, it doesn’t appear to be a huge dilemma that he may have been born instead in 1935. In addition, birth certificates aren’t necessary for the creation of new ones. Am I off-base to think Barack Jr. may have learned his trick of birth secrecy from someone?

 

Well that sums up the important arguments. Now for the circumstantial ones.

 

I don’t really even understand what is funny about having “E. F. Lavender” as a Registrar. Couldn’t a forger have come up with a funnier name? What does a dish detergent have to do with any of this? Do people think no one is named E.F. Lavender? Here’s a picture of Eric Lavender in Uganda, which neighbors Kenya. Maybe this is the guy? One guy even told me he saw Registrar Lavender’s plaque in the Registrar’s office. I guess I don’t even understand why people consider this an issue. If I were forging the document, I’d rather put a funnier, more relevant name in that slot, like B. M. Helfmovment.

 

The only interesting thing about the birth certificate to me is the file number, but even this has been fudged slightly. It is said that the number is “47O44” from propaganda issuers like Keith Olbermann. There is no O in the number, it’s a 0. That’s zero if you still can’t tell the difference. I admit the other numbers are coincidental, but I think it is far too assumptive to mean they discredit anything. I know I’ve had much bigger coincidences happen in my life.

 

The goal of this article is not to say that the birth certificate is 100% authentic. It may be a hoax. The goal of the article is to show that the Obama sheeple are clinging to debunking propaganda, which for all we know may have been initiated by the Obama campaign itself, in order to try to maintain the idea that their leader is innocent. We don’t know if it’s legitimate, yet. But right now, the birth certificate has not been properly debunked. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. Taitz’s court date is set for December. Other lawyers from across the country are on top of many of the other issues regarding the birth certificate problem.

 

Many sheeple have been questioning why the birthers have been claiming that this might be real when it is a copy and not the original, like the Hawaiian one birthers want to see. The reason is that this is a copy of an actual registration. The Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth isn’t a copy of a real birth certificate. They could be obtained by citizens who weren’t naturally born. Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was born in Indonesia. No one disputes this. Guess what? She has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth, too.  How can this be? Hawaiian law didn’t require people to be natural born citizens, born in Hawaii, in order to obtain one. Therefore, Obama hasn’t showed anything resembling proof of his citizenship. This is why this birther thing is still an issue! How can it be solved? All that is required to put all of this to rest is for Obama to give Hawaii permission, in his presidential capacity, to show people the long-form certificate. It’s that simple to resolve. So, why all the secrecy?

 

How did it all start? It started when Obama was caught using fake birth certificates with aliases like Barry Soetoro and Barry Dunham, which caused people to question who he was. There is also evidence that he never legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama. If this is found true, Obama may be guilty of several counts of fraud!

 

The birther issue is not about race. It’s about the law. Birthers do have motivation, but it is generally rooted in politics, not race. This is not to say that some aren’t racist, but it is just pure ignorance to claim that all of them are. My motivation, for example, is that I don’t like Obama’s communist ideals. I’m a libertarian. Right-wingers like the idea of freedom and limited government. We aren’t nuts or racist because of this. I personally believe that, if left unchecked, the Obama administration would destroy many of the last vestiges of freedom in this country. To me, he is like Bush, but worse. Just look at what he’s doing in Afghanistan. This is an acceleration of Bush’s failed policies! Why can’t people see past Olbermann and MSNBC’s lies and see what’s right in front of them?

[knightforhire]

There must be photographs taken back then by people living in that area of Obama’s mother and the photograph that would do the trick is one of her in Kenya with Obama in her arms. Baby pictures are typically taken and I would be shocked to find out that Grandma doesn’t have a photo of her with baby Obama.

[bjorn14]

It’s really all a moot point. Even if he was born in Hawaii he would still not be a US Citizen. In 1961, BOTH parents had to be US citizens for automatic citizenship. If not, citizenship passed through your father. Too many people are thinking in today’s terms if you are born on US property you are a citizen.

If Lolo Soetoro did adopt BHO, did he give up his parental/custodial rights when BHO got sent back to Hawaii? He allegedly became a Indonesian citizen (because Indonesia at the time did not allow dual citizenship).

And just curious why a 28-year old mother would send back her ten-year old son to live with his grandparents.

What passport did he use to travel back and forth to
Indonesia?

My personal favorite is that Madelyn Dunham and Franklin Marshall Davis or Malcolm X are his real parents. MD was quite the looker back in the day. I see no real physical resemblence between Sr. and Jr.

This is better than any soap opera I could ever write.

[jamese777]

It’s really all a moot point. Even if he was born in Hawaii he would still not be a US Citizen. In 1961, BOTH parents had to be US citizens for automatic citizenship. If not, citizenship passed through your father. Too many people are thinking in today’s terms if you are born on US property you are a citizen.

If Lolo Soetoro did adopt BHO, did he give up his parental/custodial rights when BHO got sent back to Hawaii? He allegedly became a Indonesian citizen (because Indonesia at the time did not allow dual citizenship).

And just curious why a 28-year old mother would send back her ten-year old son to live with his grandparents.

What passport did he use to travel back and forth to
Indonesia?

My personal favorite is that Madelyn Dunham and Franklin Marshall Davis or Malcolm X are his real parents. MD was quite the looker back in the day. I see no real physical resemblence between Sr. and Jr.

This is better than any soap opera I could ever write

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WRONG!
The 14th Amendment: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
If Obama was born in Honolulu then he’s a natural born citizen. If a person is born in a state of the union, his parents have no legal effect on his/her citizenship.

[rolling_stone]

People are missing the point on this one. It doesn't matter whether it is real or not. What we now have are two conflicting pieces of digital evidence ( Obamas COLB and the Kenyan BC ). The only way for the judge in CA to resolve this is to order discovery of the actual hard copies from Hawaii ( he can have the State Department request them from Kenya, but in all reality, they don't have to comply ). The main reason for producing this document now is to force production of the Hawaii BC.

It goes further than that, it appears that one of the two documents is a forgery (if not both). Since Orly has a pending case in Federal court, if the document/photo of document is a forgery, it very possible the person who falsified the document could be prosecuted for Obstruction of Justice, thus warranting a complete investigation,

Title 18 § 1519.USC Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy How Current is This? Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

[EternalVigilance]

A) The Bomford document is an obvious fake. It has been THOROUGHLY debunked by seriously committed FReepers and many others, even though the Left is still all over the place claiming that it is authentic.

B) Nothing has been discovered that debunks the Taitz-produced document. And many have tried.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Bump for later reading...

[PA-RIVER]

Taitz document is still standing, and this is a shock to me. (I originally thought he was born in Hawaii, but I thought he was Kenyan anyway because his Father is Kenyan. So this document still standing is shocking to me.)

This is the only document that gives us an actual birthplace.

Barring any further developments that may invalidate this document, Our president was born in the city of Mombasa Kenya, and is a native born Kenyan.

To me, its good to know. I feel we are getting close to closure and the truth. He's a Kenyan in every sense of the word.

His trip to Kenya after being elected a US congressman now makes perfect sense. He returned home to flaunt his success in his native country. The only way this document get debunked is if Obama shows his hand. Thats why the press is now going nutz trying to smear Taitz.

[Fractal Trader]

can't find where the article provides an example of a known genuine Kenyan birth certificate from that date

On Orly's site (http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/) you will find a very persuasive letter from a Kenyan born about the same time as Obama indicating that their documents are amazingly similar, with both actually signed by the same E.F. Lavender. Surely, the email could have been concocted, but to me it reads very authentic:

“I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered. I stress the word “copy.” My copy also has republic of Kenya.”

[Fractal Trader]

Where he did get ALL THIS MONEY to out finance Hillary?

Have you ever heard of Khalid Mansour (a black American who changed his name to sound Arabic)? He is incredibly well-connected to Arab wealth and has long been a benefactor of BHO.

[steve-b]

“The lurkers support me in e-mail....”

[Tempest]

The lurkers are DU trollls you stupid tool.