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Pelosi: Forget censure of Wilson (it would actually permit an airing of grievances and defense)
UPI ^ | 9-10-2009 | no byline

Posted on 09/10/2009 12:36:21 PM PDT by a fool in paradise

Democrats must drop efforts to censure a GOP representative who shouted "You lie" during President Obama's speech, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday.

Democratic leaders Thursday were looking into what formal action the House could take against Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., whose outburst during Obama's address on healthcare reform to a joint session of Congress the night before, shocked the chamber, The Hill reported.

"It's time for us to talk about healthcare, not Joe Wilson," said Pelosi, D-Calif.

One option Democrats considered was censure.

Pelosi nixed censure, as well as a call for Wilson to apologize on the floor.

"I'm on to healthcare reform. I'm not going to discuss Joe Wilson," she said. "I think his action spoke for itself. He has apologized. He will figure out what is appropriate for him to do."

After Obama told Congress that his healthcare reform plan would not permit illegal immigrants be eligible for public health insurance, Wilson shouted, "You lie," drawing boos from the floor and criticism from both sides of the aisle. Wilson later apologized.

Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson of Connecticut said Wilson should apologize.

"It's clear that the members of our caucus are quite upset and quite angry," Larson said after a caucus meeting. "We are also in the process of looking at what is appropriate conduct on the floor."

Obama, asked about the incident after meeting with his Cabinet, said Wilson "apologized quickly and with out equivocation, and I'm appreciative of that."

"I do think that, as I said last night, we have to get to the point where we can have a conversation about big, important issues that matter to the American people, without vitriol, without name-calling, without the assumption of the worst in other people's motives," he said


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1 posted on 09/10/2009 12:36:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Obama lies. Granny dies.


2 posted on 09/10/2009 12:38:25 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: All
Here are Obama's own quotes that come immediately before Joe Wilson's remark:
Obama: Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but by prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Now, such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple. (Applause.) There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms -- the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.

Joe Wilson(R): You lie.

Called his critics "liars". Why oppose legislation that would EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT illegal immigrants from getting coverage?
3 posted on 09/10/2009 12:38:37 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Obama’s speech will always and forever be known as the “You Lie” speech. Whatever impact he hoped to make was destroyed by Wilson, and Peolosi knows it.


4 posted on 09/10/2009 12:38:37 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: a fool in paradise

Bi-partsianship? Yeah, they’ve heard of it.


5 posted on 09/10/2009 12:38:52 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: a fool in paradise

So now the Republicans simply play clips of Democrats booing during Bush’s State of Union speech. Yeah, like that will happen.


6 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:14 PM PDT by Jackson57
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To: a fool in paradise
Some might wear "Rude but accurate" as a badge of honor.
7 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:18 PM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: a fool in paradise

The Nancy Botoxi doesn’t want the hearings to reveal that Obama actually outlies Clinton - a remarkable achievement.


8 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:20 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: a fool in paradise

Does not want the story to continue and the democrats conduce toward bush aired.


9 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:24 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: frogjerk
I seem to recall a whole political PARTY that made a scare campaign about a president killing off grandma.

DNC's Social Security Cartoon [Dubyah pushes wheelchair-bound invalid over cliff] (Democratic National Committee ^ | 2002-10-03)

Then again, on the eve of the speech yesterday, the CURRENT president of the United States said that grandma will die if we DON'T pass this bill.

Talk about scare tactics.

Obama Demands Healtcare reform (AMERICANS WILL DIE IF WE DON'T) (via drudge 9/9/9)


10 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: a fool in paradise

This is working out very well by drawing attention to the lies Obama told during his speech. Pelosi would never try to censure because it would come out about the Obama lies.

This is too good — attention drawn to illegals getting healthcre.


11 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:27 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: a fool in paradise

She’s right and it’s a politically astute move that will get her points.


12 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:44 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: a fool in paradise

I suspect that someone told Pelosi that there was video of Democrats doing the same act from the Bush years...and they’d be standing there grinning in front of the camera and not having any speech to give. The other problem here is that Joe might explain the lie and actually sustain it...and then what? They can’t censure the President for lying.


13 posted on 09/10/2009 12:40:23 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: a fool in paradise
Joe Wilson should propose a bill that would prohibit this type of behaviour.

That would prevent the liberals from doing it when they become the minority party of congress.

14 posted on 09/10/2009 12:40:56 PM PDT by A Cyrenian
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To: EveningStar

Hey, did her Pelousiness ever apologize to the CIA for calling them liars?


15 posted on 09/10/2009 12:41:09 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: a fool in paradise
Airing of grievances? What about the "Feats of Strength"? Is it a violation of the establishment clause to have a Festivus pole?
16 posted on 09/10/2009 12:41:11 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Melchior
Obama’s speech will always and forever be known as the “You Lie” speech. Whatever impact he hoped to make was destroyed by Wilson, and Peolosi knows it.

Quite true. And she knows further airing of the incident will only burn it into the public's memory.

17 posted on 09/10/2009 12:41:21 PM PDT by bcsco (Hopey changey down the drainey...)
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To: a fool in paradise

They might start asking why Rangle is not in handcuffs.


18 posted on 09/10/2009 12:41:26 PM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: a fool in paradise
"I do think that, as I said last night, we have to get to the point where we can have a conversation about big, important issues that matter to the American people, without vitriol, without name-calling, without the assumption of the worst in other people's motives"

I hope you overcome your internal struggles & conflicting emotions, Barry.

Get back to us when you find true inner peace.

19 posted on 09/10/2009 12:41:29 PM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: a fool in paradise

I was very disappointed — when Joe Wilson apologized. DimocRATS give vitriol at every opportunity, but don’t take it nearly as well as they give. Remember them booing Bush during State Of The Union addresses!


20 posted on 09/10/2009 12:41:51 PM PDT by JohnQ1 ("Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever." Oscar Wilde)
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To: Da Coyote

“The Nancy Botoxi doesn’t want the hearings to reveal that Obama actually outlies Clinton - a remarkable achievement.”

For those who may have missed a few untruths...

Obama Lies:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obamalies/index

Obama Breaks Promises:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obamabreakspromises/index


21 posted on 09/10/2009 12:41:53 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: a fool in paradise

While we’re debating among ourselves over whether his “outburst” was appropriate, our enemies are adjusting their America-destroying strategy to changing circumstances.

Joe Wilson presented us with an unexpected opportunity. It was short-lived, however, and we might’ve squandered it already - in infantile celebration and petty bickering.

No wonder we’re losing.


22 posted on 09/10/2009 12:43:20 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Melchior
"Obama’s speech will always and forever be known as the “You Lie” speech."

True.

Reminds me of when the fan called Bob Dylan "Judas" for playing an electric guitar.

Also this:

As a result of the popularity of the letter, even in the English-speaking world, J'accuse! has become a common generic expression of outrage and accusation against a powerful person.

The emperor wears no clothes.

23 posted on 09/10/2009 12:44:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: a fool in paradise

I seem to remember an address by Bush to Congress about the pending renewal of the Patriot Act.He got open boos from the rat`s side. What happened to them?


24 posted on 09/10/2009 12:45:09 PM PDT by nomad
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To: a fool in paradise

ahh...the Airing of Grievances....I love Festivus!


25 posted on 09/10/2009 12:45:23 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nomad

Barack held his tv program in Congress last night instead of the Oval Office so he could appear to be “a man of the people” and get those hand claps from the DNC on cue.

If the DNC is permitted to interrupt the speech, then so to Joe Wilson.

Dissent is patriotic.


26 posted on 09/10/2009 12:46:47 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’m surprised. This is actually a smart move on her part.


27 posted on 09/10/2009 12:46:53 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: a fool in paradise

dems never want a discovery process because they LIE.


28 posted on 09/10/2009 12:47:21 PM PDT by omega4179 ( -11)
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To: a fool in paradise

Nancy’s quietly planning on staking Wilson to a fire ant hill and covering him with honey.


29 posted on 09/10/2009 12:47:32 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: a fool in paradise

Catch 22 bookmark.


30 posted on 09/10/2009 12:48:39 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: a fool in paradise
Pelosi: Forget censure of Wilson... I'd rather forget G-5 Pelosi!....
31 posted on 09/10/2009 12:48:56 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Buckeye McFrog
If only Clarence Thomas had be able to tell Joe Biden "You lie" in Joe's opening remarks at the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearing.

Senator Biden was the first questioner. Instead of the softball questions he’d promised to ask, he threw a beanball straight at my head, quoting from a speech I’d given four years earlier at the Pacific Legal Foundation and challenging me to defend what I’d said. ”I find attractive the arguments of scholars such as Stephen Macedo, who defend an activist Supreme Court that would strike down laws restricting property rights.” That caught me off guard, and I had no recollection of making so atypical a statement, which shook me up even more. “Now, it would seem to me what you were talking about,” Senator Biden went on to say, “is you find it attractive the fact that they are activists and they would like to strike down existing laws that impact on restricting the use of property rights, because you know, that is what they write about.”

Since I didn’t remember making the statement in the first place, I didn’t know how to respond to it. All I could say in reply was that “it has been some time since I have read Professor Macedo … But I don’t believe that in my writings I have indicated that we should have an activist Supreme Court.” It was, I knew, a weak answer. Fortunately, though, the young lawyers who had helped prepare me for the hearing had loaded all of my speeches into a computer and at the first break in the proceedings they looked this one up. The senator, they found, had wrenched my words out of context. I looked at the text and saw that the passage he’d read out loud had been immediately followed by two other sentences: “But the libertarian argument overlooks the place of the Supreme Court in a scheme of separation of powers. One does not strengthen self-government and the rule of law by having the non-democratic branch of the government make policy.” The point I’d been making was the opposite of the one that Senator Biden claimed I had made.

pp 235-236 of "My Grandfather's Son" by Clarence Thomas
32 posted on 09/10/2009 12:48:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: Melchior

I felt this instinctively when he said it. I hope you’re right.


33 posted on 09/10/2009 12:49:07 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: Bahbah

The same reason was behind not officially honoring Michael Jackson as Sheila Jackson Lee had tried to do. It wasn’t “frivolous”. It would have permitted congressional discussion of Jackson’s molestation charges.


34 posted on 09/10/2009 12:50:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: Dinah Lord

True, but not relevant.


35 posted on 09/10/2009 12:50:38 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: a fool in paradise

Pelosi doesn’t want censure because that takes debate and they don’t want the truth to come out. Go ahead and try and censure Wilson, see what comes out.


36 posted on 09/10/2009 12:51:20 PM PDT by RC2 (Our Failure is Not an Option)
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To: pepsionice

Somebody should have censured NaziPelousy for HER remarks on the CIA


37 posted on 09/10/2009 12:54:57 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: Melchior

Yeah think about this... 0bama’s Presidential LIEbrary will make Clinton’s look classy and honest.


38 posted on 09/10/2009 12:55:41 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’m not surprised.

In the first place, he has two defenses, nicely summarized by links on Drudge:

1. What he said was true. Obama did lie.

2. The Democrats behaved much worse at Bush’s State of the Union speech, and nobody criticized them.

Finally, as already noted, the more attention his “You lie” gets, the worse Obama looks. Because a lot of people have started to notice that he does, in fact, habitually lie—especially about health care.


39 posted on 09/10/2009 12:56:34 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: EveningStar
She’s right and it’s a politically astute move that will get her points.

As a bonus (for us), the KOS kiddies and DUmmies will be apoplectic.

40 posted on 09/10/2009 12:56:54 PM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Airing of grievances? What about the "Feats of Strength"? Is it a violation of the establishment clause to have a Festivus pole?

'Tis the season, almost.

41 posted on 09/10/2009 12:58:02 PM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: a fool in paradise

“...said Wilson “apologized quickly and with out equivocation...”

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Now Wilson should apologize to “conservative” congressmen for having apologized to the BAM.


42 posted on 09/10/2009 12:58:36 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Cicero
Dems are stuck in the mud.

"to bring to a standstill; render unable to proceed or go back"

43 posted on 09/10/2009 12:59:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: a fool in paradise

It really wasn’t Joe Wilson’s fault.

Somehow, he was just channeling what so many of us were screaming at the TVs. Our collective thoughts just overwhelmed him and he blurted out what we were saying.


44 posted on 09/10/2009 1:00:39 PM PDT by octex
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To: Charles Martel

Yep.


45 posted on 09/10/2009 1:00:59 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Bahbah
I’m surprised. This is actually a smart move on her part.

They NEED to, because their goal is to enact HCR, and partisan fighting of this nature is a big distraction for them.

The Dems have been knocked off message and have lost the critical first post-speech newscycle because of the emphasis on the Wilson "outburst". Their own Alinskyesque tactics are now hurting them, but since so many Dems are on autopilot to use them at a drop of the hat, the leadership is going to have a hard time getting them back under control.
46 posted on 09/10/2009 1:01:44 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: octex; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
It really wasn’t Joe Wilson’s fault. Somehow, he was just channeling what so many of us were screaming at the TVs. Our collective thoughts just overwhelmed him and he blurted out what we were saying.

"You lie." < /star wars jedi mind trick >

47 posted on 09/10/2009 1:02:31 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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To: a fool in paradise

This reminds me of the Army rescinding those deployment orders so the Birth Certificate case wouldn’t go to trial.


48 posted on 09/10/2009 1:02:35 PM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: a fool in paradise

Glad you posted that...


49 posted on 09/10/2009 1:04:10 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Thanks. The Pravda Media is lying by omission. They redact the quote and yet are the first to say that so and so lib was “taken out of context”.


50 posted on 09/10/2009 1:05:21 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama outright called his critics "liars" in his speech last night. Where's the apology?)
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