Skip to comments.Pelosi: Forget censure of Wilson (it would actually permit an airing of grievances and defense)
Posted on 09/10/2009 12:36:21 PM PDT by a fool in paradise
Democrats must drop efforts to censure a GOP representative who shouted "You lie" during President Obama's speech, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday.
Democratic leaders Thursday were looking into what formal action the House could take against Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., whose outburst during Obama's address on healthcare reform to a joint session of Congress the night before, shocked the chamber, The Hill reported.
"It's time for us to talk about healthcare, not Joe Wilson," said Pelosi, D-Calif.
One option Democrats considered was censure.
Pelosi nixed censure, as well as a call for Wilson to apologize on the floor.
"I'm on to healthcare reform. I'm not going to discuss Joe Wilson," she said. "I think his action spoke for itself. He has apologized. He will figure out what is appropriate for him to do."
After Obama told Congress that his healthcare reform plan would not permit illegal immigrants be eligible for public health insurance, Wilson shouted, "You lie," drawing boos from the floor and criticism from both sides of the aisle. Wilson later apologized.
Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson of Connecticut said Wilson should apologize.
"It's clear that the members of our caucus are quite upset and quite angry," Larson said after a caucus meeting. "We are also in the process of looking at what is appropriate conduct on the floor."
Obama, asked about the incident after meeting with his Cabinet, said Wilson "apologized quickly and with out equivocation, and I'm appreciative of that."
"I do think that, as I said last night, we have to get to the point where we can have a conversation about big, important issues that matter to the American people, without vitriol, without name-calling, without the assumption of the worst in other people's motives," he said
Obama lies. Granny dies.
Obama: Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but by prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Now, such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple. (Applause.) There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms -- the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.Called his critics "liars". Why oppose legislation that would EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT illegal immigrants from getting coverage?
Joe Wilson(R): You lie.
Obama’s speech will always and forever be known as the “You Lie” speech. Whatever impact he hoped to make was destroyed by Wilson, and Peolosi knows it.
Bi-partsianship? Yeah, they’ve heard of it.
So now the Republicans simply play clips of Democrats booing during Bush’s State of Union speech. Yeah, like that will happen.
The Nancy Botoxi doesn’t want the hearings to reveal that Obama actually outlies Clinton - a remarkable achievement.
Does not want the story to continue and the democrats conduce toward bush aired.
DNC's Social Security Cartoon [Dubyah pushes wheelchair-bound invalid over cliff] (Democratic National Committee ^ | 2002-10-03)
Then again, on the eve of the speech yesterday, the CURRENT president of the United States said that grandma will die if we DON'T pass this bill.
Talk about scare tactics.
Obama Demands Healtcare reform (AMERICANS WILL DIE IF WE DON'T) (via drudge 9/9/9)
This is working out very well by drawing attention to the lies Obama told during his speech. Pelosi would never try to censure because it would come out about the Obama lies.
This is too good — attention drawn to illegals getting healthcre.
She’s right and it’s a politically astute move that will get her points.
I suspect that someone told Pelosi that there was video of Democrats doing the same act from the Bush years...and they’d be standing there grinning in front of the camera and not having any speech to give. The other problem here is that Joe might explain the lie and actually sustain it...and then what? They can’t censure the President for lying.
That would prevent the liberals from doing it when they become the minority party of congress.
Hey, did her Pelousiness ever apologize to the CIA for calling them liars?
Quite true. And she knows further airing of the incident will only burn it into the public's memory.
They might start asking why Rangle is not in handcuffs.
I hope you overcome your internal struggles & conflicting emotions, Barry.
Get back to us when you find true inner peace.
I was very disappointed — when Joe Wilson apologized. DimocRATS give vitriol at every opportunity, but don’t take it nearly as well as they give. Remember them booing Bush during State Of The Union addresses!
“The Nancy Botoxi doesnt want the hearings to reveal that Obama actually outlies Clinton - a remarkable achievement.”
For those who may have missed a few untruths...
Obama Breaks Promises:
While we’re debating among ourselves over whether his “outburst” was appropriate, our enemies are adjusting their America-destroying strategy to changing circumstances.
Joe Wilson presented us with an unexpected opportunity. It was short-lived, however, and we might’ve squandered it already - in infantile celebration and petty bickering.
No wonder we’re losing.
Reminds me of when the fan called Bob Dylan "Judas" for playing an electric guitar.
As a result of the popularity of the letter, even in the English-speaking world, J'accuse! has become a common generic expression of outrage and accusation against a powerful person.
The emperor wears no clothes.
I seem to remember an address by Bush to Congress about the pending renewal of the Patriot Act.He got open boos from the rat`s side. What happened to them?
ahh...the Airing of Grievances....I love Festivus!
Barack held his tv program in Congress last night instead of the Oval Office so he could appear to be “a man of the people” and get those hand claps from the DNC on cue.
If the DNC is permitted to interrupt the speech, then so to Joe Wilson.
Dissent is patriotic.
I’m surprised. This is actually a smart move on her part.
dems never want a discovery process because they LIE.
Nancy’s quietly planning on staking Wilson to a fire ant hill and covering him with honey.
Catch 22 bookmark.
Senator Biden was the first questioner. Instead of the softball questions hed promised to ask, he threw a beanball straight at my head, quoting from a speech Id given four years earlier at the Pacific Legal Foundation and challenging me to defend what Id said. I find attractive the arguments of scholars such as Stephen Macedo, who defend an activist Supreme Court that would strike down laws restricting property rights. That caught me off guard, and I had no recollection of making so atypical a statement, which shook me up even more. Now, it would seem to me what you were talking about, Senator Biden went on to say, is you find it attractive the fact that they are activists and they would like to strike down existing laws that impact on restricting the use of property rights, because you know, that is what they write about.pp 235-236 of "My Grandfather's Son" by Clarence Thomas
Since I didnt remember making the statement in the first place, I didnt know how to respond to it. All I could say in reply was that it has been some time since I have read Professor Macedo But I dont believe that in my writings I have indicated that we should have an activist Supreme Court. It was, I knew, a weak answer. Fortunately, though, the young lawyers who had helped prepare me for the hearing had loaded all of my speeches into a computer and at the first break in the proceedings they looked this one up. The senator, they found, had wrenched my words out of context. I looked at the text and saw that the passage hed read out loud had been immediately followed by two other sentences: But the libertarian argument overlooks the place of the Supreme Court in a scheme of separation of powers. One does not strengthen self-government and the rule of law by having the non-democratic branch of the government make policy. The point Id been making was the opposite of the one that Senator Biden claimed I had made.
I felt this instinctively when he said it. I hope you’re right.
The same reason was behind not officially honoring Michael Jackson as Sheila Jackson Lee had tried to do. It wasn’t “frivolous”. It would have permitted congressional discussion of Jackson’s molestation charges.
True, but not relevant.
Pelosi doesn’t want censure because that takes debate and they don’t want the truth to come out. Go ahead and try and censure Wilson, see what comes out.
Somebody should have censured NaziPelousy for HER remarks on the CIA
Yeah think about this... 0bama’s Presidential LIEbrary will make Clinton’s look classy and honest.
I’m not surprised.
In the first place, he has two defenses, nicely summarized by links on Drudge:
1. What he said was true. Obama did lie.
2. The Democrats behaved much worse at Bush’s State of the Union speech, and nobody criticized them.
Finally, as already noted, the more attention his “You lie” gets, the worse Obama looks. Because a lot of people have started to notice that he does, in fact, habitually lie—especially about health care.
As a bonus (for us), the KOS kiddies and DUmmies will be apoplectic.
'Tis the season, almost.
“...said Wilson “apologized quickly and with out equivocation...”
Now Wilson should apologize to “conservative” congressmen for having apologized to the BAM.
"to bring to a standstill; render unable to proceed or go back"
It really wasn’t Joe Wilson’s fault.
Somehow, he was just channeling what so many of us were screaming at the TVs. Our collective thoughts just overwhelmed him and he blurted out what we were saying.
"You lie." < /star wars jedi mind trick >
This reminds me of the Army rescinding those deployment orders so the Birth Certificate case wouldn’t go to trial.
Glad you posted that...
Thanks. The Pravda Media is lying by omission. They redact the quote and yet are the first to say that so and so lib was “taken out of context”.