Posted on 09/29/2009 9:01:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
A more proper position is to say that people can be for or against it, but the government is to be neutral toward it.
A lot of Mormons are just deceived Christians, their heart is in the right place. I wish more Christians took their Christian duty as serious as Mormons do.
I've never heard him insult Beck, but agree it would be better if he didn't.
It's a bad plan, a misguided approach, and will only help DEMOCRATS because in the end, it's NOT about "both parties."
There were no marches on Washington (except the anti-war loonies) when Bush was president, period. This is about Obama. And if people don't start admitting this and get the damned "third party" nonsense out of their heads, we'll have a zillion years of Obama.
EDIT: I Come Not To Praise Glenn Beck, But To Bury Him (Why he hurts the right RINOs more than he helps)
This is the constant and unremitting lesson of third parties: they elect DEMOCRATS.
“So I don’t want to attack Glenn Beck, or Levin, or Hannity, or Limbaugh. I just don’t think any of them are my “leader”. And because I don’t “worship” them, I think it’s easier for me to judge what they say, and determine when they are simply wrong.”
Good point. Beck and Gutfeld from Red Eye are popular with young people who don’t follow politics. Young people generally don’t listen to talk radio (Limbaugh, Levin, etc.) If Beck gets young people interested in what is happening to their country, then its a good thing. Conservative spokesmouths need to hang together or we will all go down together.
we are not deceived.....don’t criticize what you do not know. We believe the constitution to be a divinely inspired document and we fight to defend it.....whats wrong with that?
insightful? you call this guy insightful? or are you joking?
There is no debating the fact: The "Tea Party" announced by Rick Santelli, which began the movement, was Feb. 19, 2009. There were no marches on Washington while Bush was president, outside of antiwar creeps. It is a silly notion designed to undercut Republicans and conservatives and keep libs in power forever. As long as they can get sensible people to keep saying, "It's about both parties," the liberals will forever maintain power.
Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a conservative Democrat.
I agree,and i’d have to add that I personally don’t worship anyone but the Lord Jesus,although sometimes I come across as a bit of a Sarah-worshipper! LOLOL
I wish a lot of Christians took their Christian duty as seriously as some Muslims take theirs.
BTW, if a person is not a Christian, then, by definition, their heart is not in the right place.
Don’t get me wrong about Beck. He may not believe what Mormonism teaches. He may be an actual Christian within a non-Christian organization. There are and were lots. That is why sites like Exmormon.org exist. But I am also wary because he is currently a member.
Get Riehle!
Sorry but it does include both parties, when you realize that you will be more affective.
You absolutely nailed it, my FRiend.
Sorry, it does not. There are fundamental historical differences, and when you realize THAT, you will quit working against a solution.
If you are not, then Christians are. I pick you.
I agree. Someone is really really jealous. The author of this article and Mark Levin should man up and wise up.
Well in the sense that the Republicans haven't been off their duff to help, I guess you could be right, it does not involve both parties.
I am in no way advocating a third party, but some adults need to take action in the Republican party, and I don't mean McCain or light in the loafers Grahamnisty.
LS wrote:
Historically not accurate. It wasn't "three or four election cycles." The GOP was formed as a new party within a year of the Kansas Nebraska Act. True, the Whigs were on the path to destruction, but there were plenty of "third parties" (Know Nothings, Free Soilers) all of which had the effect of electing DEMOCRATS.
This is the constant and unremitting lesson of third parties: they elect DEMOCRATS.
Sorry, this was a Glenn Beck thread. I didn’t think that absolute historical accuracy was required. (My total accuracy rating was still higher than Beck’s story about a journalist named Edward R. Murrow saying, “Have you no shame Senator, have you no shame,” to Senator Joseph McCarthy. That story was totally accurate, except that it was a lawyer, not a journalist, and his name was Joseph Welch, not Edward R. Murrow. Oh, and Mr. Welch didn’t say, "Have you no shame,” he said “Have you no sense of decency?” Other than that, it happened just like Glenn Beck said it did. )
My point was that the Republican party was formed from the remnants of a failed party, plus some new blood and some crossovers from “fringe third parties.” They even had a number of Democrats who supported the abolitionist plank of the platform cross over to become Republicans, often winning governorships or other leadership offices.
The path to a truly conservative Republican party in the near future is difficult. You have so many RINOs to deal with. These need to be voted out (ideally), or at least converted into reliable conservatives (more difficult, and a harder sell to conservative voters). You aren't as likely to get conservative Democrats (either at the grass roots, or as incumbent candidates) in a Republican Conservative revival.
Forming a new Conservative party has a different set of issues. To be successful, it would have to start with some conservative incumbents (probably mostly Republicans at first) forming the new party. That party might get more support from conservative Democrats and conservative Independents than a revitalized conservative Republican Party. A new Conservative party might even attract a few of the incumbent “Blue Dogs” who feel betrayed by the Democrat party now. If they vote reliably conservative after switching to the new Conservative party, I think that’s a good thing.
It will be a tough decision. Many of the TEA party and 9-12 groups are grappling with this now. And while many Republicans are courting the TEA party gatherings, trying to shore up support, I am not 100% convinced that the movement is buying into Republicans as their savior. I heard from dozens who were at the Rally in DC on 9-12 that the first half was great, but it became less interesting when the Republicans late in the day tried to turn it into a Republican pep rally.
The one thing I am sure of, this nation is doomed if we just have a Republican revolution in 2010. We need a Conservative revolution at all levels, from the Congress in Washington DC down to the county courthouses and city halls across this nation. I hope we get that. But it will be a hard fight no matter what.
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