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American flags banned from vehicles at Albany apartment
democratherald.com ^ | Oct. 9, 2009 | Cathy Ingalls

Posted on 10/13/2009 6:22:31 PM PDT by CitizenM

Jim Clausen was "shocked" when the manager of the Oaks Apartments in Albany told him he could face eviction if he did not remove the American flags that fly from his Jeep and motorcycle when they are parked at the complex.

Barb Holcomb, who manages the Oaks Apartments at 1440 Geary Circle S.E. for owner Stan Keller, said Clausen is correct.

She is requiring that tenants take off any flag that flies from their vehicles, and that includes the Mexican flag and college team flags.

Political and religous signs at a tenant's unit also are not permitted.

"I'm trying to avoid any conflict," Holcomb said. "I have a problem when tenants' rights to free speech come into contact with other tenants' rights of peaceful enjoyment. This policy is not a violation of anyone's civil rights.

"We're a diverse community here, and we've had previous problems with this sort of thing," she said.

Jann Carson, the associate director of the ACLU of Oregon, agreed that Clausen and other tenants' civil rights are not being violated under the new policy

SNIP

Holcomb said she wanted to implement the flag policy earlier but the previous manager would not say anything to the tenants.

"We have a new manager who is taking care of this," she said. "It's a small housekeeping problem we want to take care of."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: american; communism; constitution; hoa; oldglory; socialism
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
The people affected could buy one of these and see if a US Flag is then okay...
21 posted on 10/13/2009 6:52:21 PM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: jwalsh07

“It’s the owners property, the owner makes the rules.”

Yes, that is true. However, if the owner has entered into a signed lease agreement with the tenant, then the owner can’t simply evict a tenant for breaching some new rule they just made up. If the rules weren’t part of the signed lease, then the owner won’t be able to use the courts to enforce them on that particular tenant.


22 posted on 10/13/2009 6:55:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Right on, right on.


23 posted on 10/13/2009 7:01:40 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for Obama.)
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To: CitizenM

Can you say, “Class action law suit!”


24 posted on 10/13/2009 7:02:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: CitizenM

From the response all over the net, this rule will be changed quite quickly.

As someone pointed out in the comments of one of the original stories, Oregon’s veteran’s license plate has an American flag on it. Is the owner of a car with veteran’s plates supposed to remove them?


25 posted on 10/13/2009 7:03:57 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: CitizenM

Here’s the management company contact info:

I feel a “Levin surge” of calls coming on...

Oaks Apartments
(Keller Development Company*, Oaks Apartments*)
1440 Geary Cir SE
Albany, OR 97322-6823
Phone: (541) 967-1284


26 posted on 10/13/2009 7:08:37 PM PDT by Allison_Wonderland
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To: CitizenM

Please give them a call: (541) 967-1284.


27 posted on 10/13/2009 7:08:50 PM PDT by politicalmerc (Washington DC Tea Party? What Tea Party? Who are all these people Michelle....?)
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To: Prince of Space
She's in an un-defensible position. First, I'd put one of those inside sunshades in my windshield eg. http://www.become.com/shop?&bskuid=840179320&pid=650000000&cid=0&q=&reab=150&nofilter

Then I'd get some inside window tint/screen such as http://www.monstermarketplace.com/Automotive/Landing1936a631.html

Bumper stickers? You bet... Maybe paint the entire car red white and blue.

Then I'd start inundating them with complaints about other people's promoting foreign, un-American cars. Every Honda, Toyoda, BMW, etc. that had a visible company logo... I'd write/email a complaint. If they can't see my flag, I don't want to see their foreign support.

She'll quickly see that what she is trying to do is pointless and doomed to failure.

28 posted on 10/13/2009 7:09:27 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: CitizenM

Diverse community here. Oh, in other words, full of faggots.


29 posted on 10/13/2009 7:10:42 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Got Questions? Need Answers? LOOK TO THE CROSS! You will find them there.)
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To: CitizenM

Translation: We’ve got ourselves a buttload of illegal aliens living here and they are bound to make trouble.


30 posted on 10/13/2009 7:13:05 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Bryanw92

“48% of America lives under the Stars and Stripes, and 52% live under the big “O” flag.”

43% live under the American flag, 45% live under the Mexican flag, leaving 12% under Obama.


31 posted on 10/13/2009 7:14:15 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: jwalsh07

The Lessee has property rights that can’t be violated outside of the contract. Also there is a first amendment issue.


32 posted on 10/13/2009 7:16:45 PM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: CitizenM

Sounds like this woman needs a lesson taught to her.


33 posted on 10/13/2009 7:20:24 PM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: Rebelbase
The lease is determinative but not the subject upon which I commented.

Property rights are being lost left and right in this country. See Kelo.

My property is my property, you can exercise your rights on public property or your own. When you're on my property I make the rules.

Anything else is more collectivist crap sweeping the nation from left to right. My property isn't your castle. You fly my castles flag or you leave.

34 posted on 10/13/2009 7:21:58 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for Obama.)
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To: svcw
"I’d really be tempted to paint my car with the flag."


35 posted on 10/13/2009 7:23:45 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: MediaMole

Some great reviews of the Oaks Apartments here...

Particularly like the one comparing the place to a gulag.

http://www.apartmentreviews.net/ratings/Oregon/albany/Oaks-Apartments.htm


36 posted on 10/13/2009 7:23:54 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: CitizenM; All

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&q=oaks+apartments+albany+oregon&fb=1&gl=us&hq=oaks+apartments&hnear=albany+oregon&view=text&latlng=14346188745816406796&dtab=2&oi=md_reviews&sa=X&ei=zTfVSqzDIJnyNJXq4J4G


37 posted on 10/13/2009 7:32:44 PM PDT by peggybac (Peggy "Sweet Peach" bac <--my mob name)
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To: C210N

Normally I’m against flag burning but.... :-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350246215053&_trksid=p2759.l1259#ht_1056wt_665


38 posted on 10/13/2009 7:48:08 PM PDT by The Chief (Volunteer Fire Fighter since 1989, 20+ years!)
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To: Allison_Wonderland

I just gave them a piece of my mind. The owners of that aapartment complex is Stankorp at 541-926-5062. I left a message among other things telling them that that b**ch of a manager should be fired.


39 posted on 10/13/2009 8:24:11 PM PDT by Merlinator (Take them all down...one czar at a time)
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To: jwalsh07

Your view is also a bit inaccurate. Just because you own something that others rent, does not give you the ability to enact tenant rules that violate state and federal laws, much their the state and federal constitutions. They aren’t lords and their properties aren’t fiefdoms. They can make up regulations in contracts but they can’t make up anything they want and take away people’s rights and liberties that are protected. The flag is a political symbol and is an expression of protected speech.

She will be sued for this and she will lose big time.


40 posted on 10/13/2009 8:48:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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