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The Ship of State is Being Steered Toward a Maelstrom of Anti-Christianity
CE ^ | November 2, 2009 | Charles S. LiMandri

Posted on 11/02/2009 7:44:00 AM PST by NYer

President Obama’s highly controversial Safe Schools Czar, Kevin Jennings, is concerned about the heterosexual indoctrination of children in our public schools. In his bizarre view: “we all know what’s promoted in our schools: Heterosexuality is promoted in our schools. Every time kids read Romeo and Juliet or they’re encouraged to go to the prom or whatever it is, kids are aggressively recruited to be heterosexual in this country. And you know what, it doesn’t work. The reality is that if schools could affect your sexual orientation there would have been no gay people in the first place. But they’re still people out there who believe that myth, because you know what? It’s easy to panic people if you make them think that they’re after your kids.”

Jennings is the founder of the Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network (GLSEN) that claims a national network of 10,000 “students and allies working to create safer schools.” The truth is that GLSEN is after our kids, as its following 1999 statement demonstrates: “The fear of the religious right is that the schools of today will be the governments of tomorrow. And you know, they are right. If we do our jobs right, we’re going to raise a generation of kids who don’t believe the claims of the religious right.” Here in California, the recent passage of the law instituting “Harvey Milk Day” in the public schools should make it that much easier for GLSEN to achieve this goal.

Groups like GLSEN and the ACLU are now closer than ever to eradicating from the public schools all traces of the Judeo-Christian beliefs which have greatly influenced our American culture for over two centuries. The ACLU issued a statement in connection with the 2003 case of Lawrence v. Texas that said: "The religious beliefs of Americans have nothing to do with reality." Moreover, ACLU Board Member, Franklin E. Kameny, had this to say in 1993: "I view homosexual activity . . . as moral, virtuous, right, and desirable." This is apparently also the official view of the Obama administration.

Jennings’ concerns about kids being indoctrinated into heterosexuality are not unique to him. A coalition of liberal sex education advocates says the Obama administration and the Democrat-controlled Congress will end support for sex-ed programs that emphasize marriage and heterosexual relationships. Martha Kempner, vice president for information and communications with the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) claims that these programs will end because emphasizing marriage and heterosexual couples is discriminatory: “These programs are really made — I would say they are made — for a heterosexual classroom, but they are really made for a heterosexual world and obviously that’s inappropriate.”

Another Obama appointee, Harry Knox, is a leader with the homosexual activist group Human Rights Campaign. He has been appointed to President Barack Obama’s advisory council on faith-based partnerships. Knox has called Pope Benedict XVI and Catholic bishops “discredited leaders”. He has also attacked the Catholic lay men’s organization, the Knights of Columbus, by calling it an “army of oppression” for their work to preserve the definition of marriage as the union between a man and a woman.

Rather than heeding calls to replace Jennings and Knox, Obama’s recent public statements lead one to conclude that he actually supports their extreme viewpoints. At a recent speech before the Human Rights Campaign, Obama stated: “You will see a time in which we as a nation finally recognize relationships between two men or two women as just as real and admirable as relationships between a man and a woman.” He went on to state: “We must all stand together against divisive and deceptive efforts to feed people’s lingering fears for political and ideological gain.”

President Obama promised the Human Rights Campaign that he would seek to “pass an inclusive hate crimes bill” but, unable to pass it legitimately, as a stand-alone law, the Senate snuck it in as an amendment to a “must pass” defense funding bill. It was signed into law by Obama on October 28th. Such laws have been used in places like Canada and Belgium, where same-sex marriage is already permitted, to silence the voices of any that dare oppose it. We can expect the same to occur here. Indeed, closer to home here in San Diego, I have already seen religious persecution suffered by my own clients who dared stand up for traditional values. This includes the four brave Christian firefighters who protested their being ordered against their will to participate in the licentious San Diego Gay Pride Parade. It also includes my client Carrie Prejean, a native San Diegan and Christian, who lost her title as Miss California for courageously exercising her Constitutional right to speak out in favor of traditional marriage.

One of President Obama’s latest appointees to the EEOC is lesbian law professor Chai Feldblum, a former lawyer for the Human Rights Campaign and the ACLU. In 2006 , Feldblum admitted that when sexual freedom and religious liberty conflict, “I’m having a hard time coming up with any case in which religious liberty should win.”

At a recent GLSEN awards ceremony, a wealthy homosexual activist, David Bohnett, stated: “It’s time to combat head-on the religious organizations that are funding the opposition to marriage equality and safe school legislation.” He further declared: “Among our greatest adversaries who actively work against us are the leaders of the Catholic, Mormon, and evangelical churches who seek to deny equal protection for us and for our children.” Bohnett called for “active measures” to be taken against such religious organizations: “The Bible is all too often used as a weapon against us”. He argued that children taught that the Bible condemns homosexuality may become “school bullies” and later become the adults who vote “to deny marriage equality.”

It seems sadly ironic that the man who campaigned on the theme of unity is proving to be the most radical and divisive President in the history of the nation. President Obama’s hate crimes amendment will undoubtedly have the affect of chilling religious speech and may well be the counter-weapon to the Bible that the likes of Bohnett are seeking to try to silence their opposition. The battle has been joined. I only hope that parents of school children and the churches realize it.


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To: RobbyS
>>They really just want to tear down all the fences.
 
"Praise be he who permits the forbidden"
 
--Tsvi Sabbatai, circa 1660
 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sabbatai+sexual+%22Praised+be+he+who+permits+the+forbidden%22+-zionism&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

21 posted on 11/02/2009 11:39:56 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: wintertime

>>They are pretend patriots.

Quack, Waddle...

Dialectic Carpetbaggers.


22 posted on 11/02/2009 11:43:06 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

Before or after he switched?


23 posted on 11/02/2009 11:52:36 AM PST by RobbyS (Chirho.)
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To: LomanBill

Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes!


24 posted on 11/02/2009 11:55:30 AM PST by RobbyS (Chirho.)
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To: LomanBill
Many times it comes down to definition as to what is “natural.” This young woman based it upon physics or physical laws. If is exists in nature, it is natural. How could it be unnatural if it existed in nature? As you point out, you could say that bestiality or pedophilia is natural, since it exists. So is cancer and Ebola, as you noted. There is a difference between “is” and “should.” I am not certain how this young woman makes ethical decisions. She seems to adopt a position of moral or cultural relativism.
25 posted on 11/02/2009 12:09:12 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: NYer; WallStreetCapitalist
We have homo advocate trolls right here on FR...

WallStreetCapitalist
Since Oct 16, 2009

"On gay rights: I try to be as pragmatic as possible on everything and here's what I believe thus far ... gay men aren't going to wake up and want to sleep with women (and visa versa for lesbians) anymore than I'm going to want to wake up and kiss some dude. 1.) I'm not going to tell them to be celibate because I wouldn't be if society told me I couldn't get married and have children. 2.) I wouldn't want a gay man marrying my daughter, when I'm eventually blessed to have one, because she deserves someone that desires her both in body and mind, no matter how much he said Jesus had changed his heart (and as someone who is saved, I believe fully in the conversion experience and forgiveness of Christ) 3.) Given these facts, as a civilization, monogamy and commitment are better than promiscuity, isn't refusing to provide protections to same sex couples is an irrational application of fairness because it attempts to punish what would be otherwise good behavior under the misguided notion that someone can wake-up and turn off all emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction??? This is what our Bible group has been discussing because the church isn't answering the question, "What do we do with these people?" As an employer, I've given this a lot of thought and gone through nearly every argument. Maybe it's that I'm young, but I just don't get the big deal - why are we as Republicans so freaking obsessed with this? Isn't abortion a bigger problem? And no, pedophilia, adultery, et al., isn't a valid comparison because of the legal notion of consent (a child can't consent), and an adulterer has the option to be in a sexual relationship with a spouse they love and adore; we are telling gays they can't."

Convoluted, twisted absurdity...

26 posted on 11/02/2009 2:01:13 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: LomanBill
Dialectic Carpetbaggers.

Great terminology... See my post #26 for a good example of such right here on FR...

27 posted on 11/02/2009 2:03:45 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: LomanBill; Nosterrex
Since homosexuality occurs in nature, it must be natural.

So does Down Syndrome, cleft palate and a host of other disabling conditions.

Kudos on seeing through his thin skin!

28 posted on 11/02/2009 3:26:20 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Simple explanation: 0bama is a muslim who hates Christianity and America.

Sodom Hussein Obama.

29 posted on 11/02/2009 3:29:20 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: NYer

You can go back and read the conversation for yourself; there were several other Christians and I that were having a discussion about Sodom the Bible (he claimed there was a verse that didn’t exist when it clearly did, in black and white, in Ezekiel) when the poster that wrote that to you (who is a self-proclaimed atheist) sent about 15 messages to me consecutively. After awhile, I gave up because my world view is shaped by my Christianity and I realized asking a question from a theological point of view from someone who doesn’t believe in the divinity of Christ is a pointless exercise. The foundation of my personal life is that Jesus Christ was the son of God and that I’m saved through His grace. Since we couldn’t agree on that basic premise, I realized I couldn’t actually have a conversation about the religious implications of homosexuality in America.

The longer I don’t respond to him, the more desperate he seems to get. It’s like he can’t help post on the topic.

You can read my posting history for yourself. I’m a Christian, and 99.99% conservative in everything from pro-life, pro-gun rights, lower taxes, and strong defense. Most of my topic postings are in economic and business. This particular conversation was about the demographic struggles we have as a conservative movement because even though I myself am a Christian and believe in the immorality of homosexuality, because of my age (in my mid-twenties), I find myself understanding the argument against government involvement on that one issue. If I was that way, I asked, what could we do to stop the demographic problems that we are facing as a nation (complaining about them isn’t going to do anything - we need an actual, concrete plan). Everyone wants to complain but no one has come up with a workable solution.

Read the other posters’ comments. He’s only interested in calling people racially degrading terms or saying what he’s against. He hasn’t pro-offered one, workable plan to actually get conservatives back in control of the government or work to maintain religious liberty in a world where people are being increasingly punished for their own rights (e.g., the Brookstone employee that was fired because he told his coworker he didn’t agree with her lesbian “marriage” because of his Christian beliefs). My world view is that we need to figure out how to change the laws and culture so that couldn’t happen; that employee must be allowed to remain faithful to his Christianity. The other poster is more concerned with killing the “fags” and excoriating them without providing any solution to the underlying problem. He thinks my attempt to find a workable, practical solution to the problem, combined with my realization that time is not on our side due to trends in voter beliefs by age, somehow makes me liberal.

If you take the time to read what I’ve said, you’re realizing that I in no way condone the behavior. I want to know what we, as conservatives and more importantly for those of us who are Christians, as Christians, are going to do to address the practical reality of the demographic problems we are facing. Ignoring them would be like Churchill pretending that Hitler was just having a “bad day”. It’s a recipe for disaster.

Frankly, I do not understand the emotional investment he has in the argument. It’s like he just can’t let it go.


30 posted on 11/02/2009 3:44:15 PM PST by WallStreetCapitalist
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To: WallStreetCapitalist

Just throw the rest of your Bible in the trash false prophet, you already dumped Genesis...


31 posted on 11/02/2009 3:46:23 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: WallStreetCapitalist
my attempt to find a workable, practical solution to the problem, combined with my realization that time is not on our side due to trends in voter beliefs by age, somehow makes me liberal.

You are a YouTube troll who has come here to push the pervert angle...

"a workable, practical solution to the problem" = NO.

32 posted on 11/02/2009 3:49:34 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: LomanBill

Quack, Waddle...Dialectic Carpetbaggers.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is an excellent way to state it. Very creative!


33 posted on 11/02/2009 3:53:44 PM PST by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: WallStreetCapitalist

Interesting perspective.

Ping for later.


34 posted on 11/02/2009 3:55:47 PM PST by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: WallStreetCapitalist
Thank you for the post and ping! Without a freeper name, there is no way I can include the poster to whom you are referring, in my response. Be that as it may, perhaps I can provide you with some comfort and solace insofar as your christian position on the situation vis a vis the current trends in society.

I want to know what we, as conservatives and more importantly for those of us who are Christians, as Christians, are going to do to address the practical reality of the demographic problems we are facing.

The first thing necessary to addressing this topic is to understand it within the context of our christian faith. I can only approach this as a Catholic but feel confident you will be able to follow along.

Setting aside our scriptural roots for purposes of discussion amongst secularists, the first and probably the most important argument is that homosexual marriage is contrary to natural law. Neither two men nor two women can physically reproduce. To gain a greater understanding of how this applies to the defense of marriage, I would encourage you to read:

CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

In a very clever turn of events, the homosexual community recognized several years ago that their argument was losing support so they switched grounds and elevated their argument to one of civil rights. Here, I would encourage you to read what the Catholic Church teaches on this topic.

Life in Christ.

Ultimately, your appeal must be elevated to our Lord, in daily prayer. Pray for our country! Pray for those who seek to overturn the natural law. Never underestimate the efficacy of prayer!

35 posted on 11/02/2009 4:15:11 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

36 posted on 11/02/2009 6:40:23 PM PST by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: NYer

Who knew “Romeo and Juliet” was subversive, brainwashing innocent children into heterosexual attitudes! Gosh, that’s just terrible. We must do something about this now! Ban “Romeo and Juliet,” and all Shakespeare! There’s alot of that indoctrination in those other guys too! Milton, Dickens, Henry James, oh my gosh, Evelyn Waugh! For the SAKE OF THE CHILDREN, we really must burn all the “great books” of Western Civilization. V-Monologues and such from now on will be the only “literature” admitted in schools and libraries. The shelves will be pretty empty, but the government can issue a 3 trillion dollar stimulus package for homosexual writers to fill them up quickly. Whew, I’m so glad I now understand how I’ve been simply brainwashed all my life by stuff like going to the prom or reading Peanuts cartoons.


37 posted on 11/02/2009 11:52:37 PM PST by baa39
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To: NYer
Groups like GLSEN and the ACLU are now closer than ever to eradicating from the public schools all traces of the Judeo-Christian beliefs which have greatly influenced our American culture for over two centuries

oh so true...and Barry Lynn of AFTSOTAS too..ADL as well

38 posted on 11/03/2009 12:02:45 AM PST by wardaddy (folks, these freepathons are taking too long tightwads, shame on us in front of the kooks)
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To: narses

Any clergyman (like Anglican Bishop Gene Robinson) or any other false Christian who advocates homosexual monogamy is blaspheming the Holy Spirit - in terms of what the Bible says.

(This atheist would like to see commentary from our more expert Christian practitioners here on FR about that particular topic of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.)


39 posted on 11/04/2009 6:50:52 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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