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Huckabee is lying about cop killer's age and criminal record in Arkansas
The Examiner ^ | 12/4/2009 | Kevin Hall

Posted on 12/04/2009 11:06:29 AM PST by bigred08

Mike Huckabee is a liar. He granted clemency to a dangerous criminal, but wants us to believe everyone would have acted the same way. Huckabee's efforts to shift blame away from himself includes a total fabrication of Maurice Clemmons' extensive criminal history.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: huckabee; huckster; lakewoodshooting; mauriceclemmons; rinodefendershere
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To: Quickgun

Excellent points.

It’s worth adding something I heard on the Michael Medved Show yesterday.

Before Clemmons obtained his clemency, he was something less than a model prisoner. He was involved in acts of violence while in prison. Let’s place a heavy emphasis on the word “acts”.

Huckabee claimed to have read Clemmons’ entire record. I’d have to assume that record included his record while in prison. Maybe it didn’t.

But it stands to reason that huckabee should have taken a look at Clemmons’ conduct while in prison. At that point, he probably (or at least hopefully) would have said “This guy looks like a real POS. There won’t be any clemency order coming from me”.

And I’d also include the parole board as well. It was up to them to look at every aspect of Clemmons’ record BEFORE they considered clemency.


41 posted on 12/04/2009 2:43:47 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: TheDailyChange
Just another Southern Talkin Slicky!

Would you've felt better about it if he was just another Northern Talkin Slicky instead?

42 posted on 12/04/2009 3:14:51 PM PST by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Good people tend to see good in everyone. Huckabee probably should have just stayed a minister. The fact that he let too many prisoners out was probably based on trying to bring out the “good” in people .What he didn’t realise is that some folks just don’t have any good in them. The few people that think that he let those people go for some kind of personal gain are full of crap. There was nothing in it for him. Out of the 1000 or so that were let go I’ll be willing to bet that less than 50 ever voted after that. And there’s a good chance they voted democrat if they did.
Iam sure that due to Clemmon’s age, Huckabee was touched to see a life that young wasted. He made a mistake.
I do not support Huck for President. Personally I don’t think he has the leadership skills.
I wonder, though, if folks ought to be helping him over this instead of joining the MSM in attacking him. I don’t know......


43 posted on 12/04/2009 3:29:21 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Pray for Obama,Psalms109:8)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The media probably would have spun it that way anyway. If Huck has no credibility now, the media still has less....


44 posted on 12/04/2009 3:31:55 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Pray for Obama,Psalms109:8)
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To: Quickgun
I wonder, though, if folks ought to be helping him over this instead of joining the MSM in attacking him.

My impression is that the MSM isn't really attacking him - they're not using the kinds of loaded expressions you usually get when they're in persecution mode. There's also no full-court press* in which they investigate everything he's ever done, the way they went after Palin. They're treating this as an aberration - an unusual exception that shouldn't affect what they'd like to see as a general rule, paroles that are granted early and often. Conservatives are reading the news and slamming Huck for the facts in plain view - Huck has set free two people who killed after their release.

* I don't think, for instance, that the media have investigated whether the 1000 other people he paroled have since carried out felonies that - Willie Horton-style - did not involve killing people.

45 posted on 12/04/2009 3:57:48 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: dcwusmc
Granny, this site has the Bloodhound.Exploit.287 virus attached to it, per Norton 360, which shut down my browser as the site was trying to load. I’d rethink posting it as a link, were I you!

Is your browser Internet Explorer?

46 posted on 12/04/2009 4:00:13 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei

No way. I use the latest Mozilla Firefox.


47 posted on 12/04/2009 4:22:51 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: Zhang Fei
You’re probably right about the MSM not being in full attack mode, They’re not as afraid of Huck as they are of Sarah. I just don’t care to see conservatives go too far in attacking Huck ,either. I does our cause no good. He has a good heart, and his benevolence got him in trouble. We have to remember that people like Huckabee weren’t raised up with people like Clemmons. The elementary school bully was probably the worst person Huck ever knew. And I wouldn’t go so far as call him out as a liar on this issue. He did what he thought to be the right thing to at the time. Unfortunatly ,it wasn’t.
48 posted on 12/04/2009 4:40:04 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Pray for Obama,Psalms109:8)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
Huckabee obviously knew at the time that 108 years meant 25 to 108 years (he would have been eligible for parole in 2015 if Huckabee had not commuted his sentence) and “47 years” meant he would be released immediately, after only 11 years.

This is the nuttiest thing about the justice system. When one side reduces sentences to compensate for the other side, which increases sentences to compensate. At some point someone should realize that no one is accomplishing anything, except to make things more prone to error like the ones that occurred in this case after Huckabee's initial misguided clemency.

49 posted on 12/04/2009 4:46:17 PM PST by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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To: hoosierham
I have never bought into the whole juvenile gets off because of age, because the victims are not any less dead.

Just wanted to point out that the crimes committed by Clemons when he was a juvenile were robbery and assault. He hadn't murdered anyone until later.

50 posted on 12/04/2009 4:49:09 PM PST by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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To: bamagirl1944

WRONG.

Clemmons was 17 when he committed all the crimes except the original one....punching & robbing a 7th grader. Read the article.


51 posted on 12/04/2009 4:52:18 PM PST by bigred08
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To: Quickgun
They’re not as afraid of Huck as they are of Sarah.

Huck is an social conservative who did nothing to advance the cause of social conservatism in Arkansas. He is also an economic liberal. Palin shook up the establishment and went after cherished liberal programs. I don't think it's that they're afraid of her any more than they're afraid of GWB. They will go after anyone who attacks the social and economic programs to which they have become attached. They view her much as a devout Muslim would view an apostate - someone despicable to be shunned and exiled from polite company.

52 posted on 12/04/2009 4:55:39 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Ben Mugged
I think people think that Clemmons murdered cops, then Huckabee granted him clemency. Or at least that Huckabee got Clemmons out of prison as the most recent act that made Clemmons free to kill the cops.

The examiner, however, has a pretty fair article here:Mike Huckabee granted cop killer Clemmons clemency that despite the headline points out the actual timeline and says people are being unfair to Huckabee.

53 posted on 12/04/2009 5:01:30 PM PST by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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To: bigred08
Forgiveness is one thing, but from what I hear, the Huckster was the poster boy for forgiving, pardoning and commuting sentences.

Makes me wonder how many of the Huckster's other gifts to society have repaid us with more of what the Huck forgave.

Huck has reinforced something I learned a few years ago: being a "Governor from Arkansas" should be an automatic disqualifier for anyone seeking higher office.

He's not my huckleberry.

54 posted on 12/04/2009 5:50:14 PM PST by GBA
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To: bigred08

There will be other tragedies associated with the other rapists and murderers he’s had a hand in turning loose on society. For all we know other criminals have already re-offended and their crimes haven’t been discovered yet or tied back to the easy pardon putz. He was way too lenient on these criminals, most do not change. It’s just a matter of time until the next headline.


55 posted on 12/04/2009 6:13:35 PM PST by jim35 (A racist is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Iowa Granny
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56 posted on 12/04/2009 6:54:34 PM PST by GBA
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To: bigred08

Yes, it seems that Mike should have been spending his time trying to build up the Republican Party in AR instead of making it easier for violent criminals to get back out on the streets. But building the GOP in AR was “too hard” for Huckabee, and he failed badly on that mission. I can’t imagine him being a factor in 2012. But I can’t see any of our “candidates” getting elected in 2012 either.


57 posted on 12/04/2009 10:26:20 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Above My Pay Grade

At one point in American history...if you got 40 years in prison...you actually sat for forty years in prison. Then we started to say that five years could be knocked off for good behavior....being the good Christians that we were. Then we said ten years could be knocked off. Then we said that fifteen years could be knocked off. Then we said that twenty years could be knocked off.

So now, with a little help from the governor.....we could give a guy 100 years in prison....and he could walk out at the ten year point.

So why bother with court cases? I think the offended family injured...might as well claim what a Scotsman would claim...the right to retribution...and leave the court out of the system entirely. Why bother with the fairness of the situation...leave it to the offended party to dish out punishment.


58 posted on 12/05/2009 1:38:51 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: bigred08

Great video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faKzzgXVAv8
“Huckabee and Clemency”
(to the tune of “Yesterday”)
“Clemency, you can get it from Mike Huckabee”


59 posted on 12/05/2009 2:54:07 AM PST by iowamark
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To: bigred08

This is too funny. The huckster keeps getting exposed as a complete scumbag. Seems like only yesterday his followers were defending him here on good ol FR.

Good riddance to him and his sheep!


60 posted on 12/05/2009 2:59:43 AM PST by rrrod
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