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1 posted on 12/07/2009 7:56:23 AM PST by MNDude
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No. It’s a copout.


2 posted on 12/07/2009 7:58:22 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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I’ll be interested to see any examples as well.

We in Houston have a candidate running for mayor who claims to be the “conservative answer” in her ads. The ad is, of course, with regards to her opponent’s spending habits.

She’s a lesbian, so I’m PRETTY sure she’s not a social conservative. =P


3 posted on 12/07/2009 8:00:18 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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no


4 posted on 12/07/2009 8:01:33 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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"Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative, Such a Thing?"

Well, here's my take on that...

They say that "socially liberal=fiscally conservative is the hallmark of libertarians.

But the libertarians I know - including my son - vote for the most fiscally irresponsible person I've ever known, barack - the kenyan - obama. To me, that totally blows the fiscal conservatism theory away.

Now, if they are "socially liberal", that means that they are all for the plethera of social programs championed by the left, which means billions and billions of taxpayer dollars - including theirs - lost in fraud, and cheating...again, not too fiscally conservative.

So therefore, I think people who claim to be "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" (libertarians) are simply liberals who want to spend everyone else's money, but not their own.

Just sayin....
5 posted on 12/07/2009 8:04:18 AM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative ...

IMHO, that describes many establishment GOPer's (Steele, Newt, McCain, Graham, Voinivich, Collins, Snowe, Romney, etc., with even some apologists here) [see Scozzafava-NY 2009], who think they can jettison social conservatives and still win elections.

6 posted on 12/07/2009 8:05:17 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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It's a theoretical impossibility.

To be socially liberal is to use the power of the state to encourage destructive behaviors like drug abuse and sexual promiscuity. The social liberal protects people from the natural consequences of their immorality. This often involves subsidies, which are expensive. The expenses increase dramatically over time as more people respond to the incentives that the social liberal set up by indulging in more destructive behavior.

The socially liberal state can never be cheap. Any politician who joins the left in demolishing conventional morality and promises tight budgets at the same time is a liar.

7 posted on 12/07/2009 8:07:12 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


8 posted on 12/07/2009 8:08:46 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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Socially Liberal? Fiscally Conservative? Mutually Exclusive?

Just sayin’...


10 posted on 12/07/2009 8:11:10 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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Social liberalism will inevitably result in fiscal liberalism... why? How do you think they fund all of those feel-good, socially liberal programs?

Definitions are important. A social liberal thinks that wealth should be “spread around” through government programs like welfare, et al. How can that view be reconciled with a fiscal conservative who recognizes personal property beyond the purview of the state? It can’t.


13 posted on 12/07/2009 8:12:20 AM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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Yes, they are called Rockefeller Republicans. Back when Republicans were permanent losers, they controlled the party. When the Christian Conservatives gave up on the Dems, they took over the Republican Party. Some called them the "Silent Majority". This coalition made the Party more competitive and were able to win some elections. Many in the Party feel the Christians should sit down and shut up, but this would make the Repubs a permanent loser again. I remember going to the Texas State convention when Allen Keyes was a candidate and some Republicans rose and left saying, "If I wanted a sermon, I would go to church", as he explained the evils of abortion and how none of us were safe if we were allowed to murder the most innocent of us.

As we see today, the state has been allowed to murder Terri Shiavo, and now, as you will soon see, they will kill whom ever costs them too much money to keep alive. A Democrat can't connect murder of babies to murder of your mother in their limited mental capacity. Only Christians with discernment seem to be able to do that, understanding the evil in men's hearts.

An example of this Republican state of mind would be Rudy Guliani or Bloomberg. They are fine on taxes, but libertarian on moral issues. The lesson from all this is, Chritian conservatives must remain in control of the Party or the Repubs will return to obscurity. There are many in the Party that can't stand us, but they will put up with us to get their tax cut.

15 posted on 12/07/2009 8:14:29 AM PST by chuckles
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'Socially liberal, fiscally conservative....."

These phrases are mutually antithetical. You can't be both at the same time.

A prime example of one who stays on top and gets away with this kind of blather is Bill O'Reilly who is socially liberal, fiscally conservative, socially conservative, fiscally liberal, conservatively conservative and liberally liberal all the while he's looking out for YOU!

Leni

18 posted on 12/07/2009 8:15:11 AM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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RE :”Fiscally Conservative” republicans?

What does that mean? Most of them claim that. Repubicans spend like democrats. But we got many socially conservative republicans(some here) that like big government too, as long as a republican is in power and their taxes dont go up. Short sighted. I call this the Bush/McCain fans/

19 posted on 12/07/2009 8:15:50 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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No, there is not.


21 posted on 12/07/2009 8:18:17 AM PST by sport
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Just from personally experience, the “Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative” types have been the most muddle-brained folks I know. They are all over the map on the issues and get erratic when their philosophies collide.
24 posted on 12/07/2009 8:21:08 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (The GOP faithful want me to believe I have only two voting options......"bad" and "worse")
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Social liberalism is liberalism, period. Social liberalism costs big time; if not today, then down the road.... but it costs.

Christian liberalism in the aspect of giving is always voluntary; no compulsion from either the state or from any organized religious hierarchy. Second Corinthians calls it “liberality,” which is too obviously defined from the context as voluntary giving from the heart. This is of course, a Christian grace encouraged by the Scriptures and prompted by the Holy Spirit.

Government, pretending to be God and Robin Hood all at the same time, strips ability from the citizens to be liberal in the (voluntary) giving to the needy, and it also strips away our resources to properly plan to take care of our own elderly. Government, therefore actually encourages selfishness, greed, graft, and irresponsibility.


26 posted on 12/07/2009 8:22:57 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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1)I don’t care what an individual does in the privacy of their own home whether watching porn or playing bongos naked.

2) You want an abortion...fine...you pay for it...and don’t ask for my social approval.

3) If you privately engage in risky sexual behavior and are disease ridden, don’t ask me to pay for your health care.

4) Fry your brains with pot, don’t ask me to fund your rehab.

5) Do the crime, do the time

6) Success is determined on ones own merits, not the color of ones skin.

7) Don’t like guns???...then don’t buy one and don’t tell me I cannot have one.

8) Don’t like Rush Limbaugh??? then don’t listen....

9) Don’t tell me about the twig in my eye when there is a log in yours.

10) Those without fault...feel free to cast stones!!!


27 posted on 12/07/2009 8:25:11 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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I'm curious if anyone give give some examples of any politicians who really is Socially Liberal but Fiscally Conservative.

They'd be the ones who are against the war but support the troops.

Or the ones who didn't inhale.

28 posted on 12/07/2009 8:27:20 AM PST by HIDEK6
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We know a couple, who have proudly bragged about being Fiscal Conservatives and Socially Liberal.

They have been hit hard by the financial meltdown and owe everyone they could get a loan from with zero payments in over a year. They haven’t paid a mortgage payment in about two years.

Now the husband appears to have a Sugar Mommy over 800 miles away, where he is supposedly starting a new business. He goes there for a couple of weeks at a time and doesn’t call or contact his wife during his travel. He is never where, he is supposed to be. The public agencies in the far away city, which he supposedly is setting up training programs for, don’t know who he is, or anything about his so called company.

The wife complains that that he doesn’t give her any money, she doesn’t have money for groceries, and it costs $70 to fill up her 2 year old Mercedes. When we suggest that she sell her expensive Rolex and similiar items, which she still has, her eyes get glassy and she ignores us and others with similiar suggestions. Supposedly, no one wants to buy her Mercedes.

In retrospect, she was a peacenik hippie re made in to a high society liberal and supposedly financial conservative.

He is a real chameleon and is probably a liberal libertarian with out the camo.


29 posted on 12/07/2009 8:28:01 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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Yes....It’s called a RINO-yoyo.


31 posted on 12/07/2009 8:29:37 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative, Such a Thing?

That question could be cut in half and still be valid.

33 posted on 12/07/2009 8:31:03 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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