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1 posted on 01/25/2010 7:53:18 PM PST by smokingfrog
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Well, I might get flamed for this, but he has a point. 5,000,000 non-Jews died in the Holocaust and almost no one knows it. We only hear about the Jews, sometimes about Gypsies and homosexuals and that’s about it.


2 posted on 01/25/2010 7:56:13 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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"and this favors a certain arrogance that I find unbearable"

Sound like the pot calling the kettle black. Lets not talk about the wholesale slaughter by the Church of indigenous people of South America and Mexico.

3 posted on 01/25/2010 7:57:41 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: smokingfrog

There are, very sadly, some Jewish folks (even in the ADL itself) who hype this already horrendous tragedy, not for the sake of revising generally agreed historical statistics, but to keep on wringing money out of parties, even some of their own.


4 posted on 01/25/2010 7:58:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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In so far as Poland lost 6 million people (20% of its population) and only half were Jewish, I can understand soe bitterness at what they see as appropriation. However, let us not forget that the communist government of Poland actually tried to downplay Jewish deaths, perhaps as cover for their antisemitism. Meanwhile, East Germans and other communists used the Holocaust to attack all nationalism. I see no condemnation of this. I also see no condemnation of homosexuals trying to appropriate the Holocaust. Instead, he is singling out Jews and claims against Israel. The bishop does himself no favors.


8 posted on 01/25/2010 8:03:28 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: smokingfrog

why do those who hate jews find it so hard to believe that it did happen, after all they themselves would be happy to carry it out, right now


9 posted on 01/25/2010 8:06:37 PM PST by 4rcane
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Well, the Catholic church is a big organization. There's always going to be the danger of a bad selection in the clergy. If this guy wasn't a nutcake when he was appointed(?) there's always the danger of going mental after he reached his position. The 40’s and 50’s are the danger years for male brains, so consider that as well.

You are aware that there has been quite a resurgence of antisemitism in the world of late, though we in the US haven't really had that much exposure. It seems to be far more of a European thing, or a Middle Eastern thing, or a Far Eastern thing.....Hell, it's worldwide and getting worse as far as I can tell. I really don't believe it ever went away in Europe. The Jews need every edge they can get with those odds.

10 posted on 01/25/2010 8:07:43 PM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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20 posted on 01/25/2010 8:27:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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Oh Really? Yeah, thanks for that warning Bishop. The Roman Catholic Church knows NOTHING about exploiting suffering for their own benefit. NOTHING at all...


38 posted on 01/25/2010 9:15:30 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: smokingfrog

Many of us Jews know that millions of Poles and other nationalities/ethnics/religious people died at the hands of the Nazis.

A late friend of mine was Stefan Korbonski, a leader of the Polish Home Army. He was one of the few PHA leaders to smuggle guns into the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto so that the people could resist the Nazis. For this he was honored with the title of Righteous Gentile by the Vad Yashem Memorial/Foundation in Israel. He was a nice gentleman, a friend of Karski.

Another historical fact. The majority (some say up to 70% of the Polish Reserve Officers killed in the Soviet-perpetrated Katyn Forest Massacre) were Jewish. Many Jewish citizens of both German and Poland joined Reserve organizations, often after having served in WW 1.

My friend’s great-uncles received two Iron Crosses Second or Third Class for their serving in the German Army in WW1. One was killed in action; the other was beaten to death by the Nazis in 1933 eventhough he was a well known civic figure in his town.


44 posted on 01/25/2010 10:41:11 PM PST by ToTheMax
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The whole discussion is silly anyway. Imagine if it was proven that in cold blood, Bush ordered the murder of a political opponent and his family,,, just ONE family. That is what happened back then, and the priest thinks it’s moral to attack the people trying to remember the murdered.

Nazi lovers argue about numbers, targeted groups, and intent. Some confused souls seem to think that being anti-communist means everytime the Nazis are discussed, they must helpfully point out that the Soviets were worse. Like Nazism was really much different than communism. Hitler as “anti-communist” was and is a joke.

Even the crazy priest in the story starts in by saying “the Jews have all that money, and power, etc”. Goebels would be proud of the guy.


53 posted on 01/26/2010 7:24:00 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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"It is undeniable that the greatest number of dead in concentration camps were Jews but there are also Polish gypsies, Italians and Catholics on the list,"

This statement is true.

"It is not right to expropriate that tragedy for propaganda,"

I agree. Rahm Emmanuel's policy of "never let[ting] a good crisis go to waste" is repugnant.

memorial days should be held for the "victims of communism, for Catholics, for persecuted Christians and so on."

I see nothing objectionable about this opinion, and I certainly agree that the Communists have gotten off lightly.

"But they, the Jews, enjoy good press because they have powerful financial means behind them, enormous power and the unconditional backing of the United States and this favors a certain arrogance that I find unbearable."

He's entitled to his opinion, is he not? Perhaps, however, rather than complaining about the existence of eg. the ADL it would be more productive to form a group dedicated to exposing the horrors committed against gentiles by the national socialists ... and against all people by the international communists.

56 posted on 01/26/2010 9:09:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: smokingfrog
Haaretz is hardly an unbiased source. I am disappointed that none of those so quick to jump on the story and bash Bishop Tadeusz Pieronek have actually bothered to see what he actally said.
57 posted on 01/26/2010 9:14:44 AM PST by Natural Law
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