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Congress to dump Obama NASA plan
Flight Global ^ | 2-25-10 | Rob Coppinger

Posted on 02/25/2010 11:16:41 AM PST by Species8472

White House plans to axe NASA's return-to-the-Moon Constellation programme and ground the Space Shuttle have sparked unified opposition from Congress, which looks determined to preserve a full spectrum of US manned spaceflight activities.

A draft Congressional bill leaked to Flight International sets out the politicians' alternate plan. It involves possibly extending Shuttle life to 2015, running competitive commercial crew and cargo programmes and continuing development of Constellation's vehicles including a heavylift rocket designed to get astronauts to the Moon in the 2020s and then Mars.

senator Bill Nelson of Florida says of the opposition to the Obama plan: "I have never seen [Congress] as unified as we are now."

(Excerpt) Read more at flightglobal.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: congress; nasa; obama; space
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To: Species8472

like swinging in quicksand


41 posted on 02/25/2010 1:23:07 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: pallis

amen!


42 posted on 02/25/2010 1:23:12 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: skr
Rubio, McCollum and Crist are running for Nelson’s seat on the Republican side.

No they're not, they're running for Mel's old seat. Nellie is still serving. We still have 2 more years of Nelson to go.

43 posted on 02/25/2010 1:28:11 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Roll back Pelosi" Rush Limbaugh, 2/12/10)
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To: ScreamingFist
Yes, let's leave it to the Chinese and Russians.

Weird to see Joss Whedon look like a bit of a prophet: who figured astronauts would be speaking Chinese, at least part of the time?

44 posted on 02/25/2010 1:32:03 PM PST by BelegStrongbow (Dear Leader: you have two ears and one mouth. Start using them in proportion.)
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To: rogertarp

Of course you are right. We are broke.

I’m more interested in people unifying against Obama.

However - back to NASA.

Obama’s plan only cuts a program. However he still plans to increase spending on NASA.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2009/02/nasa-to-get-187-billion-in-obama-budget-.html

“WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama would give NASA nearly $19 billion in a 2010 budget plan unrolled this morning — a small increase over the $18 billion that the Bush administration had planned for the space agency next year, according to budget documents.

The boost adds to the $1 billion that NASA already has received under Obama’s stimulus plan. Combined, these two increases represent slightly better days for NASA officials and space enthusiasts, who have complained for years that NASA doesn’t receive the funding it needs.”


45 posted on 02/25/2010 1:34:39 PM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: NonValueAdded; Frantzie

Oops, you’re right, NonValueAdded. They are running for Martinez’s seat. I have heard that Nelson was going to retire, but perhaps he was only considering it. I recall the usual “spend more time with my family” reason.


46 posted on 02/25/2010 1:35:01 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: AndyJackson
You should fee lost. There is a lot of rah rah cheerleading on FR for things that don't actually make any sense. A lot of the reason that the scientific community oposes manned spaceflight is that they believe it to be an extravagant stunt that drastically cuts into resources to put useful scientific instruments into space.

Useful scientific equipment in space can fail or need maintenance. Building an elevator up to them is just not practical. Launching a MANNED ship to do such repairs is practical as it has been done. Hubble telescope is one example.

With our communications grid switching from land line to cellular and satellite technology the need is more so. Add to that the defense satellite grid and you have NEED.

Many federal programs should be cut. NASA does a legitimate function and is related to our defense. The cost vs benefits rendered from NASA has been a major part in the technology we use today as has our defense technologies as applied to our daily lives.

47 posted on 02/25/2010 1:37:09 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: skr
"He’s retiring."

I don't believe so. Or, at least he hasn't made any public announce of that fact. He was just reelected in 2006. He's not up for reelection until '12.

48 posted on 02/25/2010 1:39:11 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Liberty Valance

I bet they took the 8-track tape player too.


49 posted on 02/25/2010 1:41:08 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: rogertarp

Do you:

Watch cable TV?

Have a Blackberry?

Use GPS?


50 posted on 02/25/2010 1:54:21 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: rogertarp
I am lost. We know we are broke. We want government spending to be reduced. Yet people here want to blow billions on stuff that we have already done ( been to the Moon— Done that) and go around and round to nowhere with another politically correct crew. We are out of money. Shut it down.

The President is proposing to shut NASA down, he simply wants to end the manned Space Flight program and shift the monies to other things. He's actually proposing to INCREASE NASA's budget while relying on Russian rockets to deliver our satellites and service the ISS. Not only are we ending the proposed Mars missions, but with the retirement of the space shuttles and the end of the Constellation program, they want us to have a "space" program with no launch vehicles capable of getting to space at all. It's ridiculous.

51 posted on 02/25/2010 2:10:28 PM PST by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: Blackyce
Editing the above

The President ISN'T proposing to shut NASA down, he simply wants to end the manned Space Flight program and shift the monies to other things. He's actually proposing to INCREASE NASA's budget while relying on Russian rockets to deliver our satellites and service the ISS. Not only are we ending the proposed Mars missions, but with the retirement of the space shuttles and the end of the Constellation program, they want us to have a "space" program with no launch vehicles capable of getting to space at all. It's ridiculous.
52 posted on 02/25/2010 2:12:02 PM PST by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: cva66snipe

According to whom?

What can manned spaceflight accomplish that unmanned space flights cannot?

Houston talk radio is amazing on this. For 364 days a year, it’s “Cut all government spending!”

Yesterday, this was the discussion and the message was “We need this government spending, because I work there!”


53 posted on 02/25/2010 2:13:46 PM PST by MrRobertPlant2009
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To: Frantzie

Why do people always have to post something negative?

I really don’t care what you think of Nelson when he is doing something good here.


54 posted on 02/25/2010 2:14:44 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: ScreamingFist
The cost of proper testing and replacing the instruments is a lot less than the cost of having the capability to send up persons to fix them. We can get rovers on Mars without the ability to fix them mid flight. It can be done.

Hubble had to be repaired because the decision was made not to test the optics in order to save money.

55 posted on 02/25/2010 2:30:40 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: MrRobertPlant2009
Yesterday, this was the discussion and the message was “We need this government spending, because I work there!”

Some government spending is more important than other government spending. We have gotten to the point where we have one shipyard that can build nuke carriers (Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding Newport News, Virginia), and one shipyard that can build nuke submarines (Electric Boat Groton, Connecticut). When NASA lays off 4000 or so engineers, we (The US) will reduce our engineering capabilities even further. The UK had to contract Electric Boat to get their Astute class nuke submarine finished, because they lacked the engineering/software skill in country.

We are heading for the same disaster, with no one to turn to for help. I'll happily pay my tax dollars to keep our industrial base number one.

56 posted on 02/25/2010 2:45:54 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: MrRobertPlant2009
REPAIRS. Hubble for example was serviced at least twice in a manner robotics could not have done. A human being can on the spot assess and adapt to the situation to make repairs. Trying to build a one size fits all robotics unmanned repair system is not practical.

Second is even NASA with all it's advanced camera technology sometimes if they can sends out a human to obtain a better understanding of a given situation.

57 posted on 02/25/2010 2:51:24 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: rwfromkansas

Good for what? Unless you cut benefits to illegals and start cutting other things like space outreach to muslims then NASA just bankrupts the country faster.

I am amazed at the people here who say - oh you cannot cut this or that. The country is broke. We will feel the effects soon. You cannot have unlimited cake and ice cream.

Nelson is trying to get reelected.


58 posted on 02/25/2010 2:54:07 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: ScreamingFist

You have a muslim running the country destroying yet we need to build more subs and carriers. To protect us from what? This is like Rome where the legions were off fighting but the country (city state/empire) was being destroyed from within.

Oddly even people here cannot comprehend that the country is broke.


59 posted on 02/25/2010 2:56:30 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Frantzie
To protect us from what?

Frantzie, the lead time for carriers, subs and rockets can be decades from draft to launching. You can't simply say "build this" and it falls out of a plant the next day.

60 posted on 02/25/2010 3:00:22 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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