Re: Obama's birth and qualifications for the presidency

Vanity | May 1, 2010 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

One of the constitutional requirements for the office of the presidency is that he be a "natural born citizen." This was put into place by the founders to keep foreigners or persons who do not bear a non-questionable allegiance to the US Constitution out. Obviously, and admittedly Barack Hussein Obama was born to a foreign citizen and is not 100% American. He's half-American, half-African and all Marxist. He obviously bears no allegiance whatsoever to the US Constitution and is working overtime to destroy it. He's a usurper and should be removed from office. He is exactly the kind of fraud/usurper the founders feared.

[Natural Born 54]

I am aware of that section but there is something about McCain’s situation that makes it not applicable. I’ll try to find that reference but perhaps someone reading wouldn’t mind helping out - Beckwith, you there?

[thecodont]

Any criticism of Obama was off-limits during the campaign.

And why do you suppose that was?

[Drew68]

And why do you suppose that was?

There's no conspiracy.

I believe the main reason was a general feeling in the air that if America elects this guy, we'll get to bury old racial tensions, show ourselves to be enlightened and be welcomed back into the good graces of the world community once again. So let's not ask any uncomfortable questions that might produce uncomfortable answers and let's not allow anyone else to ask uncomfortable questions that might produce uncomfortable answers. Let's instead just rally behind this guy. That's why Hillary didn't ask questions, McCain didn't ask questions, the media and on and on. People didn't want to know anything about this guy. They just wanted for him to be president.

[danamco]

Because our pituitary gland produces less and less hormones after peeking at 30-40 yrs causing memory and physical loss!!!

[Natural Born 54]

I see someone knows - post 260. So McCain’s part in this whole farce is far from innocent.

[Tex-Con-Man]

I will answer more bluntly and less eloquently than my learned colleague from California...

White guilt elected Obama.

[tired_old_conservative]

“You’re not understanding the birther view.

It’s that he’s not eligible because he doesn’t meet the Constitutional requirements. Nothing to do with whether he’s American.

“Being American isn’t some magic key to enlightenment.”

This comment reveals beyond all doubt that you are in fact a tired old liberal. The idea that birthers might believe being American is a “magic key to enlightenment” cannot be inferred from a conservative perspective.”

Actually, you didn't read my comments very carefully, and your responses are specifically missing the point.

I wasn't even discussing the NBC issue. What I was specifically discussing was a comment that started this thread. That comment stated Obama was somehow not fully American because one of his parents was not an America citizen, that he was, in fact, only half-American. From a citizenship perspective, that is simply untrue; I further think it serves to undermine the credibility of arguments against his actual policies, and is kind of pointless since most of our Marxists are home grown with two citizen parents. I also made a specific point of distinguishing that issue from the NBC issue more commonly debated in these threads.

I made the comment about being American not being some key to Enlightenment for a specific reason. The implicit idea behind the half-American idea is that it is the foreign taint which produces policies inimical to conservative principles. That is also not true. Plenty of Americans with two citizen parents have liberal philosophical outlooks that embrace socialism to varying degrees. So obviously having a foreign parent is no critical factor. That should also not be surprising given that socialism and Marxism are creations of Western culture and thus inevitably have worked their way into our own national fabric as well.

I do understand the birther view. It simply had nothing specifically to do with the question at hand. The clear answer regarding Obama is that he has leftist principles in common with many other Americans. His parentage is irrelevant to that fact. Bringing it up simply weakens any philosophical arguments brought to bear from a conservative perspective.

Now, if you want to argue the birther issue, obviously Obama’s parentage can be considered relevant. I will gladly concede that even though I think the Birthers are wrong and won't get anywhere with the two-citizen-parent arguments. And as I also noted, the best game changer in that regard would be credible evidence that Obama was not actually born in the United States. Get that, and you've clearly got something potentially meaningful in a way I don't think the two-citizen-parent argument ever will be.

[Kevmo]

Yup, one of the more obnoxious certifigate trolls. Notice that he says the son will be eligible to run for president, just like Obama was eligible to RUN, but that doesn’t mean he’s eligible to HOLD the office.

[Smokin' Joe]

No wonder he doesn’t appear to like Arizona’s new law...

[Smokin' Joe]

A REAL American would never let a case like LTC Lakin get to the point of court martial and possible prison. NO, NO, NO!... A REAL American would be HONORED to show any soldier the full and complete best evidence that they were natural born.

This is an angle I had not considered. (even though I had considered the others)

What sort of commander, much less commander in chief, would permit one of his own to be court martialled when all they had to do was produce a piece of paper? No loyalty to our troops is evident here, only self-serving actions unfit for either a throne or the White House.

But then, his third-world mentality was earned in streets far from Washington D.C., and a heritage that despised the American way of life.

For those syncophants who fell for "Change", that is indeed the change Obama intends, from America as we have known it to something else.

[Beckwith]

I’m here. Don’t know what your referring to, but if you’re looking up a law or statute, that only proves McCain is a “statutory” citizen, and not a “natural born” citizen.

It boggles my mind — all this discussion — the concept of a “natural born” citizen is simple and clear.

“At birth,” a “natural born” citizen has no entanglements whatsoever with a foreign government or state — born in the USA of US citizen parents.

[dennisw]

Party on dude. Ain’t gonna happen.

[rambo316]

O’reilly and beck are jerks! They never talk about the true issue of NBC. They keep calling us birthers as in believing that the Usurper, BHO was not born here in the United States of America. Who knows, but one thing is for sure, he father was not an American; that is the bottom line and that makes the usurper, BHO not a natural born citizen.

[1234]

...The legal system appears to be complicit in protecting the secrecy and potential fraud perpetrated upon the American people....

so far, the system's been able to 'weasel out' of taking a final position on the matter-a worst case: USSC endlessly delaying adjudication.

'court of public opinion' has gotta get some more activity in view-the pending court/court martial cases give opportunities for this.

[Natural Born 54]

You said earlier in the thread that McCain wasn’t eligible either. I agree but was interested in why you believe that. Another poster answered the question which had to do with whether McCain met the “born on US soil” requirement by getting a pass on that because his parent(s) were serving in the US military.

[Beckwith]

I agree but was interested in why you believe that. Another poster answered the question which had to do with whether McCain met the “born on US soil” requirement by getting a pass on that because his parent(s) were serving in the US military.

I believe that because the half-dozen or so attorneys who regularly send me their opinions, and supporting caselaw, have convinced me of the correctness of their positions.

And, there are no passes. Here is the STATUTE that specifically address McCain's citizenship.

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

  (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

     Sec. 303. [8 U.S.C. 1403] Persons born in the Canal Zone or the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904

  (b) Any person born in the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this Act, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States employed by the Government of the United States or by the Panama Railroad Company, or its successor in title, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.

     This case fails the test of jus soli -- NOT born in the USA
This case meets the test of jus sanguinis -- parents are US citizens
This person has "dual citizenship" via his birthplace, was subject to to the laws and jurisdiction of TWO countries, is NOT a "natural born" citizen, and is NOT eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

[Kleon]

Someone whose father is a British subject is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

He is if he were born on American soil and doesn't renounce his U.S. citizenship. We don't let foreign citizenship laws dictate what kind of citizens we are under U.S. law.

[noinfringers]

I agee insofar that it is a testament as to what this Nation has become since the end of WWII for various reasons and purposes. However, I also believe that BHO is very deserving of indictment just on his own for using unintended loopholes in our Constitutional government to change such Government. The two factors are bonded together.

[NoGrayZone]

I just love our founding fathers. Could you imagine the insight they had to know what may happen so far into the future?

I can see them all rolling over in their graves!!

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

I think after 9 years with Frank Marshall Davis, the guy with the 601 page FBI file, that Obummer was a full fledged red diaper baby. Ask Dr John Drew PhD who knew him well .....

Even his grandpa had a FBI file !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2010/04/barack-obama-argued-strict.html

http://www.youtube.co
m/watch?v=mBGBszZ2Qw0

http://www.wor710.com/pages/6350883

http://www.breitbart.tv/the-b-cast-interview-was-obama-a-committed-marxist-in-college/

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/02/13/marxist-obama-why-the-media-has-been-silent/

We now know the gory details of Barry’s Occidental years.

He was an avowed and committed Marxist.