If you write an essay on your website that says "We Support" these people it is an endorsement.
Posted on 09/09/2010 6:37:36 AM PDT by fruser1
I've seen a few threads saying that the preacher who plans on burning the koran is associated w/the church that protests soldier funerals.
I had my doubts, so I did a quick google and found this article:
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/08/2209487/attention-might-fan-quran-flames.html
where it describes a member of the westboro church complaining about the florida one because westboro burned korans in DC and no one noticed.
The only other stuff I found was on blogs and wiki (which is basically a blog), including the florida church itself.
So it may actually be that someone or someones out there is trying to smear this guy and make it look like he supports the soldier funeral protesters.
What do you guys think? I don't put anything past libs, which have lying and propoganda down to a science like the efficient little fascists they are. What a better way to turn off conservatives than to associate someone w/the funeral protestors.
There will be an increased risk, but comparatively speaking it will be negligible compared to the rules of engagement, "courageous restraint", interference for political gain, nation building, and the national will to win.
Had we properly executed our Middle East campaigns, there would be no one left alive who would bother our troops over Koran burning.
The least powerful and least important of all the players is the wacko pastor from Florida.
Our troops can stay alive if Hussein will let 'em.
Thanks for finding that! I’m always glad to keep my paranoia in check.
I take note, though, the subtle difference in how this is portrayed in blogs. The dove church guys weren’t actually protesting funerals, they were, however, supporting an anti-U.S. message they have in common w/westboro. Probably common ground on the homosexual bit.
Perhaps a trivial difference, but a diff nonetheless, and what I was looking for, so again, thanks!
If you write an essay on your website that says "We Support" these people it is an endorsement.
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Nobody is questioning his "right" to burn the Koran.
If the U.S. Government wanted to deny him his "right", he could be in a prison cell in Guantanamo right now as a national security risk. During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln had editors thrown in jail for actions that he considered a threat to the war effort.
"You will take possession by military force, of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce... and prohibit any further publication thereof... you are therefore commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison... the editors, proprietors and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers" ...... Order from Abraham Lincoln to General John Dix, May 18, 1864.
As Sarah Palin said:
Islam OPERATES through intimidation, violence and terror.
I discussed this on another thread, but it bears repeating.
You have just described an "Islamist".
What is the difference between and "Islamist" and a "Muslim"?
An "Islamist" is a Muslim religious nutjob that will cram Islam down the throat of anybody, even their fellow Muslims.
"Islamists" are "Holier Than Thou" types who will kill you if you do not tow the religious line.
For "Christian" analogies think "Spanish Inquisition", "Salem Witch Trials and Executions", people being burned at the stake in Calvinist Geneva.
Common sense dictates that most Muslims are NOT religious nutjob Islamists. Who, in their right mind, wants to live his or her life with the Religious Police threatening you with death if you are not just as Holy as they are?
Everyday, in Iraq and Afghanistan, "normal" Muslims fight along side U.S. troops against these religious fanatics you have described.
However, these allies of us are "Muslim".
This guy was a "Muslim".
Burning a Koran only helps the religious nutjobs because it insults ALL Muslims. And that includes our allies in the photos above.
Why do you think al Qaeda bombed mosques in Iraq, both Sunni mosques and Shiite mosques?
To "Divide & and Conquer".
Why is Osama bin Ladin probably cheering this pastor on right now?
Because this pastor is helping al Qaeda "Divide & and Conquer".
Do you think the American soldiers in Afghanistan whose bibles that the Army confiscated and burned would do that to him? Do you think that any of our soldiers engaged in combat against the Muslims would do that?
Should we have turned over demonstrators that burned Hitler effigies during WWII over to the Army to murder, and would they have done it?
I don’t think the soldiers whose bibles were burnt would want to kill the man by turning him over to the enemy, nor would any other soldiers for burning Korans, but thanks for revealing what you think of our GIs and we veterans.
The soldiers who have lost friends and brothers may think differently. Family members who are burying their brave sons and daughters who have died in the war may think differently.
If bastards like Terry Jones or Fred Phelps held up signs that said “Thank God Your Soldier Son Is Dead” at my son’s funeral, they would be in the hospital or morgue before the service was over.
Should we have burned Catholic rosaries and pictures of Catholic Saints and burned effigies of the Pope during World War II because both Hitler and Mussolini were born and raised as Catholics?
That is the correct analogy here.
This pastor is not burning an effigy of Osama bin Ladin. THAT would be analogous to burning an effigy of Hitler during World War II.
That pastor is directing his attack towards every single Muslim on the Planet Earth.
See Post 26.
You are using cluster bombs to attack ALL Muslims when the weapon of choice is a sniper rifle to take out the Islamist religous nutjobs.
Just because Adolph Hitler was born and raised as a Catholic does not mean that ALL Catholics in World War II were Nazis and insulting ALL Catholics, even our own allies, by burning Catholic symbols would have been extremely foolish.
Just because crazy Islamist religious nutjobs are Muslim does not mean that ALL 1 Billion Muslims in the World are crazy religious nutjobs and insulting ALL Muslims, even our own allies, by burning the Koran would is extremely foolish.
Unless, of course, this pastor shares the desire of Fred Phelps which is to have as many U.S. troops die as possible. In that case, he is not "foolish". He knows exactly what he is doing. In such a case, he is a traitor.
BINGO - we have a winnah!
This has been done before - why all the hoppla just now?
Methinks the backstory would be bigger ‘news’ than some kook (50 member congegation, feh) burning some books.
Sarah Palin is a nice lady and good conservative but doesn’t understand Islam.
“What is the difference between and “Islamist” and a “Muslim”?”
I don’t know. But I don’t agree with your definitions. Islamic tradition and scripture calls for the kind of action Islamists practise. Perhaps what you are saying is there are strict Muslims (Islamists) and nominal Muslims (Muslims).
“For “Christian” analogies think “Spanish Inquisition”, “Salem Witch Trials and Executions”, people being burned at the stake in Calvinist Geneva.”
Totally inaccurate analogy.
Christ never called for the use of force against non-Christians and the New Testament is not filled with one virtiolic, hateful, passage after another. Christ never was a desert bandit and never enslaved people and never was a pedophile. Mohammad did all of that and approved of it - particuarly when it was done to non-Muslims, and his writings and behavior reflect that. Ergo, Islamists are, in reality, true Muslims.
As for the Inquisition, I haven’t heard of Christianity popping out any inquisitorial courts lately, and, in fact, they only existed for a brief time and in a limited area of Christandom. Islam, throughout its history has popped out one violent, vicious movement after another which have murdered and brutalized non-Muslims and even other Islamic Sects. Its still going on. Its what Islam does.
“Common sense dictates that most Muslims are NOT religious nutjob Islamists. Who, in their right mind, wants to live his or her life with the Religious Police threatening you with death if you are not just as Holy as they are?”
Actions speak louder than words, and if the majority of Muslims believed as you state, people like Achmeddinijad wouldn’t be in power, and the kind of mass mob actions supportive of those religious police and their policies wouldn’t happen in Southeast Asia, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Nigeria, etc. Most Muslims must approve of these actions as there has been no outspoken mass oppostion by them in those parts of the west where Muslims are still free to speak their minds about Sharia.
“Everyday, in Iraq and Afghanistan, “normal” Muslims fight along side U.S. troops against these religious fanatics you have described.”
And everyday during the war with Russia, Mujahadeen (spelling?) fought alongside and with western advisors. So what? They have their reasons and Muslims have a long history of using non-Muslims to kill Muslims of other sects.
It doesn’t mean they like us.
“This guy was a “Muslim”.”
He was a Muslim - SORT of. He was toying with Zoroastrianism, which was one of the reason the mass of fanatic Muslims in Iran rose up against him.
“Why do you think al Qaeda bombed mosques in Iraq, both Sunni mosques and Shiite mosques?”
One group of fanatics trying to control others. There is nothing new in this. Muslim sects have killed off each other in the millions. Read about the Wahhabist take-over of Saudi Arabia.
“Why is Osama bin Ladin probably cheering this pastor on right now?
Because this pastor is helping al Qaeda “Divide & and Conquer”.
I haven’t a clue what he is doing and neither does anyone else. Further, I don’t care.
I DO care about the horrific changes brought about in our society because we have allowed Muslims in here. If America had no Muslims, there would have been no 9-11.
If there were no 9-11, we wouldn’t have lost Americans and American dollars in Afghhanistan and Iraq, we wouldn’t have to be subjected to the inconveniences and indignities of modern travel restrictions, the constant threats of death and bombs, etc, and wouldn’t be building the kind of domestic defense infrastructure and legal apparatus to DEFEND us agains Muslsim, which will, in the long run, pose a serious threat to our Constitutional liberties and freedoms.
I don’t like Muslims and Islam. I don’t want them in my country and I don’t want them in the west. Not until the mass of them realizes that they are living in the 21st century, not the 6th century, and that theocracies, Sharia Law and all that other nonesense is the baggage from another age, not the way of the future. And so far, I don’t see ANY SIGN of that.
Bravo!
What an idiot.
The church is burning Korans, not holding up those signs.
Your fear of Muslims is your own, don’t try to also put it on our combat soldiers that are engaged in war with them, and doing very well.
He and 30 members of his cult protested with Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist church last April.
His church has a long essay on its webpage called: “In Support of the Westboro Baptist Church.”
I don’t know why you would defend him.
Good analogy.
I’m defending the demonstration of burning the Korans, and it has spilled over into defending the American GI.
You never answered if you think that the American soldiers whose bibles were confiscated and burned by the Army, would want to turn this Koran burning group (or pastor) over to their Muslim enemies to behead.
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