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What got the USA into WW1? ZOT needed.
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Posted on 04/23/2011 8:53:56 PM PDT by freepguy

I'm trying to get the facts that show why the USA got into WW1. As I can tell, Wilson was president. The US was neutral...did not want to get involved. Britian and the Allied Powers were losing the war against the Central Powers. The Balfour Declaration promised a Jewish state in Palestine. The Lusitana was armed and ordered to attack German U-boats. Propaganda was created to convince American populace that Germany needed to be conqered.

Can anyone help me get more info on the subject?

Thanks. FG


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I'm trying to get the facts that show why the USA got into WW1. As I can tell, Wilson was president. The US was neutral...did not want to get involved. Britian and the Allied Powers were losing the war against the Central Powers. The Balfour Declaration promised a Jewish state in Palestine. The Lusitana was armed and ordered to attack German U-boats. Propaganda was created to convince American populace that Germany needed to be conqered.

Can anyone help me get more info on the subject?

Thanks. FG

1 posted on 04/23/2011 8:54:00 PM PDT by freepguy
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To: freepguy

Zimmermann Telegram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram


2 posted on 04/23/2011 8:56:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: freepguy

In before “Bush’s fault.”


3 posted on 04/23/2011 8:56:58 PM PDT by newheart (The trouble ain't too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right. -Mark Twain)
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To: freepguy

Well, I thought it was a combination of the Lusitania and the attack on Pearl Harbor. I’ve written about Pearl Harbor before, why I’ve come to believe it was expected or provoked.


4 posted on 04/23/2011 8:57:39 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: freepguy

The U.S. was inclined to maintain a fragmented Europe.


5 posted on 04/23/2011 8:57:39 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: All

Whoops, I got my wars mixed up.


6 posted on 04/23/2011 8:58:17 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: freepguy

wilson the progressives wanted like all liberals to create utopia on esrth.


7 posted on 04/23/2011 9:00:21 PM PDT by unseen1
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To: Aliska

You mean when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


8 posted on 04/23/2011 9:00:43 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

Yes, they did, but it wasn’t over, and soon heavy industry made it possible for all people to have their needs met in a free marketplace.


9 posted on 04/23/2011 9:03:19 PM PDT by MrNeutron1962
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To: Kirkwood
You mean when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Yes, that must be it lol. I really stepped into it, didn't I?

10 posted on 04/23/2011 9:04:25 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska

The Japanese torpedoed the Lusitania as ordered by Bush’s Blackwater team...that’s what liberals tell me.


11 posted on 04/23/2011 9:07:04 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: freepguy

Lusitiania was not a direct issue. It was sunk in May 1915, which was about two years before the US entered the war.

The uproar over the sinking led to Germany temporarily abandoning “unrestricted” submarine warfare, at least in theory. This gave UK an enormous advantage, as they could blockade and starve Germany with surface ships. Germany could only do the same to UK with subs.

In late 1916, early 1917 the German Navy “guaranteed” the Kaiser that they could bring Britain to her knees if allowed to use the U-boats without restrictions. This pissed off America, and the Zimmerman telegram put icing on the cake.

BTW, in late 1916 the Germans weren’t losing the war, but they weren’t winning either. The war was a stalemate, and the sub attacks were an attempt to break the stalemate.

The Balfour Declaration was very much a side issue at the time. Hardly anybody paid any attention to it. Anyway, it was Nov. of 17, quite some time after America jumped in.


12 posted on 04/23/2011 9:10:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Aliska

Forget it. You’re rolling!


13 posted on 04/23/2011 9:10:54 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: freepguy

Germany attacked and sunk a number of U.S. Merchant ships, killing Americans.


14 posted on 04/23/2011 9:11:29 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: freepguy

The Neo-Cons got us into it.


15 posted on 04/23/2011 9:12:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kirkwood

No, the Germans bombed Pearl Bailey.


16 posted on 04/23/2011 9:12:33 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: Aliska
Whoops, I got my wars mixed up.

LOL, I was about to post about the German attack on Pearl Harbor! *\;^)

17 posted on 04/23/2011 9:13:01 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: dfwgator

You guys stop it.


18 posted on 04/23/2011 9:13:27 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; freepguy

Yes, the Zimmermann Note, along with the Germans re-instating unrestricted U-boat warfare just prior to the Zimmermann Note being made public, caused U.S. entry into WWI.


19 posted on 04/23/2011 9:13:39 PM PDT by dsm69
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To: freepguy

What got the U.S. into WW1?

An arrogant, Anglophilic University elitist from New jersey whom we had the great misfortune to elect President - Woodrow Wilson.

Did the Germans send the Zimmerman Telegram?

Sure.

However, check the Wikipedia article on it:

“The Telegram was not an isolated case of German-Mexican collaboration, for Germany had long sought to incite a war between Mexico and the U.S., which would have tied down American forces and slowed the export of American arms to the Allies.”

INTERESTING.

The Wilson government, while maintaining “neutrality” was engaged in exclusively arming one of the two combatants BEFORE the Zimmerman Telegram.

Wilson was an avowed Anglophile. He actually allowed British agents to patrol American ports WHILE THE US WAS STILL A NEUTRAL, and STOP shipments to the Central Powers.

He ACTUALLY FELT that American citizens had a right to book passage on British ships WHICH VERY WELL MIGHT BE CARRYING MUNITIONS TO BRITAIN for use against Germany, and the Germans should not be allowed to sink such ships.

He did NOTHING about the British practice of flying AMERICAN FLAGS on British ships carrying war material to Britain, which was deliberately done to antagonize the Germans into making a mistake and attack genuine American Ships.

Bungling by a lying liberal Democrat elitist and his administration dragged the US into a war overseas which was none of our business.

European powers had been killing each other quite well for centuries with no help from us and by our throwing our weight on the side of the Brits, we upset the balance of power and set the stage for an unjust peace, Adolph Hitler and a Second World War.

But THAT is a part of the story you will NEVER hear in our liberal classrooms.


20 posted on 04/23/2011 9:13:52 PM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescent excrement)
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To: freepguy
More info on that:

On January 9th, 1917, Bethmann-Hollweg went to a meeting at Pless. He found the navy's and army's hierarchy against him - and they had already won over the Kaiser. The decision for unrestricted submarine warfare was made on that day and it started on February 1st 1917. Wilson broke off diplomatic relations with Germany in an effort to bring Germany to its senses. He hoped that such an action would force Germany to go back on its decision. This did not happen and relations between America and Germany became very strained when British intelligence intercepted a message from Germany to Mexico whereby Germany offered her support to Mexico if America entered the war against Germany because of unrestricted submarine warfare. By March 21st, seven American merchant ships had been sunk by the Germans. Wilson summoned Congress and on April 6th 1917, America entered the war.

Source: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/unrestricted_submarine_warfare.htm

21 posted on 04/23/2011 9:14:12 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: freepguy
Prez. Wilson wanted to stay out of the war but then Geman U-boats started to attack American merchant ships and Wilson asked for a declaration of war.
Soon after troops were being sent to France.

Suggest Barbara Tuchman’s “Guns of August”, outstanding history of WWI.

22 posted on 04/23/2011 9:15:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: freepguy

It is simple.
The USSR planted people not only in the movie industry but also primarily into the news media ownership and control.
Their “plants” were also to infiltrate the labor unions (PRIMARILY) the Teachers Unions.

Know your history even if the media won’t report it for you.


23 posted on 04/23/2011 9:17:09 PM PDT by jongaltsr (It)
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To: Aliska

I always thought it was the Comanche/Kiowa attack on Adobe Walls? I could be wrong about this.

/S


24 posted on 04/23/2011 9:17:31 PM PDT by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: 4buttons

Pearl bailey got bombed in germany.


25 posted on 04/23/2011 9:18:00 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: freepguy
Wilson understood that the end of the war would result in a grand new world order - similar to the so-called Concert of Europe established after the Napoleonic wars. The war hawks knew that if the US didn't join in the war then the US would have no say in the design of that new world order.

Everything said about keeping us out of the war was a lie to get reelected in 1916. Everything said in justification of entering the war was a lie also. It is true that the Germans sank the Lusitania. But where is it written that American citizens are somehow entitled to travel through a declared war zone on a vessel belonging to one of the belligerents carrying war supplies and publicly ordered to ram enemy submarines demanding surrender? As for the Zimmerman note, it is simply ridiculous to imagine that the Mexican government would have acted on it. Someone in the German foreign office was having delusions. And anyway if the US government had really believed there was a conspiracy for Mexico to invade and recapture the western United States then it isn't clear how fighting Germans in France was going to stop them. Shouldn't we have invaded Mexico?

26 posted on 04/23/2011 9:18:13 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: freepguy

http://connect.in.com/the-onion-newspaper/photos-1-1-1-6e996fd77791f14d9866869c223eee2d.html


27 posted on 04/23/2011 9:18:22 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: count-your-change

“Suggest Barbara Tuchman’s “Guns of August”, outstanding history of WWI.”

She wrote “The Zimmerman Telegram”, also on topic.

Keegan’s “The First World War”, too.


28 posted on 04/23/2011 9:18:36 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: count-your-change

I disagree.

Wilson was a manipulative, arrogant, Anglophilic elitist who wanted us to support Great Britain against the Germans.


29 posted on 04/23/2011 9:18:53 PM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescent excrement)
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To: Kirkwood

I talked to soldiers who fought in WWI....and they didn’t know why.


30 posted on 04/23/2011 9:19:30 PM PDT by rovenstinez (,)
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To: going hot

“Pearl bailey got bombed in germany.”

-most every night... pretty good with the schnapps.


31 posted on 04/23/2011 9:20:05 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: newheart
In before “Bush’s fault.”

You all joke about something being Bush' fault, but if you were honest with yourselves, you'd know this was more likely something Cheney would do. /s

32 posted on 04/23/2011 9:20:07 PM PDT by umgud
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To: count-your-change
Barbara Tuchman's book is well-written but incomplete--as I recall she pretty much ignores Austria-Hungary in explaining how the war came about.

When I was a student she came to the university where I was studying and gave a talk to the history graduate students--but only the women students were allowed to attend.

33 posted on 04/23/2011 9:20:31 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ZULU

It is hard to believe that America would have benefited in ANY way from a German victory.


34 posted on 04/23/2011 9:20:51 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: davetex

You mean somebody did a hatchet job on Photoshop? Oh wait . . .


35 posted on 04/23/2011 9:21:52 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: freepguy
Both Wilson and FDR won because they promised to keep us out of the World Wars.

There's your answer—socialists lie.

Just look at our present one.

36 posted on 04/23/2011 9:21:59 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("WARNING" -Sarah Palin is a very dangerous woman--she defends herself when attacked.)
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To: arrogantsob

Would the Soviet Union even have existed if the Germans had won?


37 posted on 04/23/2011 9:22:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Republican Wildcat
That said, U.S. ships sunk a number of U-boats, killing Germans.

In my humble opinion, there was no good reason for the US to get entangled in a european war.

George Washington had something to say about that.

38 posted on 04/23/2011 9:22:18 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: freepguy
An excellent book on the First World War is The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I by Thomas Fleming.
39 posted on 04/23/2011 9:23:03 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: freepguy

I’ll go down your facts:

Wilson was president. He was a progressive, and not at all a practical man. He had stupid notions that democracy automatically makes people good rather than the converse which actually true (good people make for a good democracy). He had a clear dislike for the constitution and disparaged it frequently because it interfered with the direct democracy which he felt would support his populist/progressive programs.

The U.S. was neutral, at least the populace was. Wilson, itching to get in on the fight to be able to persecute his world view did some very questionable acts for a neutral power. He took a very clear slant towards the British. I should say it was neutral until provoked.

Britain and the Allied Powers were not losing. They were stalemated. The war went into a stalemate due to a combination of bad generalship and too many technological innovations (machine guns, rapid fire air burst artillery, barbed wire) which stymied the offense. Russia did get their butts kicked, but only withdrew from the war after the revolution (second, the first democratic one formed a government which vowed to continue the war, the Communists overthrew them without any real popular support, and signed a very unfavorable peace treaty).

I’m not familiar with the Balfour Declaration, but that sounds more like something which happened later. At this point the middle east (aside from Egypt) was mostly under control of the Ottoman empire. The Ottoman Empire sided with the Central powers (Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire) and after the war the Middle East was partitioned under Britain and France in a sort of trusteeship by the League of Nations (a proto-UN idea of Wilson which was just as ineffectual, though not as corrupt).

The Lusitania was not actually armed. However it was carrying a large cargo of war contraband (ammunition-millions of rounds), which the U.S. denied vehemently after it went down. Divers in recent years have demonstrated that the contraband was present.

Probably the main tipping point with the U.S. populace in favor of the war (for all the work Wilson did to try and shift public opinion) was that Germany actually tried to get the Mexicans to attack us(or act as a staging area for such an attack by the Germans). It was a completely ill considered venture since Mexico was barely stable and no threat to anyone. It’s also about impossible that Germany could have shipped over any significant troops undetected. In any case the negotiations behind this plan got out and it enraged public opinion so war ended up inevitable. There was plenty of propaganda nonsense (”make the world safe for democracy”) and such, but it really came down to the Germans making a clear (and idiotic) causus belli.


40 posted on 04/23/2011 9:24:33 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: freepguy

Two things. The resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare and the Zimmerman telegram.


41 posted on 04/23/2011 9:28:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: ZULU

Did the Zionist movement in america have anything to with it?

I’m just trying to get different opinions.


42 posted on 04/23/2011 9:30:05 PM PDT by freepguy (Man never does evil more completely or more cheerfully as when he does it with religious conviction.)
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To: arrogantsob
It is hard to believe that America would have benefited in ANY way from a German victory.

Why is it hard to believe? Germany was one of our largest trading partners before the war. We had a huge German population and had always had a peaceful relationship with Germany. If Germany had not lost the war there would have been no Hitler and no Soviet Union. If the US had not joined the war Britain and France would have been forced to enter into a negotiated peace, probably as early as 1916. Five or six million men would have lived, including a million British. Perhaps the British Empire would not have collapsed leaving dozens of tin pot dictators behind. All of the current problems in the Middle East stem from the victors scramble for loot at the end of WWI - even Osama Bin Laden says so. It's easy for me to see how the US could have benefited from a different outcome to that war.

43 posted on 04/23/2011 9:33:43 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: drbuzzard

Good post.

The Brits spoke out of both sides of their mouths with Sykes-Picot & the Balfour Declaration, one to the Arabs and one to the Jewish Homeland ressurection.

Worst/most powerful thing I ever read about WWI in general was “All Quiet on the Western Front” Remarque. The description of injured horses still sticks in my mind, decades later.

I met WWI vets as a child. To a man, they never spoke of it.

What I was taught was that it was a war for markets and power, as in a power shift. Of course, now we simply go in somewhere for ‘humanitarian’ reasons.


44 posted on 04/23/2011 9:34:01 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: dfwgator

It was the Germans who sent the Bolsheviks back into Russia. Lenin and his crew were in Switzerland until the German High Command put them on a special train and delivered them to the Finland Station. The Czar had already abdicated when America declared war and the Revolution was the reason for the abdication.

So it is likely that we would have had a Soviet Union in any case since the Bolsheviks were the most determined, ruthless and organized of any of the forces making the Revolution. It seems a good bet that they would have seized power no matter what was happening further west.


45 posted on 04/23/2011 9:34:28 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: freepguy
I recommend the first volume of Winston S Churchills WW1 masterpiece The World Crisis and Barbara Tuchmans Proud Towers and the second volume Guns of August.
46 posted on 04/23/2011 9:35:14 PM PDT by Hans
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To: freepguy

Obama believes we had 55 states when we entered WWI.


47 posted on 04/23/2011 9:36:02 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: 4buttons

Barbara Tuchman’s “Guns of August” was a good one, too.

Until this moment, I hadn’t quite realized just how many war stories/books I’ve read. Hmmmmm.


48 posted on 04/23/2011 9:37:03 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: freepguy

No. Zionism had little or no influence in America.


49 posted on 04/23/2011 9:37:13 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: freepguy

The truth is that Woodrow Wilson got us into the war because he saw it as an opportunity to enact “war socialism” in the US.


50 posted on 04/23/2011 9:37:30 PM PDT by DesScorp
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