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Official Calls For Riverside, 12 Other Counties To Secede From California (Poll at link)
CBS Los Angeles ^ | 7/1/11 | CBS Los Angeles

Posted on 07/01/2011 12:07:58 PM PDT by Ballygrl

Official Calls For Riverside, 12 Other Counties To Secede From California Link to Article and Poll

New state would have no term limits, part-time legislature

July 1, 2011 10:24 AM

RIVERSIDE (CBS) — Is the state of California about to go “South”?

Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone apparently thinks so, after proposing that the county lead a campaign for as many as 13 Southern California counties to secede from the state.

Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California.

The creation of the new state would allow officials to focus on securing borders, balancing budgets, improving schools and creating a vibrant economy, he said.

“Our taxes are too high, our schools don’t educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public,” Stone said in his statement.

He unveiled his proposal on the day Gov. Jerry Brown signed budget legislation that will divert about $14 million in 2011-12 vehicle license fee revenue from four new Riverside County cities.

Officials fear the cut will cripple the new cities of Eastvale, Jurupa Valley, Menifee and Wildomar.

Stone said he would present his proposal to the Board of Supervisors July 12.

The new state would have no term limits, only a part-time legislature and limits on property taxes.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
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LOL, I love this idea. Is this even possible to do?
1 posted on 07/01/2011 12:08:00 PM PDT by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

I don’t see why not. It’s happened in the past. Plus obama already thinks there is 60 states so he might not even notice.


2 posted on 07/01/2011 12:11:33 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Ballygrl

Too bad it requires the approval of the legislature of California and approval by Congress. See Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution.


3 posted on 07/01/2011 12:11:41 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (????)
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To: Ballygrl

This should probably happen in most states. Certainly VA- NOVA should definitely be its own state because it’s certainly not like the rest of the state. West Virginia did it, so there is a precedent, but I’m not sure how it can happen.


4 posted on 07/01/2011 12:12:00 PM PDT by amishman (0bama=the reincarnation of Jim Jones)
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To: Ballygrl

To me , the BIGGEST obstacle is comign up with a hard number as to what share of California’s debt...bonds, pensions, estimating all the unfunded liabilities, etc, the new state would have to agree to assume...it would require serious accounting...something the pols wouldn’t want done..also, I’m pretty sure that many of the bond woiuld immediately become callable and due, or have to be renegotiated..


5 posted on 07/01/2011 12:12:35 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Ballygrl

Probably not as congress wouldn’t go for it unles You find a liberal area that wanted to come into union to have any chance in order to keep balance..ie Alaska and Hawaii came in at the same time, one republican state and one democratic state.


6 posted on 07/01/2011 12:13:04 PM PDT by scbison
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

I wasn’t sure what is exactly involved to secede. Looks like it won’t happen then :(.


7 posted on 07/01/2011 12:13:05 PM PDT by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

Were they to succeed Northern CA would get RICH QUICKLY selling water rights!


8 posted on 07/01/2011 12:13:31 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: scbison

My dream is to trade with Canada, Canada gets California and we get Alberta LOL.


9 posted on 07/01/2011 12:14:30 PM PDT by Ballygrl
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

I’m in!!!!


10 posted on 07/01/2011 12:14:46 PM PDT by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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To: Ballygrl
Article 4, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

It's possible, if Sacramento consents...or, if there is another Civil War and they try to pull a West Virginia.

11 posted on 07/01/2011 12:14:50 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Ballygrl

Maybe they should just join with Baja California del Norte.


12 posted on 07/01/2011 12:16:27 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Ballygrl
OK, sounds good to me. Does this mean we can open fire like what happened in 1861 when we had some states wanting to secede?

I've got all this ammo I've had for years waiting for the "Big One". It's time to renew and replenish. Will they be under the Mexican flag?

13 posted on 07/01/2011 12:16:40 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: amishman; BufordP
Certainly VA- NOVA should definitely be its own state because it’s certainly not like the rest of the state.

Doubt that's going to happen, considering that there are "conservative" parts of Virginia are addicted to all the tax dollars being redistributed to them from Northern Virginia.

14 posted on 07/01/2011 12:16:57 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Ballygrl
There have been attempts to divide CA into two or three states in the past. Generally this has come from folks in the north and opposed by the pols from the LA area who exercise a disproportionate share of influence.

The key to this is water.

15 posted on 07/01/2011 12:18:00 PM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: paddles

The proposed, seceding counties of CA would most likely vote Republican. They’ve been suggesting this for years, but it won’t happen.


16 posted on 07/01/2011 12:22:10 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Ballygrl

When democrats can’t get their way they’re always wanting to divide and attempt to conquer.

United we stand. Divided we will fall.


17 posted on 07/01/2011 12:22:43 PM PDT by swheats (America, America God shed His grace on thee.)
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To: Ballygrl
would be strange because Southern California (USC)would be in North California. Would the be call Southern North Cal or USNC.
18 posted on 07/01/2011 12:24:53 PM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

It doesn’t require any of that. You just DO IT. Simple as that. “They can bill me”, as Ripley would say.


19 posted on 07/01/2011 12:32:04 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: ken5050

Again, no way. They can bill me. It’s like, “make me”. “Sorry, I’m the new state of South California, I never signed on to any of that debt. I didn’t even exist then.”

You have to think outside the box you are in.


20 posted on 07/01/2011 12:36:17 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Ballygrl

Wow...look at the poll results!!

I love this idea!


21 posted on 07/01/2011 12:41:03 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Where do YOU stand in your relationship with God???)
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To: Ballygrl

I’d love to see NYC become the 51st state. Well, Obama would think it’d be the 61st but whatever....


22 posted on 07/01/2011 12:41:46 PM PDT by b4its2late ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8")
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To: SparkyBass
Were they to succeed Northern CA would get RICH QUICKLY selling water rights!

Los Angeles gets 70% of its water from the High Sierra in Inyo and Mono counties.

23 posted on 07/01/2011 12:42:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Ballygrl.
Our taxes are too high, our schools don’t educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public

24 posted on 07/01/2011 12:43:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Ballygrl

If this happens I’ll stay in California.

It’s the only way to salvage at least part of California.

The north is proof of what happens when liberals and the DNC has a total lock on culture, economics and schools.

I am a native, born here in Sacto in 57.

Calif in its current configuration is beyond repair.


25 posted on 07/01/2011 12:44:56 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Be respectful, be courteous, have a plan to kill every flash mob member that threatens you or others)
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To: Ballygrl
Uh, oh....this kind of secession talk will give 0zero a splendid opportunity to play Abraham Lincoln.

I can vision him ordering a top hat and waistcoat now.

Leni

26 posted on 07/01/2011 12:46:16 PM PDT by MinuteGal (a)
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To: rabscuttle385

we always discuss secession but is there a mechanism for “expulsion”. I would find this a much better solution to our dilemma if we could just expel most of New England and California from the United States.

Perhaps Quebec and Newfoundland could form a country with NY, MA, CT and we could bring on British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and maybe Ontario although we could give Ontario Detroit and Madison and be way ahead if they would then form with the New NE cesspool. They could all speak French and Ebonics.

Give California to Mexico since it is almost there anyway. They could speak Ebmexasianlish.


27 posted on 07/01/2011 12:48:56 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Ballygrl

So the new state really WOULD be Mexifornia?

Even if it were possible, I hardly see this as a good idea.

The illegals run Kalifornia now, souther Kalifornia in particular.

Adding two more agents of Mexico to the U.S. Senate hardly seems like a good idea, how many congressmen would they get?

There may be conservative enclaves in So. Kali, but this will not increase their power.
Any attempt to resist the illegal alien takeover is likely to be met with arrest as a “hate crime” and condemnation by the press at the least.

“Control the border”, who is he kidding?


28 posted on 07/01/2011 12:49:43 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: amishman

If I recall correctly, Kentucky also split off from Virginia...


29 posted on 07/01/2011 12:52:02 PM PDT by wrhssaxensemble
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To: paddles

the people in the south demand those in the north continue to work for their tax benefits


30 posted on 07/01/2011 12:52:57 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: rabscuttle385

What would stop Sacramento from wanting to lose a bunch of working middle class conservatives?

If they fight for us , its solid proof they rely on us for funding their vote buys.


31 posted on 07/01/2011 12:53:14 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Be respectful, be courteous, have a plan to kill every flash mob member that threatens you or others)
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To: scbison

Baja Arizona (http://www.economist.com/node/18486323)?


32 posted on 07/01/2011 12:54:40 PM PDT by wrhssaxensemble
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To: MNDude
"the people in the south demand those in the north continue to work for their tax benefits."

The north fighting our departure shall show how wrong your statement is.

33 posted on 07/01/2011 12:56:19 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Be respectful, be courteous, have a plan to kill every flash mob member that threatens you or others)
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To: Ballygrl
I double-dog dare them...
34 posted on 07/01/2011 12:57:38 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Ballygrl; Jim Robinson

Address change ~~ping~~


35 posted on 07/01/2011 1:00:48 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: amishman

I think south central-south east Illinois has a better reason


36 posted on 07/01/2011 1:17:02 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Ballygrl

When Republicans are next in power then that would be the ideal time for a large state, or group of states, to secede.

There would be bloodshed if it was done when demos are in power.

This will happen sometime in the next 50 years no matter what. The country is in a downward socialistic spiral. People will demand a place to escape to.

The states that secede could agree to pay their share of the national debt over a period of say 50-100 years in US dollars. The agreement would need to state that the dollar could not be re-valued but must stay as is. This would force the remaining rump nation to at least attempt to control inflation because the money due would float up or down in value with the worth of the dollar :-)

The new nation would thrive, the old nation would soon collapse and state after state would petition to join the new free nation. The old nation would eventually print money like Weimar Germany and the value of the dollar would drop to a tiny fraction of what it is now. The new nation would then sell a little gold and pay off their debt with tons of worthless dollar notes :-)

Yes, I know it won’t happen...what I fear will happen is some sort of civil war...very bad business that.


37 posted on 07/01/2011 1:25:28 PM PDT by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: Ballygrl

The bigger problem is soon the Dems and their lowlife would, like they do everywhere else, follow. They can’t support themselves, can’t run a business community or manage their own affairs, so like the welfare leeches, here they’d come.


38 posted on 07/01/2011 1:30:54 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (EX Congressman Anthony Weiner: "Celebrate 'Perversity'")
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To: Ballygrl

Politics as usual 10.74%

Time to split 89.26%


39 posted on 07/01/2011 1:41:15 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Ballygrl

I would personally like to see a line drawn across Florida above Orlando forming South Florida. The rest of us would be in authentic Florida.


40 posted on 07/01/2011 1:46:59 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Member Emeritus of Vitriolics Anonymous.)
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To: Ballygrl

Imagine the change in states’ votes if Nevada could vote minus Clark County, Utah could vote minus Salt Lake County, Missouri could vote without KC and St Louis, Colorado could vote without Denver/Boulder, etc.


41 posted on 07/01/2011 1:47:38 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Ballygrl

Only if the existing legislator of Califorina can be convinced to vote to approve their admission to the union as a new State.

Otherwise I would presume Southern California either becomes an independent Nation of the world or a territory of Califorina.


42 posted on 07/01/2011 2:06:04 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: NoLibZone

This goes through, I might seriously consider moving back. (Native as well)


43 posted on 07/01/2011 2:07:20 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: lurk

Even Maryland minus Baltimore, Montgomery and Prince George’s Counties would be tolerable.


44 posted on 07/01/2011 2:08:14 PM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: lurk

Imagine the benefit if the Federal tyrants in black robes did not arbitrary decide to rob every state of its republican senate 50 years ago. (Reynolds v. Sims, 1964)

Then Leftist urban areas would not be able to force the rest of the state to slavishly serve them.


45 posted on 07/01/2011 2:13:00 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Ballygrl

They’re not going to let you leave.

They need your tax money too badly.


46 posted on 07/01/2011 2:19:00 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Ballygrl

The poll is at 89% to secede, and this is an authentic internet poll, this looks like a done deal, start investing in the real estate.


47 posted on 07/01/2011 2:43:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Too bad it requires the approval of the legislature of California and approval by Congress. See Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution.

South California telling Congress to stuff it would be a very interesting event. SCOTUS would have to take the case

I guess they could make the case since Congress DOESN'T follow the Constitution in many regards,(like securing the border) why should they follow Article IV, Section 3 ?

Of course they can probably pay off the California legislation for approval. Those scumbags would sell them off in a heartbeat for cash

48 posted on 07/01/2011 2:44:26 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Fifty years away from American History in High School, I seem to remember that both Texas and California came into the Union as free countries which made treaties wiht the United States including provisions that Texas could be divided into as many as five states, and California divided into as many as three, (or maybe it was the other way around). Anyway, my understanding is that ratified treaties have status equal to the Constitution, so I personally doubt that there is a constitutional argument at all. How these divisions were to be made, when and if made, is probably in the treaties. My guess is it would require the approval of the California legislature. It might not require the approval of the U.S. Congress unless that is what the treaty says. California historians, what do you think?


49 posted on 07/01/2011 2:45:51 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Ballygrl

Damn good ideal. Those counties are supporting the millions of illegals in the urban counties.


50 posted on 07/01/2011 2:46:01 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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