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14th Admendment...I Have NO Doubt Obama Will "Invoke It"
7-9-11 | Self

Posted on 07/09/2011 4:42:15 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich

I cringe at the thought, mostly because it seems I'm caught inside a spy novel or a horror movie, walking upstairs with the audience yelling, "don't go up there, fool!"...no, I keep walking and climbing.

I am the American public and I'm being held at gunpoint by a president who is a communist/fascist dictator and hates this country with a passion we can't even imagine the depth. Our vanguard? Where are they, who are they? Oh, don't worry, it's folks like Chuck Grassley who is known to say lately that he just realized the 14th admendment gives Obama the ability to raise the debt ceiling to allow us to keep paying on the debt...it doesn't matter that Rush explained in the past two days there is no way we can STOP paying on it and there is no need to "raise it". Are our senators and reps so stupid as to not know this or are the vanguards truly linguini-spined deal makers with the enemy?

Where are our freshman, newly-elected folks? Have they been effectively muzzled or "belt-lined"? I think you know what I mean.

My big question to everyone in Freepland is, what will the citizenry do WHEN Obama "invokes the 14th admendment"? I predict Bray will write about it on Sunday's talk show line up. I predict trial balloons will be uncorked in unison by the MSM and their willing accomplices - oh, wait, I mean the congress who are the commie guests on the shows and their willing acomplices in the MSM will repeat in unison - that the 14th admendment likely gives Obama that authority. Is there really anyone stupid or naive enough to NOT think he'll do this? Look what he's done with the EPA so far...hear from SCOTUS lately...crickets...we have a fascist dictatorship, folks...GM, GE, all poker buddies with Obama.


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What will the citizenry do when he invokes the 14th and just does it like Nike? What will WE do? Will SCOTUS have a constitutional crisis? I have to admit, I'm a little scared because our vangaurd is a bowl of jello. Our vanguard is the people and we ain't got much aside from a vote...pray hard, IN JESUS' NAME. Pray hard for protection.
1 posted on 07/09/2011 4:42:18 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich
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To: CincyRichieRich

I’ve always thought he would invoke it ... until recently and the “noise” is, he won’t. But, indeed, it’s merely noise.


2 posted on 07/09/2011 4:45:04 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: CincyRichieRich

Our crier, spineless, GOP speaker of the house will give a damn.


3 posted on 07/09/2011 4:46:11 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: CincyRichieRich

The debt ceiling and servicing the debt have nothing to do with each other. What I am wondering is would Obastard deliberately withhold payments to the debt to destroy the economy?


4 posted on 07/09/2011 4:46:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: CincyRichieRich
"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

It depends on what kind of crisis he wants.


5 posted on 07/09/2011 4:46:24 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: CincyRichieRich
What has the Citizenry done about all of the other past violations of the Constitution, including his ineligibility?

Nothing, we're told all we can do is vote him out in 2012.

6 posted on 07/09/2011 4:49:27 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: CincyRichieRich
If Bam cannot get a political victory out of the budget negotiations that helps him get reelected, then he will do what it takes to keep the government ponzi going. He will not accept emerging from the negotiations as losing or without significant concessions on the part of the Repubs.

His reelection strategy is based upon Repubs starving Grandma, so his “negotiations” are focused upon achieving this perception by the electorate. It is all politics to him, the fate of the country and well being of the people are secondary and inconsequential.

schu

7 posted on 07/09/2011 4:52:26 PM PDT by schu
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Nothing, we're told all we can do is vote him out in 2012.

What will happen when Obama just decides there won't BE another election...who will stop him?

8 posted on 07/09/2011 4:55:04 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: CincyRichieRich
What will WE do?

I wonder how all those schmucks who didn't call him on the massive frauds involved with his nativity story &c. feel now.

ML/NJ

9 posted on 07/09/2011 4:55:39 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: CincyRichieRich

>>What will WE do?

Nothing. They (the government and its corporate stooges) will make (have made??) slaves of us. But, they’ll leave us some goodies like smartphones, 300 channels of TV, McDonalds, etc and we’ll be quiet and take it because as long as we have some comforts and most of us have a job, we won’t be ready to die for freedom, especially the freedom that will required to dig us out of this economic mess we’re in. That freedom will require more sacrifices of comforts than Obama’s communism! At least, in the short term...and that’s all anyone cares about anymore.

Besides, the evil is very well distributed from city and state governments to DC to the federal bureaucracy spread across our land to the CEOs and boardrooms that move our jobs overseas and tell us to borrow money from banks to buy their products so they can take home millions of dollars each year. Who do we fight? Who is our ally? Who can we trust? In the coming battles, there will be a lot of quislings trying to sell their souls to get some of the comforts back. It will be an ugly time requiring Americans to be something they have never had to be before.


10 posted on 07/09/2011 4:58:04 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“would Obastard deliberately withhold payments to the debt to destroy the economy?”

All part of the plan. See Cloward-Piven.


11 posted on 07/09/2011 4:58:26 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

What can he invoke? There is enough money to service the debt, other things will have to be cut. To invoke the 14th amendment, and state we have to go into more debt, in order to honor our debt, is luaghable. The 14th amendment actually works to the GOP’s favor. If they have the spine to turn off the spigot, O will have to service the debt, at the expense of other spending - maybe Libya operations will have to stop, maybe the unspent stimulus hits the general fund...just remember this ‘catastrophe’ can’t happen, because the debt will be serviced.


12 posted on 07/09/2011 5:01:35 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I have no doubt that there will be a public mass backlash and/or a call for the AnointedIdiot’s impeachment. =.=


13 posted on 07/09/2011 5:07:57 PM PDT by cranked
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To: CincyRichieRich

I don’t think it will make a lot of difference if he does this or not. I think we’re headed for the same tough times regardless of what he does to the currency.


14 posted on 07/09/2011 5:08:51 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: CincyRichieRich
My bet is that once the Gunrunner scandal picks up steam, Ubama signs an executive order legalizing all illegals and opening the borders wide so that there are 50-million new Obama voters in November 2012.

He has no other option.

15 posted on 07/09/2011 5:08:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: greyfoxx39
What will happen when Obama just decides there won't BE another election...who will stop him?

Yikes, $64,000 question.

I'd like to say it would never happen but who knows anymore.

16 posted on 07/09/2011 5:09:50 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: CincyRichieRich
the 14th admendment gives Obama the ability to raise the debt ceiling to allow us to keep paying on the debt

But Congress controls the purse strings. That was established in the Constitution.

See this link for a reasoned analysis why his invocation of the 14th Amendment is flawed.

The Trail to Tyranny by Josh Kimbrell (July 7, 2011

17 posted on 07/09/2011 5:09:50 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: CincyRichieRich

It doesn’t matter if 0bama invokes the 14th Amendment. The 2012 budget needs to be funded starting on October 1st, 2011. So, if 0bama tries going around Congress....he can only do so until October 1st.


18 posted on 07/09/2011 5:12:22 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: CincyRichieRich
We are spending our way into prosperity!

Why is everyone complaining!

19 posted on 07/09/2011 5:13:52 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: CincyRichieRich

The people who matter in this case, bond purchasers, won’t buy them except at fantastic yields.

It won’t happen.

This is one illegal, destructive act it’s just impractical for him to do!


20 posted on 07/09/2011 5:14:48 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: lacrew

Exactly.

I don’t think he can use the 14th to increase debt. Only Congress can do that.


21 posted on 07/09/2011 5:16:15 PM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Texas Fossil; All
The 14th is a bupkiss argument:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

The Amendment has its clear meaning, end of argument.

It was clearly intended to pay for debts and pensions incurred for and from the Civil war, and nothing else.

22 posted on 07/09/2011 5:16:41 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: CincyRichieRich
There will be a civil war. Pray and stockpile.
23 posted on 07/09/2011 5:18:46 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: CincyRichieRich
The simplest thing to do is to state publicly that under the Constitution only Congress has the authority to borrow money on the credit of the United States, that Congress has not authorized these borrowings, and that the people who buy these bonds do so at their own risk and can only look to Barack Obama to repay them out of his personal funds.
24 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:16 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If found, please return this Ring of Power to Sauron, Lord of Darkness. Return postage guaranteed.)
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To: lacrew
Yes...

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void

Ignoring the civil war era parts:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, shall not be questioned.

Any debt beyond the debt ceiling is not authorized by law. Any borrowings beyond the debt limit shall be questioned.

25 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:16 PM PDT by RagingBull (Talent does what it can; genius does what it must)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I agree.

But he has not let the LAW stand in his way before. And Congress allowed his violations.

In this case, he will fail.


26 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:16 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The way I read that underlined part (”insurrection or rebellion”), we shouldn’t have to pay Obama’s salary.


27 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:35 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Yes, Mr. Lennon, I do want a revolution.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

First, ignore all the French poodles and the surrender monkeys waving white flags.

The 2nd Marine Division is a few hours away up I-95 if obuma declares martial law, should he be that stupid. The odds of him surviving his commie martial law decree are less than 70%.


28 posted on 07/09/2011 5:24:38 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: CincyRichieRich

Many people aren’t surprised that Obama will do as he pleases and get away with it. He has been doing this since he was sworn in. We have sat back and been convinced to just wait until the next election and it is all gonna be okay. uh huh

Yeah right. We don’t even have the sense of shock at the horrors left. We have accepted our fate with a whimper.

Obama will do as he wants and we will squeal and whine, but do it he will. The sense of outrage died when we allowed Obamacare and being groped at the airport.


29 posted on 07/09/2011 5:30:54 PM PDT by dforest
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To: AZLiberty
The way I read that underlined part (”insurrection or rebellion”), we shouldn’t have to pay Obama’s salary.

Yowza! I like the way you think!

30 posted on 07/09/2011 5:33:24 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment. If you remove the clause specifically referencing the payment for services in the War between the States, it reads:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, shall not be questioned.

By what stretch of the imagination does this provide the executive with a blank check?

A debt owed is a debt owed but that does not mean one can just print bogus paper to "cover" it.

31 posted on 07/09/2011 5:34:30 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The Sixteenth Amendment - a.k.a. - The Slavery Amendment)
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To: AZLiberty

Good shot!


32 posted on 07/09/2011 5:34:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What I am wondering is would Obastard deliberately withhold payments to the debt to destroy the economy?

I am convinced, that destroying the economy, and the whole country, for that matter, has been his plan since he was a so called community organizer in Chicago.

33 posted on 07/09/2011 5:34:47 PM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: indylindy
Yes, he has drawn dictatorial powers unto himself without a whimper because that would be racist.

We may not survive a One-term Obama. I am beginning to think that he should be our first 3/4-term President.

34 posted on 07/09/2011 5:38:35 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Excuse me - gotta go drain the Obama...)
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To: Mark17

Can you say “Cloward-Piven”?


35 posted on 07/09/2011 5:39:45 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Excuse me - gotta go drain the Obama...)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

That section could also mean that the debt MUST be serviced.


36 posted on 07/09/2011 5:42:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

WOW, we must have ESP, I just posted what you posted to me. LOL


37 posted on 07/09/2011 5:44:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Aevery_Freeman

The three key words are “authorized by law”.

Zero can’t make debt legal all by himself.

And if he tries to, he needs to be impeached and convicted.

We can suffer a fool becoming a President, i.e. Joe Biden, but we cannot countenance a traitor.


38 posted on 07/09/2011 5:45:55 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Pray and prepare. This has been coming for generations! Some of us saw it coming, but most people didn’t want wanted to hear or see. The following is a video we all needed to see 5o years ago:

This 6-minute video is from a retired US Army Lt. General and Green Beret. He provides vital information that has come as a result of decades in military service.

Watch this bone chilling video and then forward to everyone you know.

http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america


39 posted on 07/09/2011 5:47:06 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: SVTCobra03

Obama does not hold the purse strings. All he can do is veto what is sent to him when it comes to money. House makes budget, goes to senate for approval, the 2 go to reconsilation and the budget goes to the president... I am senile and over 70 and know that. Boner is a bummer and is just holding back his tears. If a good budget is sent and he veto’s it, the problem is his to explain. (truthfully?) Republicans are not known as the stupid party for nothing. They never put any member with balls in leadership...just the fraidy cats..


40 posted on 07/09/2011 5:53:27 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Paperdoll
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/271329/constitutional-nonsense-debt-john-berlau

excerpt:

Article I, Section 8 — the same part of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to tax, appropriate, and “regulate commerce . . . among the states” (long the Left’s justification for any regulation of activity, or in the case of Obamacare, the inactivity of not buying health insurance) — also explicitly states: “The Congress shall have power to . . . borrow money on the credit of the United States.”

The 14th Amendment doesn’t affect this power one bit. It applies only to debt “authorized by law,” and as Catholic University Law School distinguished scholar John S. Baker wrote recently in NRO, “Only Congress — not the president — makes law.”

What it perhaps does do — based on one Supreme Court case — is require the Treasury Department to prioritize payment of existing debt to bondholders over other spending in the event the debt ceiling isn’t raised. So if the government finds itself short on cash, it has to keep paying the bondholders and find the necessary savings in some other part of the budget. This is exactly what conservatives like Sen. Pat Toomey (R., Pa.) have been trying to codify through legislation. As Michael McConnell, the distinguished director of the Stanford Constitutional Law Center, has put it, “the real effect of Section Four of the Fourteenth Amendment is almost the opposite of what hopeful voices in Washington are saying.”

41 posted on 07/09/2011 5:56:40 PM PDT by garyb
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To: CincyRichieRich

What can We The People do? Not much.

People now look to the Supreme Court to rule on Constitutionality. If the Supremes say it’s good, then we don’t question it. And that is wrong.

The STATES entered into the contract to form a central government, so it is the STATES that must question any violations of that contract. Only the states have the power to stop Washington. And that is our only option, short of the ballot box in 2012.

As for taking to the streets with the Second Amendment in hand ... don’t try it. That would be considered an insurrection and the Usurper would LOVE to see one start. The crackdown (Holder is still the nation’s top cop, remember) would be epic and brutal.


42 posted on 07/09/2011 5:58:09 PM PDT by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
The 14th is a bupkiss argument:
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

The Amendment has its clear meaning, end of argument.

It was clearly intended to pay for debts and pensions incurred for and from the Civil war, and nothing else.


Yes, clearly...that's how our side, Chuck Grassley saw it...not...

Sorry, not being smart, just saying our side is too darn stupid and spineless, not to mention uneducated to keep the country together moving forward. We see it and it's clear to us, but our side will sell us out in a heartbeat if it advances their private fiefdoms.

43 posted on 07/09/2011 6:03:45 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What I am wondering is would Obastard deliberately withhold payments to the debt to destroy the economy?

Let's assume for the sake of argument he does. So what? Like we have an economy now?

Obama withholding debt payments and further destroying our country will only bring on the inevitable: a revolution, complete with millions of armed men marching on the Capital, hanging the treasonous bastards (all 537 of them!) and taking our government back the way the founding fathers intended.

Frankly, I don't see the downside to that. Better we fight this battle now before our children have to.

That's a cold does of reality.

44 posted on 07/09/2011 6:04:00 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: indylindy
Huh, maybe I'm smarter than I thought.

Naw, just got lucky this once.

45 posted on 07/09/2011 6:07:51 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Excuse me - gotta go drain the Obama...)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Nah, you seem pretty wise;^)


46 posted on 07/09/2011 6:09:34 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The first sentence does not exclude non-Civil War debt.

The debt is only qualified by it having to be “authorized by law”, and also includes debt incurred for pensions and bounties paid for Northern forces in putting down the rebellion of the South—as the Civil War had just concluded a few years prior.

The second sentence DOES qualify certain debt as being related to the Civil War, even though the Civil War is not mentioned per se by that title.


47 posted on 07/09/2011 6:11:37 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: usconservative

I can only agree with you. No more words to add to what you have said; just agreement.


48 posted on 07/09/2011 6:12:04 PM PDT by rustyboots
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To: usconservative
a revolution, complete with millions of armed men marching on the Capital,

The government the Founding Fathers created was for a God fearing Judeo-Christian people with a good work ethic and morals.

They also never intended that all Americans be allowed to vote, that's why they didn't put a right to vote in the Constitution.

As a consequence of our moral decline and Constitutional Amendments giving demented degenerates voting rights, the government is dysfunctional.

Marching on the capital and kicking out Congress wont change that, and the imbeciles that vote democrat won't stand for having their right to vote taken away.

The only logical solution is for States run by free people to secede from the socialist states,set up a Capital in Texas or maybe Montana, and let the parasites in the socialist states and DC feed off each other.

49 posted on 07/09/2011 6:35:06 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: CincyRichieRich
You nailed it ;)
50 posted on 07/09/2011 6:49:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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