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Man who robbed elderly woman is fatally shot by witness in Minneapolis
the republic ^ | 10-20-11 | ap

Posted on 10/21/2011 5:15:12 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

MINNEAPOLIS — Minneapolis police say a man who witnessed an elderly woman being robbed and pistol-whipped shot and killed her attacker.

Authorities say the armed robber confronted the woman in the parking lot of a grocery store about 10 p.m. Thursday, took her purse and hit her in the head with his gun. A man who witnessed the robbery chased the suspect and shot him. When police arrived, the witness told officers he had a permit to carry a gun and that he had shot the armed robbery suspect during a confrontation outside a nearby restaurant. He told officers where they could find his handgun. He was detained for questioning.

Police say the robber who was fatally shot was in his 20s. Investigators say they found his gun near where the shooting took place.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; carry; minneapolis; permit; robbery; samaritan; shooting; shot
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it'll be interesting to see how this one plays out...the boy-mayor will probably want the good samaritan charged.
1 posted on 10/21/2011 5:15:21 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The dead perp is Amish, I’m sure.


2 posted on 10/21/2011 5:17:41 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Prayers up for the good Samaritan. In Obamaland, good is evil and evil is good.
3 posted on 10/21/2011 5:20:28 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: WOBBLY BOB
It was fate that those three met that day.

I hope he 's given a award for improving the community. He took out the trash.

4 posted on 10/21/2011 5:23:00 AM PDT by csvset
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I believe the stain and his regime sent a sympathy card to the perp’s family expressing their deep sorrow and condolences. It also contained a picture of the stain bowing.....to no one in particular.....just bowing.


5 posted on 10/21/2011 5:25:27 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The shooter is toast. You just can’t shoot a robber running away since it is no longer a threat. The guy will do time.


6 posted on 10/21/2011 5:27:25 AM PDT by Any Fate But Submission
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To: Any Fate But Submission
Article is unclear.

When police arrived, the witness told officers he had a permit to carry a gun and that he had shot the armed robbery suspect during a confrontation outside a nearby restaurant.

If he was chasing the guy, and the perp stopped and confronted him while armed, the shooter will have a very good case for self-defense. Especially if other people saw it.

I suspect a good deal will depend where the bullet went in. If the bullet's in the guy's back, he is indeed probably toast. In MN, anyway. He'd be fine in TX.

7 posted on 10/21/2011 5:34:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Any Fate But Submission

Not if he can convince the cops that the perp turned the gun in his direction. He might be okay.


8 posted on 10/21/2011 5:34:59 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Too true. If I were king for a day, he’d get a medal, the keys to the city and a parade. We need to encourage incidents like these. That is a true crime stopper.


9 posted on 10/21/2011 5:40:59 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Any Fate But Submission

we’ll see. these things are not static.

he could have disengaged then re-engaged hostilities.

I hope the good samaritian had a valid permit and isn’t charged. anyone giving an old lady a beating deserves a fatal bullet.


10 posted on 10/21/2011 5:44:47 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I love warm-fuzzy stories like this one...


11 posted on 10/21/2011 5:49:45 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: A_perfect_lady

“Not if he can convince the cops that the perp turned the gun in his direction. He might be okay.”

In truth it will come down to the prosecutor, or maybe a jury.

I’m not sure about MN, but here in Ohio that shooter would be at the mercy of the system.

Believer it or not, you have a “duty to retreat”, not chase the guy.


12 posted on 10/21/2011 5:52:09 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Any Fate But Submission

I agree. That is exactly what I was told when I went through the CC classes. You need to be in fear for your life when you elect to use your carry arm.

MFO


13 posted on 10/21/2011 5:54:17 AM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: A_perfect_lady

The perp won’t be pistol-whipping another elderly person,that’s the real positive thing to come out of this situation.


14 posted on 10/21/2011 5:58:41 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Pessimist

The only guy to kill two robbers by shooting them in the back while they ran away and get away with it was a minister in Big Lake, Alaska. They robbed the donations. The minister was found not guilty by reason of self-defense because the church had been robbed twice before and the minister thought that if he didn’t stop them now, they would be back and the actual “threat” would be in the future. Anyway, sometimes it is very good to have a small town jury.


15 posted on 10/21/2011 5:59:28 AM PDT by Any Fate But Submission
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To: WOBBLY BOB

This is the only way true justice is achieved. Thank God this vermin was killed! Price of Justice? One bullet. No going into the criminal injustice system where he would be appointed (at our expense) a sleazy, morally challenged, criminal defense attorney. No endless appeals (at our expense). No liberal judge to sentence him to 1/100 the time he should have served. No idiotic parole board to let him out early so he could then prey on other innocent people.


16 posted on 10/21/2011 6:03:05 AM PDT by jhroberts
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Good riddance to the perp !


17 posted on 10/21/2011 6:23:23 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: WOBBLY BOB

With people recently being beaten and robbed by gangs within sight of a Minneapolis police station and the police doing nothing, no wonder citizens in the Twin Cities feel a need to protect themselves.


18 posted on 10/21/2011 6:25:58 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: The Great RJ

Good shooting, Citizen. Civilization thanks you.


19 posted on 10/21/2011 6:36:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

anyone got the over/under on future references to the dead perp including the phrases:

aspiring rapper
always a good kid
just fell in with the wrong crowd
was turning his life around


20 posted on 10/21/2011 6:40:58 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: stefanbatory

“young father”
“honor student”


21 posted on 10/21/2011 6:44:55 AM PDT by karatemom
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To: stefanbatory

LOL.

you could write for a newspaper!


22 posted on 10/21/2011 7:53:43 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Is this the kind of thing biden-buddy was talking about? Of course he “suggested” murders were/would be up....does biden-buddy lump justifiable homicide in self defense with actual murder?

Guy’s an enigma, wrapped in a mystery, dipped in ...... government stuff


23 posted on 10/21/2011 7:56:44 AM PDT by petro45acp (NO good endeavour survives an excess of "adult supervision" (hence the American experiment))
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To: petro45acp; karatemom

km: doh! how could I have forgotten those?

petro: I may need to steal your description of Biteme for other uses...


24 posted on 10/21/2011 7:59:58 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: A_perfect_lady
“the perp turned the gun in his direction. “

Of course that's what happened. Let's hope the good guy realizes that.

25 posted on 10/21/2011 8:02:56 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: stefanbatory

By all means, the more the merrier.

Cheers


26 posted on 10/21/2011 8:07:20 AM PDT by petro45acp (NO good endeavour survives an excess of "adult supervision" (hence the American experiment))
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To: HereInTheHeartland

The good Sammy was released from custody.

not to say they won’t charge him later, but as of now, he’s free.


27 posted on 10/21/2011 11:09:46 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Any Fate But Submission

I don’t care how or where he shot him. He walks if I’m on the jury.


28 posted on 10/21/2011 1:20:08 PM PDT by LVGuy600 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Any Fate But Submission

Why we need “open season doctine”.

Pull a gun to rob someone, and it is now open season on them.


29 posted on 10/21/2011 1:50:34 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Any Fate But Submission

Why we need “open season doctine”.

Pull a gun to rob someone, and it is now open season on them.


30 posted on 10/21/2011 1:50:47 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Any Fate But Submission

From what I have heard on the local radio They kept him overnight for questioning and released him this morning. They have not filed any charges yet.


31 posted on 10/21/2011 1:55:39 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (Millions of government bureaucrats are gang raping and choking the life out of America.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Related article from the Star and Tribune: Mpls. police release armed citizen who said he killed robber attacking woman
32 posted on 10/21/2011 2:05:18 PM PDT by Sawdring
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from link in #32. . .

Andrew Rothman, a Twin Cities firearms trainer and vice president of the Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, said Friday afternoon that if the events unfolded as the armed citizen described, “the permit holder acted appropriately. Chasing the mugger to recover the purse or to effect a citizen’s arrest is permitted by law.”

And, Rothman continued, if the suspect “then escalated by pointing and/or shooting at the good Samaritan, the good Samaritan would have been completely justified in shooting.”


33 posted on 10/21/2011 3:00:00 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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To: Any Fate But Submission

The robber certainly is a threat to the next little old lady he comes upon...Thats the way I would put it to a jury if I was the heros lawyer...


34 posted on 10/21/2011 4:55:13 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: deks; WOBBLY BOB

I like Andy...he’s a real sharp guy. But, this is MN and this Good Samaritan is screwed.


35 posted on 10/21/2011 8:54:31 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Help End FREEPATHONS.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
"if he can convince the cops that the perp turned the gun in his direction. He might be okay"

The cops are not relevant and needn't be convinced nor spoken to. The issue is if his lawyer can convince the prosecutor or if not then the jury.


36 posted on 10/22/2011 10:25:28 AM PDT by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: I see my hands

I actually don’t know much about the legal system, but I thought cops initially make the decision about whether or not to arrest, and if they don’t, the chances of being charged later just seem lessened, unless they treat it as a homicide to be investigated. Do cops have any frontline authority in how such a matter is classified (self-defense as opposed to murder) or do all such matters by-pass them and go directly to someone higher, like the D.A.?


37 posted on 10/22/2011 10:38:38 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Man from Oz

Depends on the jurisdiction. In North Dakota, you can intervene using lethal force on behalf of another who is in immediate danger of serious bodily injury or death and unable to defend themselves.


38 posted on 10/22/2011 10:42:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
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41 posted on 10/22/2011 10:51:19 AM PDT by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: goat granny

Hey, when you see a dog with rabies, you shoot it.

What’s the difference?

People come back and yack “But he’s a human bean...”

Which makes him a violent, vicious, predator with intelligence. Way, way, way more dangerous than a rabid dog.

People also talk about “The wild, wild west...”
Tell ya what. Women and children could walk the streets back then without fear.


42 posted on 10/22/2011 10:54:34 AM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

They “detained” the Samaritan? That’s crappy. Maybe it’s because, for some reason, he did not have custody of his weapon (told the Police “where it was.”). Not a lot of detail in the story.


43 posted on 10/22/2011 11:03:11 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: I see my hands

I would think your average cop would find that card interesting, in that it shows you may have been planning to shoot someone for a while (premeditation). I’d memorize the contents and say it, rather than flipping a ready-made card on the police if I happen to have to shoot somebody.


44 posted on 10/22/2011 11:10:45 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"I would think your average cop would find that card interesting, in that it shows you may have been planning to shoot someone for a while (premeditation)."

It doesn't matter what a cop finds interesting and the card does not show you have been planning to shoot someone for a while.

If you'd prefer to verbalize that is a personal decision but all that one should say is, "I was in fear of my life and I'd like to speak with an attorney." Nothing else. You may end up being booked and spending the night in jail but that is much, MUCH preferable to incriminating yourself with extraneous talk.


45 posted on 10/22/2011 11:36:14 AM PDT by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
PS: A card in your pocket shows no more premeditation than does a gun in your pocket. 0=0.

46 posted on 10/22/2011 11:39:57 AM PDT by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: I see my hands
It doesn't matter what a cop finds interesting and the card does not show you have been planning to shoot someone for a while.

I disagree, but suit yourself. I think it is extremely important what the cop finds interesting: he/she has the power to throw you in the slammer for the sheer pleasure of doing it. They're professional a-holes, and they're given the authority to destroy your life on a whim. I chuckle at the keyboard tough guys who think they have some sort of influence over a beat cop, and all they have to do is whip some card on them like it's a game of Monopoly. I still think, as a practical matter, you are causing yourself more trouble by having a prepared speech for a cop investigating a shooting, your unsupported refutation notwithstanding.

If you'd prefer to verbalize that is a personal decision but all that one should say is, "I was in fear of my life and I'd like to speak with an attorney." Nothing else. You may end up being booked and spending the night in jail but that is much, MUCH preferable to incriminating yourself with extraneous talk.

All true. I prefer to verbalize and *keep it short*. It's not that hard to do. And you'd still be spending that night in jail if you had a handy card printed. More likely if you come across as a smart-ass waving a prepared speech in their face.

(BTW, I agree with that poster who told you the other day your text boxes and centered font is unpleasant. I also agree with the other poster who said it makes it easier to skip by your posts.)

47 posted on 10/22/2011 12:05:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
text boxes and centered font is unpleasant

text boxes and centered font are unpleasant

48 posted on 10/22/2011 12:08:07 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"easier to skip"

My gift to you.


49 posted on 10/22/2011 12:08:29 PM PDT by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: I see my hands

For which I am truly grateful.


50 posted on 10/22/2011 12:10:19 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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