Posted on 11/04/2011 6:45:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The Republican race has officially been hijacked by the Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, and the furor shows no signs of dying down. Everyone in Washington is now trying to decide whether Cain is more like Clarence Thomas or Bill Clinton. Or maybe even Anthony Weiner.
But the media firestorm has overlooked one key fact: We still don't know what Cain actually did.
New details emerged Thursday night about the two unnamed women who Politico originally reported had accused Cain of making "sexually suggestive" remarks and "improper" gestures toward them while they were employees at the National Restaurant Association sometime in the 1990s. The new reports provide some clarity to the scandal, mostly by providing information that differentiates the two original accusers:
According to both stories, one of the women was paid a $35,000 termination settlement after Cain made "unwanted sexual advances" at an NRA event in a hotel, apparently after a night of heavy drinking. The NYT reports that Cain asked the woman to come up to his hotel room, and made repeated advances even after she declined.
Politico reports that the second woman reached a $45,000 termination agreement with the NRA to settle harassment claims against Cain. She is the same woman Cain was referring to when he recalled that employee had "falsely" accused him of sexual harassment after he "made a gesture saying" she was the same height as his wife. She is also the same woman who has requested to release an anonymous statement through the NRA that would "counter" Cain's statements, while leaving out the details of the incident.
But in the end, the new revelations raise more questions than they answer. In fact, the Cain harassment story has actually gotten more vague and confusing as new details and allegations emerge.
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
And to fight just one of these cases would have cost in excess of how many thousands?
Cain has to do NOTHING of the sort.
Cain was accused. He refuted the accusation. It is NOT his job to continue proving the lies to be lies over and over and over.
It is past time for Rove and the rest of you Romneybots to stop pimping the Cain smear and demand the accusers provide even 1 single shred of evidence.
So smear-bot, where is the single shred of evidence to back up you sleazy accusations?
Rumor, hearsay and accusation are NOT evidence.
Bravo.
Cain will never get my vote unless he could prove he is innocent. He looks like a bad character. We have one of those now. We don’t need another.
I actually got banned from a college basketball message board when I stated (paraphrase), “I bet she is lying. Who are you going to believe, 41 Duke students or one low life stripper? If the events occured as alleged, at least one of those students would have flipped.”
Appears to be happening.
Rasmussen was just on Fox reporting Cain at 26% and Romney at 23%.
That's about where they both were before this non-scandal.
Then they cut to Huntsman who babbled on about why this is important to the NH primary, Romney this or that, snakes in the grass, uh, uh, zombies or something.
That’s what she said!
Now some radio show host says Cain made awkward remarks to his staffer recently. Cain said “Darlin can you doctor up this tea for me please”. I kid you not.
Cain will get my vote until they can prove him guilty!!
See here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801894/posts
EXCERPT:
When you consider that, more than a decade ago, Herman Cain settled some unspecified sexual-harassment claims, you also need to consider that the only things you need to file a lawsuit are the filing fee and a printer. Facts are optional.
Maybe Cain did harass some employees. But the dirty little secret among lawyers that defend business people from lawsuits — and among those lawyers who bring them — is that an enormous percentage of such claims are frivolous, if not flat-out lies.
Concepts like truth and justice have little meaning in the world of big-money litigation. Thanks to ravenous plaintiffs lawyers empowered by the politicians they buy with campaign contributions, every business person is in the crosshairs.
Lawsuits are so expensive to defend that it makes good business sense to settle even the most frivolous cases. And businesses do.
TV and movies would have you believe that most lawsuits end up with a jury hearing the evidence and rendering a verdict. That almost never happens. Close to 97 percent of civil cases never see a courtroom. The vast majority settle, with the business paying good money to end the nightmare — money that could have gone to hiring struggling young people, buying new equipment or expanding.
And, as Herman Cain has learned, you never really can buy your peace. The accusers apparently signed nondisclosure agreements so that Cain and his company could put the accusations behind them. A lot of good that did. Whether it was the accusers or others who revealed the claims, the effort to buy peace now looks like wasted money.
In the world of sexual-harassment law, the accusations are bad enough. Youre guilty until proven innocent. The law is skewed toward the plaintiffs — its hard to get even the silliest charges tossed out,
and even then it often costs upward of six figures to do so.
Businesses almost never collect their legal fees back after defeating frivolous claims, but a winning plaintiff usually does. And when the lawyer is working on a contingency, taking 40 percent or more of the haul and fronting the costs of the suit, theres little incentive not to march down to the courthouse and file even the flimsiest case.
Even what constitutes sexual harassment has crossed from common sense into farce. In the 1970s, my mother was a lawyer who faced the real thing as one of the very few women in a testosterone-fueled district attorneys office. Today, women are at or near parity with men in most every field, and are even ahead of them among entrants to the professions.
Interesting that we don't what Obama did either.......in college.
But, even weirderly, there has never been, there is not currently, nor will there be a media firestorm over that story.
Perhaps Harvard, Yale, Columbia, DeVry and whatever other institutions of higher tuition are under some sort of confidentiality agreement. That is to say, if they want to receive even a dime of taxpayer money while Clouseau is in The White House, they better keep their traps shut.
Put your flame suit on. Suggesting this might be anything more than a big nothing burger is going to get you carpet bombed.
Provide even a single shred of evidence to back up your accusations.You keep demanding this of people who are NOT saying they believe the original allegations were true or justified.
What some of us ARE saying is that Cain handled this very badly.
How can you not understand the difference.
1. The original charges are bogus and unsubstantiated and completely without merit. --- I agree.
2. The original charges resulted in legal settlements that (though sealed) are a matter of public record and Cain should have been ready for them to come out and been better prepared to deal with them. --- You don't seem to be able to understand this 2nd point. It's not that you disagree with it, you just don't get it. You keep saying "prove it", even though I agree with #1.
RE: Darlin can you doctor up this tea for me please. I kid you not.
GASP, HE CALLED HER DARLIN’?!!! OH THE HUMANITY !!!
What you call lack of experience is increasing his poll numbers and campaign contributions.
Hi lack of experience as you put it is serving him better then your arm chair quarterbacking and advice.
Companies settle frivolous lawsuits all the time because it is cheaper to settle then pay all the expense of going to trial. This is standard business practice.
Why spend several hundred thousand dollars to try a suit you can pay much less for a simple negotiated settlement? How do you know the settlement does not include a complete exoneration of Cain? Accusation, rumor and assumption are not fact. Guilty until proven innocent IS NOT the standard. So either provide even a shred of evidence to back up your accusation or quit pimping the smear.
Claiming the settlement proves wrong doing demonstrates a total ignorance of how the legal system works.
Rahm and Obama and the Chicago thugs want all Obama competition off the ballot just like they did in Obama’s first election.
IT SIMPLY WON’T WORK.No one believes the Saul Alinsky evil,corrupt,criminals anymore.
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