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Shale Gas Revolution
NY Times ^ | November 3, 2011 | DAVID BROOKS

Posted on 11/04/2011 11:09:22 AM PDT by neverdem

The United States is a country that has received many blessings, and once upon a time you could assume that Americans would come together to take advantage of them. But you can no...

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The shale gas revolution challenges the coal industry, renders new nuclear plants uneconomic and changes the economics for the renewable energy companies, which are now much further from viability...

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These problems are real, but not insurmountable. An exhaustive study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology concluded, “With 20,000 shale wells drilled in the last 10 years, the environmental record of shale-gas development is for the most part a good one.” In other words, the inherent risks can be managed if there is a reasonable regulatory regime, and if the general public has a balanced and realistic sense of the costs and benefits.

This kind of balance is exactly what our political system doesn’t deliver. So far, the Obama administration has done a good job of trying to promote fracking while investigating the downsides. But the general public seems to be largely uninterested in the breakthrough (even though it could have a major impact on the 21st-century economy). The discussion is dominated by vested interests and the extremes. It’s becoming another weapon in the political wars, with Republicans swinging behind fracking and Democrats being pressured to come out against. Especially in the Northeast, the gas companies are demonized as Satan in corporate form.

A few weeks ago, I sat around with John Rowe, one of the most trusted people in the energy business, and listened to him talk enthusiastically about this windfall. He has no vested interest in this; indeed, his company might be hurt. But he knows how much shale gas could mean to America. It would be a crime if we squandered this blessing.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brooks; davidbrooks; energy; shalegas
Not to mention that before we realized that we had so much natural gas in shale formations, the econazis promoted natural gas!

I'll be surprised if David Brooks keeps writing OpEds for the NY Times.

We have more than a century to get alternative energy right without unwarranted subsidies! Coal, thorium, fusion, etc., who knows?

1 posted on 11/04/2011 11:09:24 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I’m surprised he could take his eyes off Obama’s trousers long enough study shale gas.


2 posted on 11/04/2011 11:10:49 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: neverdem

I’m confused. Where is the angle? NY Times?

Wait! Shale gas endangers the “Green Energy Industry”? That’s bad. No. That’s good. Right?

He said we should do more and not squander this opportunity. What does that mean?!!!

I am missing where he demonizes all fossil fuels and talks about the end of the world because of MMGW.

(I am making an appointment with my shrink)


3 posted on 11/04/2011 11:20:34 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a mindfield, oblivious to the consequences.)
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To: neverdem
Not a problem. Obama's Ecofreak Corps will stop it from happening. Read here.
4 posted on 11/04/2011 11:29:00 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: Tenacious 1
That is what I was thinking while reading the article.

Did Hell just freeze over ? Are there pigs flying outside my window ?

5 posted on 11/04/2011 11:41:28 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: pabianice

Spirit bears from a very common recessive allele in black bears? There’s more than Mendelian genetics these days with copy number variation of genes and epigenetics. Thanks for the link.


6 posted on 11/04/2011 12:00:49 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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7 posted on 11/04/2011 12:09:33 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: woodbutcher1963
Did Hell just freeze over ? Are there pigs flying outside my window ?


8 posted on 11/04/2011 12:22:00 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: neverdem

Why does this have to be an “either/or” situation ?

TBS the U.S. has vast gas reserves! But electricity is the most convenient and distributable power we have. Why not develop cleaner and more applicable nuclear power to provide - not only our own citizens - but the world community with abundant electrical power whose design forstalls any “weaponization” of its fuel ?

And why not use that “gas bonanza” to power motor vehicles in urban areas ? Or provide fertilizer to crop lands to create more food ? >PS


9 posted on 11/04/2011 4:08:39 PM PDT by PiperShade
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10 posted on 11/05/2011 7:51:17 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Thanks for the ping!


11 posted on 11/05/2011 10:02:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
It’s becoming another weapon in the political wars, with Republicans swinging behind fracking and Democrats being pressured to come out against. Especially in the Northeast, the gas companies are demonized as Satan in corporate form.
Yeah. Democrats have to be pressured to be against domestic fuel. </sarcasm>

13 posted on 11/05/2011 5:53:49 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: PiperShade
"Why not develop cleaner and more applicable nuclear power to provide - not only our own citizens - but the world community with abundant electrical power whose design forstalls any “weaponization” of its fuel ?"

Unfortunately, a "combined cycle" natural gas generating plant beats the pants off nuclear plant costs and generation efficiency. Nuclear just cannot compete with them.

"And why not use that “gas bonanza” to power motor vehicles in urban areas ?

Actually, the first vehicles to make the change will probably be long-haul trucks. The problem is infrastructure. It's a lot easier to put natgas capacity in a "few" truckstops than to provide same for "urban areas".

"Or provide fertilizer to crop lands to create more food.

Natural gas is already the prime energy source to produce fertilizer.

14 posted on 11/06/2011 4:55:30 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

“And why not use that “gas bonanza” to power motor vehicles in urban areas ?

However, it would be easier to switch all metro buses and school buses over to natural gas. Also, local delivery vehicles such as UPS and postal service trucks could be switched. These vehicles tend to operate from a central hub location where refueling could occur.

This is where the govt. can actually help by offering a tax credit to compensate for the cost to switching to a new fuel source.


15 posted on 11/07/2011 6:30:07 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Wonder Warthog
Actually, the first vehicles to make the change will probably be long-haul trucks. The problem is infrastructure. It's a lot easier to put natgas capacity in a "few" truckstops than to provide same for "urban areas".

There are a number of trucking companies that are switching to natural gas, either compressed or LNG. Currently, LNG is about half the cost of diesel (on an energy-equivalent basis). Converting trucks to dual-fuel (LNG/diesel) is expensive, but with more demand we can expect that truck manufacturers will start producing trucks that come off the assembly line as dual-fuel.

16 posted on 11/07/2011 6:40:40 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: woodbutcher1963
"However, it would be easier to switch all metro buses and school buses over to natural gas. Also, local delivery vehicles such as UPS and postal service trucks could be switched. These vehicles tend to operate from a central hub location where refueling could occur. This is where the govt. can actually help by offering a tax credit to compensate for the cost to switching to a new fuel source."

Hey I'm all in favor of natural gas, but they need to stand on their own. The NG delivery network of pipelines is already in place, which should be extremely helpful. No more tax credits for favorite industries.

In fact, we are SO addicted to tax credit crap that there are companies HOLDING BACK because they are waiting for a tax credit program they like..

17 posted on 11/07/2011 6:48:32 AM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: PapaBear3625
"Currently, LNG is about half the cost of diesel (on an energy-equivalent basis). Converting trucks to dual-fuel (LNG/diesel) is expensive, but with more demand we can expect that truck manufacturers will start producing trucks that come off the assembly line as dual-fuel."

Yup, and I think it was that posting of yours that prompted my comment here.

18 posted on 11/07/2011 6:52:24 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: woodbutcher1963
"However, it would be easier to switch all metro buses and school buses over to natural gas. Also, local delivery vehicles such as UPS and postal service trucks could be switched. These vehicles tend to operate from a central hub location where refueling could occur."

Certainly true. Any vehicle usage that fuels from a central store, and doesn't need re-filling away from that central store can be switched. VERY easily if the vehicle is gasoline..less so if diesel.

I was thinking more in terms of "general use" vehicles (including personal). There "are" alternatives. If you already have natgas piped to your home, there are "home fueling systems" that will "fill your tank" overnight by compressing that gas.

But I think the idea of having SEPARATE "filling stations" for CNG instead of adding natgas facility to existing "filling stations" is ridiculous.

19 posted on 11/07/2011 6:53:08 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: cookcounty

I agree. It is a great idea. But it has to make economic sense. When it does, the school systems and delivery services will switch over.


20 posted on 11/07/2011 6:55:12 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: neverdem

Interesting thread bump. Thanks for the read.


21 posted on 11/07/2011 7:00:38 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Yes, I've been saying it often. Having lots of dual-fuel trucks sounds like a good idea to help put a ceiling on the price of oil, by having diesel fuel price increases stimulate a shift away from diesel by commercial vehicles.

I'm also waiting to see LNG-powered locomotives. The Russians are working on LNG powered aircraft

22 posted on 11/07/2011 7:05:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: PapaBear3625
"The Russians are working on LNG powered aircraft"

Ought to be a relatively trivial exercise. After all, the "gas turbine" part of a combined cycle natural-gas fired generating plant "is" a jet engine.

23 posted on 11/07/2011 12:11:48 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

While I agree trucks are the most likely “first step” it won’t be “long-haul” units ! Most likely are urban/suburban delivery aps ! The weight penalty and power density issues will preclude NG in that ap unless desperation - or government stupididty - sets in! >PS


24 posted on 11/07/2011 4:09:01 PM PST by PiperShade
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To: PiperShade
"While I agree trucks are the most likely “first step” it won’t be “long-haul” units ! Most likely are urban/suburban delivery aps!

Well, obviously I agree (see post upthread). My position is more correctly that long-haul trucks will probably be the first "extra-urban" application to switch. It's a lot easier to install natgas facilities at interstate truck stops than in every existing service station.

"The weight penalty and power density issues will preclude NG in that ap unless desperation - or government stupididty - sets in!"

THIS I don't agree with. I think the cost differential is already causing movement to adoption (viz. "PapaBears" comments upthread).

25 posted on 11/08/2011 7:08:27 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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