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Romney Prefers to Lose Primary Rather than Renounce Romneycare ("Iím standing by what I did")
National Review ^ | 2011-11-29 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 12/03/2011 9:50:38 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Mitt Romney refused to criticize his Massachusetts health-care program tonight, saying he would prefer to lose the primary rather than renounce it.

“I’m standing by what I did in Massachusetts,” Romney said on Fox News Channel’s Special Report with Bret Baier. “I’m not trying to dust it aside. I’m absolutely firm that it was the right thing for our state. I’ll defend that and I understand it has political implications. And if it keeps me from winning a primary, so be it. But that happens to be the truth.”

“It’s by far, the biggest challenge I have in the primary race,” Romney admitted, before going on to criticize his rivals. “And if I were willing to say anything to get elected, wouldn’t I just say, ‘oh, it was a mistake,’ because I’ve watched other people on the stage when they talk about their cap-and-trade policies, they say, ‘oh, that was a mistake.’ When someone says, ‘oh, I did this ad on global warming,’ that was a mistake. So they’ve just brushed it aside.”

Romney said he “absolutely” still supports the individual health-care mandate in Massachusetts, but reiterated he does not support the mandate at the federal level.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: deathcare; deathpanels; mittromney; nr; rino; romney; romneybringsdeath; romneycare; romneydeathpanels; romneytruthfile; stenchofromney; tokyorove
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1 posted on 12/03/2011 9:50:42 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Everyone hates him for not standing on principle. At least he’s doing so this time.


2 posted on 12/03/2011 9:53:20 AM PST by Joann37
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To: rabscuttle385
DEAL!!
3 posted on 12/03/2011 9:53:31 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Joann37

Is he also standing behind RomneyMarriage?


4 posted on 12/03/2011 9:54:26 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: rabscuttle385
Perhaps he's trying to reduce his flip-flopping reputation, ha-ha!

Wrong way to go about, Mittens.

5 posted on 12/03/2011 9:55:03 AM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: rabscuttle385

Mitt says RomneyCare was/is good for Massachusetts. Are there any Bay State FReepers who believe that?


6 posted on 12/03/2011 9:55:09 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: rabscuttle385

He thinks he’ll only lose one or two or a few primaries. He is confident in the support he gets from polsters and MSM that he’s the annointed GOP candidate. Maybe so. I’m dead certain that in the Georgia Primary, I will vote against him. He can stick his Romney Care up his ass.


7 posted on 12/03/2011 9:56:00 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

“I will vote against him. He can stick his Romney Care up his ass.”

Wonder if his insurance would pay to have that removed?


8 posted on 12/03/2011 9:59:02 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hasta la vista, baby!


9 posted on 12/03/2011 9:59:17 AM PST by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Gosh, he must be a man of true conviction! /MS


10 posted on 12/03/2011 9:59:33 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rabscuttle385

Works for me. Bye bye, Mitt.


11 posted on 12/03/2011 10:00:13 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Many people criticize me for being a calculating panderer who plots everything out, and one who changes position to meet perceived expectations.

So by sticking to my guns on Romneycare, I can show everyone that I’m not a plotting panderer, and I don’t change positions.

So how is my plan working?

(obviously not a real quote)


12 posted on 12/03/2011 10:00:27 AM PST by DBrow
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To: rabscuttle385

Romney should not be the nom’nee.


13 posted on 12/03/2011 10:01:38 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: jessduntno

Good Question....I’d bet on him not being a resident of Taxachussetts anymore...morelike DC or somewheres else..


14 posted on 12/03/2011 10:02:11 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, you have to hand him at least this much: it is a principled stance. He’s sticking by what he believes was the best thing for his state. Isn’t that what the 10th Amendment is about?


15 posted on 12/03/2011 10:03:00 AM PST by Sister_T ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: rabscuttle385
There is a REASON why the ineligible tyrant Romney
destroyed the Hard Drives and now has made
release of records, from his own failed Governorship, illegal.


16 posted on 12/03/2011 10:07:32 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: rabscuttle385
Fine, Governor Romney. I'll be standing by my vote, which won't be for you.

There are dozens of ways to fix health care, Governor; that is conservative, market-based fixes. Government mandated and paid health care is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Some solutions that should be done BEFORE government mandates:

—Allowing purchase of best insurance across state borders

—Allow like minded people to join medical insurance co-ops of their own choosing

—Fixing the grievous misuse of hospital emergency rooms by illegal aliens and the non-insured

—Providing medical scholarships to those who agree to serve in free clinics for a period of time (for the aliens and non-insured above): This period of time could be at internship; or after a practice is established, allowing for some forms of tax benefit (thus ensuring experienced doctors serve at free clinics, too)

—Encouraging medical associations to allow many more medical school slots across the nation

—Fix malpractice lawsuits with serious tort reform

17 posted on 12/03/2011 10:08:49 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: jessduntno
“Wonder if his insurance [RomneyCare]would pay to have that removed?”

Interesting thought: Remove the foot and give Romney a mouth transplant to his rectum. That way he could talk from both ends.

18 posted on 12/03/2011 10:11:57 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: rabscuttle385

So what happens if he doesn’t win the primaries and decides to run as an independent?


19 posted on 12/03/2011 10:13:25 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Joann37
Everyone hates him for not standing on principle. At least he’s doing so this time.

One problem is that in 2008, Romney stated in debates that Massachusetts was a model for the nation.

20 posted on 12/03/2011 10:15:29 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. Now, if we can only get Newt to stand behind the idiotic things he did, we’ll get somewhere.


21 posted on 12/03/2011 10:22:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Romney, Newt, any chance whatsoever you might sometime pander to U.S. Citizens vs the illegals?)
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To: Joann37
Everyone hates him for not standing on principle. At least he’s doing so this time.

His handlers told him there's no way he can run away from the signature achievement of his political career. It'd be like Newt saying the Contract With America was a mistake.

22 posted on 12/03/2011 10:22:37 AM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: Alas Babylon!
You make great points. I think the issue with the mandate is that the federal government, medical associations and lawyers have turned US heath care into a 65% socialized system. With the federal mandate, they are forcing the remaining 35% into the socialized system. If we had a free market health care system with the ideas you posted, I think a mandate at the state level would be a much better sell and make sense.
23 posted on 12/03/2011 10:23:23 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Joann37
Everyone hates him for not standing on principle. At least he’s doing so this time.

Either that or he really likes it. The only other possibility is that he's afraid to take ownership of such a huge "mistake".

24 posted on 12/03/2011 10:24:17 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: rabscuttle385
Romney Prefers to Lose Primary Rather than Renounce Romneycare

Well, we seem to agree on at least one point.

25 posted on 12/03/2011 10:26:40 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Mitt Romney refused to criticize his Massachusetts health-care program tonight, saying he would prefer to lose the primary rather than renounce it.
............................................................

I give Mitt my Louissianna answer.

Hey Mitt: That’s ok by me if it’s ok Bayou.

I don’t mind your losing.


26 posted on 12/03/2011 10:27:35 AM PST by Venturer
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To: rabscuttle385

He finally picks a principle that he won’t flip-flop on and it’s his love of socialist medicine.

THIS is supposed to be one of the most intelligent of our “leaders” in the G.O.P. ???


27 posted on 12/03/2011 10:29:21 AM PST by Grunthor (Pro-illegal alien "conservatives" piss me off.)
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To: South40
Mitt says RomneyCare was/is good for Massachusetts. Are there any Bay State FReepers who believe that?

Every time he says that I want to hurl something at my television. RomneyCare, as many predicted, has made things worse...for the taxpayers, at least. Our premiums are rising and the coverage is shrinking. However, the ranks of MassCare (where the taxpayers pay the bill for those who are deemed by the state as unable to pay for their own health insurance) is swelling.

So now I am FORCED (that's the thing I hate the most) to pay a high monthly premium for scant coverage (I pay for all prescriptions, all doctor visits; not covered on my admittedly basic plan).

Basically, I have "catastrophic" coverage, but I pay far more than I would ever have had to in a free market (Massachusetts doesn't allow catastrophic policies).

Oh, and if the state deems you can afford the insurance and don't buy it, they will fine you and sic a law firm on you to collect (and STILL demand you buy the coverage in addition to the fine).

I wouldn't be surprised if Mitt lost Massachusetts in the primary.
28 posted on 12/03/2011 10:32:02 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: MasterGunner01

Interesting thought: Remove the foot and give Romney a mouth transplant to his rectum. That way he could talk from both ends.”

And both sides...


29 posted on 12/03/2011 10:35:07 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Joann37
Too bad he chose to stand on “principle” we cannot and will not support.

Poor socialist Romney! It sucks to be a RINO when he should be a registered democrat.

30 posted on 12/03/2011 10:37:42 AM PST by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et. al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Why can’t he say, we tried ObamaRomneycare in MA. It was a huge failure. It is foolish to now foist it on the rest of the nation.


31 posted on 12/03/2011 10:40:40 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: rabscuttle385

Mitt, on this we agree. Go down with your ship. Please.


32 posted on 12/03/2011 10:42:46 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: rabscuttle385

Romney shows his true colors (as if they’d really ever been hidden) - a liberal crypto-fascist, just like most democrats and, in particular, the idiot currently besmirching the office of President.


33 posted on 12/03/2011 10:43:02 AM PST by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: LostInBayport
Thank You for the insight. I expected as much. And this is what Romney defends still?

I would love to see him lose his home state. Let's hope you and your fellow Bay Staters can make that happen. :-)

34 posted on 12/03/2011 10:43:15 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: jessduntno

We wouldn’t know for a year and a half.

Six months to see the general physician and one year on the waiting list to see the specialist.


35 posted on 12/03/2011 10:52:14 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Karl Denninger has jumped the shark. Do not visit his blog.))
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To: rabscuttle385

Well isn’t that special!


36 posted on 12/03/2011 10:53:13 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: rabscuttle385
“I’m standing by what I did in Massachusetts,” Romney said on Fox News Channel’s Special Report with Bret Baier. “I’m not trying to dust it aside. I’m absolutely firm that it was the right thing for our state. I’ll defend that and I understand it has political implications. And if it keeps me from winning a primary, so be it. But that happens to be the truth.”

Yeah, what did the poor old Massachusetts residents do to deserve the mandate enforced by the Massachusetts Department of Revenue?

What happens if I do not meet the mandate?

If you don’t have health insurance by Dec. 31, 2007, you will lose your personal income tax exemption for 2007. That exemption gives you a Massachusetts tax savings of approximately $219.

In 2008, the cost of the penalty goes up. The fine will equal half of the cost of the lowest-priced Health Connector-certified plan for each month that you don’t have coverage

Waivers will be available for those who cannot afford a plan that meets the rules. Check back for updates.

How is the mandate enforced?

The Massachusetts Department of Revenue will enforce the individual mandate through the tax process.

Used to feel sorry for mass residents, then realized they continue to send the likes of Barney Frank, and Jon Kerry to DC, (would still be sending Ted Kennedy if he wasn't burning in Hell), and don't have much sympathy.

The DEGENERATE COWARD AND CON MAN FLIP SLICK WILLARD RINO ROMNEY needs to find a new hobby, running for the GOP nomination is a waste of time and money.

37 posted on 12/03/2011 10:54:29 AM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: rabscuttle385

This is really bad policy as far as politics go.

He would probably be way ahead of where he is in the polls if, during the DNC push to federalize medicine with their ‘health-care bill’ he had come out staunchly opposed to ‘Obamadoesn’tcare’ and used the failure of government-run medicine in his state as a perfect example.

If he had, I know I’d have a lot more respect for this RINO.


38 posted on 12/03/2011 10:56:49 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Karl Denninger has jumped the shark. Do not visit his blog.))
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To: rabscuttle385
Cool, Romney offers me a deal I can accept.

I won't vote for him and he'll lose the primaries and the nomination.

I be fine with that.

39 posted on 12/03/2011 10:57:27 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

“We wouldn’t know for a year and a half.”

Well, he is a VIP...that would account for the fast track, right?


40 posted on 12/03/2011 10:58:24 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hey, anything that keeps him out of the general election works for me.


41 posted on 12/03/2011 11:01:18 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: DoughtyOne

I mean, after all, we can exchange a right of center moderate conservative with a candidate who is probably slightly more conservative – but who pathologically does tons of too clever by half “out-of-the-box” thinking which often “transcends” conservatism. What a great trade. Who cares about electability and broad based appeal. We’ll go with the weirdo who looks like he just ate a baby – because he’s SCARY smart.


42 posted on 12/03/2011 11:03:03 AM PST by Presto (Liberalism is nonsense on stilts.)
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To: Joann37

Principle is just as much about doing the right thing. It really casts a shadow over his judgement given the results of his ‘experiment’ in MA. Romneycare was a failure in MA before it even got started especially because of the federal component which keeps the true cost of the program from the backs of those in MA. Even with that the subsidized portion is exploding in cost just as expected. This just proves he really believes in big govt involvement in health care when it involves him a ‘Republican’ and that is not just a problem with Romney it is a problem with a good segment of the DC GOP establishment. They aren’t really opposed to Obama on the level of principle just on a matter of degree. They mostly don’t see a problem with govt playing bigger and more widespread roles in everything provided it is they who are defining the rules.


43 posted on 12/03/2011 11:09:52 AM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good. Lose then.

However he can take a stand on ANYTHING and it would be taking a stand as he has taken a stand on all sides of EVERYTHING.


44 posted on 12/03/2011 11:13:29 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Presto

;^) Looks like a plan for some, no doubt.


45 posted on 12/03/2011 11:18:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Romney, Newt, any chance whatsoever you might sometime pander to U.S. Citizens vs the illegals?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good. The voters should have a realistic picture of a candidate’s most foundational political principles.


46 posted on 12/03/2011 11:27:25 AM PST by Tax-chick (There is no satire that is more ridiculous than the reality of our current government.~freedumb2003)
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To: rabscuttle385

I prefer Romney lose the primary too


47 posted on 12/03/2011 11:31:03 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Joann37

“At least he’s doing so this time.”

You bet! He lives in Massachusetts and is signed up for Romneycare, right?


48 posted on 12/03/2011 11:31:03 AM PST by DBrow
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To: rabscuttle385
Romney Prefers to Lose Primary ...

Okay.

49 posted on 12/03/2011 11:54:21 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: rabscuttle385

Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp


50 posted on 12/03/2011 11:55:04 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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