Posted on 01/09/2012 6:12:43 PM PST by Nachum
Does your "fake" BC attempt to emulate all of the aspects of a "real" BC of the time period of your birth?
Are the signatures and stamps on your "fake" BC just photo-copied reproductions or are they actual signatures and stamps?
My "fake" birth certificate is a piece of paper. But I got it 12 years ago, and I am not a member of the President's staff who is requesting a computer file or "emailed" copy.
Does your "fake" BC attempt to emulate all of the aspects of a "real" BC of the time period of your birth?
Yes. It attempts to create the illusion that the Father and Mother on the birth certificate are the ACTUAL father and mother at the time of my birth. It lists where they were born, what their occupations were, and where they lived at the time of my birth. None of this stuff is true.
Are the signatures and stamps on your "fake" BC just photo-copied reproductions or are they actual signatures and stamps?
As I got several copies of this birth certificate from the State Capitol Department of Health building, they are official certified copies. Each copy contains a multicolored stamped state seal/stamped signature of the State Registrar. It says above the stamp: " CERTIFIED COPY MUST BE VALIDATED IN THREE COLORS". It also contains the signature of the Physician that originally delivered me, even though this document was created 6 years after I was born.
A computer file with pasted in signatures and stamps is not a document like you have. There is no similarity in origin or in legality.
To my knowledge, only Obama's staff and perhaps a reporter or two has even SEEN Obama's paper copy. The Computer file has accomplished what Obama wanted politically, and that was to make most of the questions about his birth certificate go away. The only people left looking at it are us persistent types. :)
I think if Obama needed a document for court, he could get a paper copy of exactly what he has shown from the DOH in Hawaii. I believe THEY created it in accordance with normal state policies and procedures governing replacement birth certificates, and it is LEGAL, but not an original. The Original is sealed in a vault somewhere, and I suspect it to be based on an "at home birth " affidavit signed by his Grandmother Madelyn Dunham.
You are SOOOOO right N&V, while seeming to divert attention to jobs (or lack thereof as far as Obama is concerned), they still want to play us ‘Birthers’ off as distracting from the issues.
Sadly, no one gets that if Obama weren’t in ‘power’, the jobs issue wouldn’t be an issue in the first place.
What in the world makes you think there is one? The very existence of a digital file with cut and pasted signatures and stamps argues against the idea that HDOH ever made a paper BC.
That is an excellent, excellent point that can’t be made often enough. Can you imagine if somebody like Tim Adams had stated unequivocally that a Republican didn’t have such a basic and essential document??? It hurts my ears, just to think about it.
The liberal meme is that this is all about racism. In fact, it’s all about liberalism. Namely, the attitude that rules don’t apply unless *liberals* say they apply. And—surprise surprise—they say the rules only apply to Republicans, never to Dems.
If we don’t ultimately win this one, the Republic is the loser. But it’s looking more hopeful. O’s team thought they laid the issue to rest, but it’s popping up like kudzu-gone-wild. Sooner or later some judge will grant discovery. When that happens, Obama’s goose is cooked.
“I wouldn’t read anything too much into the quotes from Buckley (Dem state chair in New Hampshire). All he is doing is giving the standard Obamaton talking points in response to a question on the constitutional eligibility issue. Their strategy has always been to marginalize those of us who want to observe and live by the Constitution as kooks of one kind or another, and that’s exactly the card that Buckley is playing here. They clearly don’t want to prove that Zero is a natural born citizen because they can’t.”
Ahhhhhhh, BTW this is the SAME position Rush, Hannity, Levin, Ann and others in the conservative elites have taken towards us.
On this issue, DL, I think you are absolutely right. As Kenny Bunk has repeatedly pointed out, what HI did was create an “abstract”. (Once, I believe [don’t have the cite] they even identified it as such.) An Abstract is nothing like an original LF BC. In this case, the info contained would be exactly what Obama wanted it to contain. If KB will forgive me, I’ll quote one of the times he made that case. He does it better than I do:
‘In the first place, there is no BC. What the WH received from the HIDOH was a digitally prepared ABSTRACT of data on file with the HIDOH. It is a newly created document, not a copy of an existing LFBC.
What the WH did was to COPY that ABSTRACT and release it to the press, allowing everyone to assume that it was a copy of the LFBC.
As an ABSTRACT
it cannot purport to contain
ALL the info on the original document,
just what the ABSTRACTOR deems important.
[What the world] assumes is that this is the BC. It just ain’t.’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2719214/posts?page=49#49
So?...You're are newbie telling us that this isn't going anywhere? Really?
The very definition of a “fair” election is to have eligible candidates on the ballot. If they are frauds, then the election is a fraud.
Sorry...But I suspect that you are a paid troll. I suggest that you check in with the DNC. They might have some talking points that are less stale.
Mark Levin is slicker than snot!
He loves money more than his country.
He’d certainly gain some respect/support from this corner.
The WH obviously, again IMHO, used the data to paste up a n "official" looking document. The experts pick it up as a phony because it IS. The reason for the rigamarole?
Again FW, ABSTRACTS and CERTIFIED COPIES are called for every day in every town in the US. Real Estate Closings. Auto Title Exchanges. Loans. You cannot have private property without them. If you are the buyer, your lawyer would insist on a CERTIFIED COPY of TITLE. OTOH, a friendly (or careless) loan officer might let you slide with an ABSTRACT of Title as part of your loan package. The DMV is not so lax. Try and foist an ABSTRACT off on those boys and it's no title for you!
This just ain't a big mystery ... but Team Obama has gone all out to make it one. The MSM has certainly helped. They are the friendly loan officer here!
I did not realize that this was a union shop where things go by seniority. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows Obama will not be dragged out of the White House without a boot from the voters. There is real work that needs to be done in the real world, this is a pipe dream.
This bozo, whether he is an R or a D, should care deeply!
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Read his entire statement. I felt like you at first, but, he was making a very valid point.
work to keep Romney off the ballot so we can later vote Obama out.
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By the way this current crop of GOP candidates are destroying each other, I’m afraid we will have Obozo for four more years. This Primary Process has given the Dems all the campaign fodder they need for the General Election. They are preparing campaign ads right now, using our candidates own words against each other. Whomever the GOP nominee is, he is already damaged goods. We have managed to pull defeat from the jaws of victory. By 2017 when Obozo leaves office, after his second term, you will not recognize this great country of The United States of America, as we have always known it. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Every person who voted for Obozo, and votes for him the second time, will deserve what they friggin’ get.
It is not a difficult stretch of the imagination to think they did both. I do recall reading that the White House showed some reporters a paper copy. Perhaps they printed it off the file themselves, or perhaps their claims of it being hand carried by their attorney are true. Either way, I think this proffered document was created by Hawaii DOH as a replacement for his original.
I personally think there is a good chance his original was an Affidavit of Home birth which was written and signed by his Grandmother. If you will recall, Fukino claimed to have seen it, and described it as "half-written, Half-typed." That description fits perfectly with what you would expect for an Affidavit of Home Birth, but not so much for a normal birth certificate.
Yes, that is pretty much what I think.
That’s all you’re doing is stretching imagination to ridiculous lengths. The signatures were proved to be shopped in and that pretty much makes the whole thing totally phony.
Ray Buckley is an unapologetic homosexual perv.
1st vid that comes up on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iB1-j_P6rI
It was a very brief word someone gave me as I’d just re-arrived in NH, but a fellow who might know from the Queen City said the Manchester Police chief went way out of his way to quash an investigation on adolescent minors posting lewd messages etc on Buckley’s website and still being accomodated. See 2nd vid that comes up on youtube.
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