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What Would Happen If You Shot a Gun In Space?
Life Little Mysteries ^ | 2/17/2010 | Natalie Wolchover

Posted on 02/25/2012 3:43:56 PM PST by U-238

Fires can't burn in the oxygen-free vacuum of space, but guns can shoot. Modern ammunition contains its own oxidizer, a chemical that will trigger the explosion of gunpowder, and thus the firing of a bullet, wherever you are in the universe. No atmospheric oxygen required.

The only difference between pulling the trigger on Earth and in space is the shape of the resulting smoke trail. In space, "it would be an expanding sphere of smoke from the tip of the barrel," said Peter Schultz an astronomer at Brown University who researches impact craters.

The possibility of gunfire in space allows for all kinds of absurd scenarios.

Imagine you're floating freely in the vacuum between galaxies — just you, your gun and a single bullet. You have two options. You either can spend all of eternity trying to figure out how you got there, or you can shoot the damn cosmos.

If you do the latter, Newton's third law dictates that the force exerted on the bullet will impart an equal and opposite force on the gun, and, because you're holding the gun, you. With very few intergalactic atoms against which to brace yourself, you'll start moving backward (not that you’d have any way of knowing). If the bullet leaves the gun barrel at 1,000 meters per second, you — because you're much more massive than it is — will head the other way at only a few centimeters per second.

Once shot, the bullet will keep going, quite literally, forever. "The bullet will never stop, because the universe is expanding faster than the bullet can catch up with any serious amount of mass" to slow it down, said Matija Cuk, an astronomer with joint appointments at Harvard University and the SETI Institute.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; physics; science; space; spacescience
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To: U-238
One thing that might concern me is that the cartridge case, besides containing gunpowder, also contains a little bit of air. Depending on how much air was in the cartridge, and how firmly the bullet was seated, decompression might result in the bullet partially or completely popping out of the cartridge case, causing a jam in the mechanism.

I decided to do the math before posting: a .38 bullet has a base area of 0.108 square inches. Atmospheric pressure inside the case would be 14.7psi, so the bullet would experience 1.6 pounds of unseating pressure, which shouldn't be an issue with factory rounds.

41 posted on 02/25/2012 4:41:30 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: U-238
The only difference between pulling the trigger on Earth and in space is the shape of the resulting smoke trail. In space, "it would be an expanding sphere of smoke from the tip of the barrel," said Peter Schultz an astronomer at Brown University who researches impact craters.

I would expect a better analysis from a University astronomer. An expanding sphere? Hardly. The gases and smoke particles produced by the combustion in the weapon are going to expand down the barrel. In so doing they are going to accelerate to a pretty good velocity. (eg. rifles typically a couple thousand fps) upon exiting the barrel there is no atmosphere to slow the gases. The only significant force acting on them is their own molecules pushing on each other. So they will begin to push apart and expand, while still retaining their significant velocity. The resulting smoke trail should resemble a large cone, not a sphere.

42 posted on 02/25/2012 4:43:46 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Lazamataz

Might make it hard to do the test if the condition of space itself isn’t conducive to life.


43 posted on 02/25/2012 4:43:46 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: U-238

44 posted on 02/25/2012 4:45:31 PM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: gorush

The bullet will meet the centrifical force of the opposing atmospheric space minus all gravity divided by three with equal maass of the bloated brains of many scientists who think they know so much! Ha!


45 posted on 02/25/2012 4:46:16 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Lazamataz

There certainly is a guarantee that the laws of physics hold everywhere. Ask any astronomer.


46 posted on 02/25/2012 4:46:48 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: U-238

If John Browning was still around, he would figure out how to make it work and work every time.


47 posted on 02/25/2012 4:49:32 PM PST by yarddog
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To: cripplecreek

Without Nathan Fillion, it wouldn’t be the same.


48 posted on 02/25/2012 4:49:47 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Its OK because I like cheese.


49 posted on 02/25/2012 4:51:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Lazamataz
There is no guarentee that phsyics, and thusly chemistry, is a constant everywhere in the universe.

Geez, wherever you carried the round, the physics would remain the same for the round since that is something from one part of the universe you're carrying into another part--the physics are inherent in the physical materials of which the round is constructed. Besides, it's called UNI verse for a reason.
50 posted on 02/25/2012 4:52:23 PM PST by aruanan
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To: GAB-1955
This article puts some doubt on that conjecture.
51 posted on 02/25/2012 4:52:36 PM PST by Lazamataz (If unemployment helps the economy, like the W.H. says, then CONTRACTING CANCER MAKES YOU HEALTHIER!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“In space, no one can hear you shoot.

You can in the Hollywood part of space.”

Do you ever have to reload in space, or can you just keep banging away like they do in Hollywood?


52 posted on 02/25/2012 4:55:22 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: mkmensinger

If a man shoots a gun in space and no woman hears it, will he still be wrong?


53 posted on 02/25/2012 5:03:27 PM PST by IM2MAD
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To: aruanan
Geez, wherever you carried the round, the physics would remain the same for the round since that is something from one part of the universe you're carrying into another part--the physics are inherent in the physical materials of which the round is constructed. Besides, it's called UNI verse for a reason.

If physics differed based on spatial location, the materials would behave differently. It's not like you carry a little bit of spatial immunity around!

Besides, the UNIVERSE stands for

Understanding
No
Inclination of
Virtually
Everything to
React the
Same,
Everywhere

Q.E.D.

54 posted on 02/25/2012 5:06:18 PM PST by Lazamataz (If unemployment helps the economy, like the W.H. says, then CONTRACTING CANCER MAKES YOU HEALTHIER!)
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To: U-238

my question would be this...

If you fire a 45 in space... the bullet takes off and travels at it’s rated ballistic speed forever. How fast will you travel the opposite way??


55 posted on 02/25/2012 5:08:41 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: Lazamataz
If physics differed based on spatial location, the materials would behave differently. It's not like you carry a little bit of spatial immunity around!

Yeah, "if," the longest word in the English language. And the evidence that physics could differ based on spatial location as opposed to a qualitatively different environment?
56 posted on 02/25/2012 5:14:50 PM PST by aruanan
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To: U-238
What Would Happen If You Shot a Gun In Space?

Believe it or not, this is a question that I've pondered before.

57 posted on 02/25/2012 5:16:00 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Lazamataz
"Fires can't burn in the oxygen-free vacuum of space, but guns can shoot. Modern ammunition contains its own oxidizer, a chemical that will trigger the explosion of gunpowder, and thus the firing of a bullet, wherever you are in the universe."

BIG assumption. There is no guarentee that phsyics, and thusly chemistry, is a constant everywhere in the universe. All I'd need to do is adjust the Planck Constant just a bit, and the results might be that upon pulling the trigger, Bugs Bunny would peek out the barrel with a little BANG flag, kiss you on the nose, then dive back into the barrel.

Much hilarity ensues.

Holy Black Hole Laz-Man! With that response, I'm guessing you have been hitting the (great?) granddaughters of Einstein and Blanc at the same time.

58 posted on 02/25/2012 5:18:55 PM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: U-238

Something I have wondered for a long time is this:

Does God work through the laws of physics or can he change them at will?


59 posted on 02/25/2012 5:19:19 PM PST by yarddog
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To: aruanan
Evidence that the laws of physics could differ based on spatial location.

Not conclusive that they do, but evidence that they COULD.

60 posted on 02/25/2012 5:20:26 PM PST by Lazamataz (If unemployment helps the economy, like the W.H. says, then CONTRACTING CANCER MAKES YOU HEALTHIER!)
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