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In CBS interview, Romney abandons the Party of Lincoln
RenewAmerica.com ^ | August 31, 2012 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 09/01/2012 7:45:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: palmer
The pro-lifers are wiling to put up with 4 more more years of abortion and euthanasia under Obama to gamble on 2016. That might be an ok argument for that one issue, but in the big picture it means sacrificing the economy as well.

On the other hand, after a couple more years of Obama, nobody will be able to afford an abortion...or food...or gas...medicine...clothing...electricity....

101 posted on 09/01/2012 9:29:11 AM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: bcsco

LOL...you guys are a real hoot.

I’ve been here twelve years and never made a secret of who I am.

My name is on my homepage. Is yours?


102 posted on 09/01/2012 9:29:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Kansas58
Romney, however, will sign any piece of legislation that we can get through Congress.

There in lies the rub. There is no way that the GOP is going to pick up the 15-plus seats it'll need to make it to 60 in the Senate. And there is no way the Democrats aren't going to filibuster everything that Romney sends their way. Especially something concerning abortion. Romney's attempts to appear moderate isn't going to make a bit of difference to Reid and his mob.

103 posted on 09/01/2012 9:30:37 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: muawiyah

No, I’m trying to get you to see that the rapists created a terrible situation.

He is totally to blame. Depending on the circumstances and evidence, I don’t have a problem with the death penalty for the rapist in extreme circumstances.

The woman is the victim of a terrible crime and injustice. Only she has the moral right to determine her future.

If you choose the baby over the mother, I can understand your logic, but then at least acknowledge that the mother will have more suffering and that her consent is unimportant.


105 posted on 09/01/2012 9:35:45 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: EternalVigilance
My name is on my homepage. Is yours?

Why would my name be on your homepage? Seriously, you're running for the presidency, yet won't state it emphatically in your posts? You expect people to discover that by going to your homepage, then scrolling down to a couple lines of text amongst all the clutter, that makes the round-about confession? That's how you run an election campaign?

You're nothing but a pretender, a gnat in the eye of an elephant. You don't even have the integrity to attack Obama. You only attack the GOP. That there is confirmation you want Obama to win. You're a damned Obama troll. Nothing more. Begone you silly little dufus.

106 posted on 09/01/2012 9:37:02 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: desertfreedom765
So you'd let the rapist go and kill the baby?

One strange dude ~ that's your "extenuating circumstances" delimiter BTW.

107 posted on 09/01/2012 9:37:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EternalVigilance

the author sounds so reasonable because everything he says is blatantly obvious. Was a bit of a shock to see it was written by Keyes. He doesn’t sound like himself.

I only work for local state legislative conservative candidates. Do not do anything for the Romney organization. The “conservatives” on here pining for Romney don’t realize how silly they sound.

“OH PLEASE VOTE FOR MR. ROMNEY OR THAT OBAMA WILL BE PRESIDENT!!! AND IT WOULD BE ALL YOUR FAULT.”


108 posted on 09/01/2012 9:39:55 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: Delhi Rebels
Well, whatever. You are aware Carl Rove was quite willing yesterday to murder a Republican candidate for the Senate. What do you imagine he might do with respect to Democrat candidates?

That guy is still around ~ and seriously, he needs to have his politics plug pulled. Just waiting on the Democrats to start hollering about this guy.

109 posted on 09/01/2012 9:40:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ontap

We have in Romney a man of compromise, not a man of principle. He is a politician, not a statesman. He does not carefully think through the morality of a matter. Rather, he carefully considers its political consequences. He is easily swayed and always seeks the most acceptable position. As a national figure he is at best transitional between tyranny and constitutional government.


110 posted on 09/01/2012 9:43:13 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: bcsco

You got my point. I’m finished arguing with these fools. Just pull their Alynski tactics on them. It reminds me of seeing an adult arguing with a 5 year old about anything. Makes one wonder who the smartest one in the argument really is.


111 posted on 09/01/2012 9:46:35 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: mazda77

Yeah but it sure is fun teasing them. I enjoy it so...


112 posted on 09/01/2012 9:48:49 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: muawiyah

You never once addressed the mothers suffering and lack of consent. You have no answers for this.

“One strange dude ~”

Pot calls kettle black.


113 posted on 09/01/2012 9:51:43 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: EternalVigilance

“That may well be the absolute worst thing I’ve ever seen posted on FR.”

The simple fact is that the state is never going to force a rape victim to bear a child that is the product of the rape.

Abortion is wrong, and our society (especially the younger generation) is coming around to this viewpoint. A position such as yours that a rape victim should be forced to give birth to a rapists child only sets back the pro-life movement.

Would it be your contention that the rape victim should be raise this child as well? And if not, maybe she should have to pay child support so that someone else could raise the child?

There are a lot more ectopic pregnancies in this country than there are rape pregnancies. These little ones are innocent too are they not? How would you handle those in your perfect world?

Over 50 million babies have been murdered since roe/wade. That should be our focus.


114 posted on 09/01/2012 9:55:05 AM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene

What you don’t understand is that it was exceptions to the unalienable right to life that opened the door to abortion on demand. And it is exceptions that keep that door wide open.

It is inevitable, because, once you abandon the principle of equality before the law, you have nothing left, morally, legally, or politically.


115 posted on 09/01/2012 9:59:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: babygene

By the way, the whole “forcing the rape victim to carry the child” thing is a wicked formulation.

All society is saying is that it is unlawful to kill another innocent human being, no matter what anyone else did to you.

Anything else is barbarism.


116 posted on 09/01/2012 10:03:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

http://www.lifenews.com/2010/11/26/nat-6891/

“Obama has done everything in his power to advance abortion and continue that pro-abortion legacy of the Supreme Court, including naming two more pro-abortion jurists in Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor. He has also expanded that 53 million abortions by authorizing abortion funding in various instances and decreasing funds for abstinence education.”

http://www.ontheissues.org/mitt_romney.htm#Abortion

Voting Record
Would be delighted to sign federal ban on all abortions. (Nov 2007)
2005: Vetoed availability without Rx of morning-after pill. (Aug 2007)
Defining mistake: supported abortion law despite opposing it. (Aug 2007)
Would welcome overturning Roe v. Wade. (Mar 2007)
Committed to not change law on abortion as Gov., and did not. (Mar 2007)
Opposes Roe v Wade, but won’t tamper with abortion laws. (Dec 2006)
Vetoed emergency contraception for rape victims. (Jul 2005)
Endorsed legalization of RU-486. (Mar 2002)

Willard is definitely a mixed bag but as a minority (albeit a large bloc) conservatives—unlike Democrats or the GOP establishment—don’t have the luxury of suspending reality, or using doublethink: accepting two contradictory beliefs simultaneously as true, to rationalize hard choices.
The two candidates are not equivalent. I can give 53 million reasons why to vote for the GOP candidate.

So, choose. Not choosing is a choice.


117 posted on 09/01/2012 10:09:09 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: muawiyah
It looks like we will find out in January, one way or the other, what it means and doesn't mean. Until then, it's just words and posturing by political candidates for votes.

So...until then, I will continue to hope for the best while I prepare for the worst.

My last hope for this election is nothing more than that, hope:

I hope that if you take Romney out of Mass. and replace that ultra liberal constituency with the much larger and vocal conservative base throughout the nation, including the "red" states and their conservative governors, we will see a more conservative Romney who governs accordingly.

That's all I have left. The rest is all about preparing for the worst.

118 posted on 09/01/2012 10:13:12 AM PDT by GBA
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To: EternalVigilance

my proposed agenda for freepers:

1. Do not sign up to be an unpaid lackey for Romney, Inc.
2. Work hard this fall for a local conservative in a close race. Get him/her elected.
3. Start the 2016 campaign if you are obsessed with all things Presidential.
4. If Romney, Inc. wins, the 2016 is cancelled. Start the 2020 campaign.


119 posted on 09/01/2012 10:22:59 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: tumblindice
So, choose. Not choosing is a choice.

Cyanide or strychnine is not a legitimate choice.

120 posted on 09/01/2012 10:31:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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