'Iran must steer clear of US interests in the Gulf'

Ynet news.com ^ | September 3, 2012 | Shimon Shiffer

[ANGGAPO]

Perhaps we should think outside of the box on this one.
If Iran forces us into a war it would appear that the thing to do is consider the conquest of Iran. We need oil, they got oil. We want peace in the middle east. And in this case peace would come out of the muzzle of a gun. It also might be convenient to have a far away place to send some of our disloyal politicians and the social misfits that we have collected.

[Marcella]

So, Hussein sends a letter to Ahmadennyjerk that we won't back Israel if he doesn't attack our ships.

Ahmadennyjerk sends a letter to Hussein, agreeing to the deal. Israel attacks and Ahmadennyjerk attacks our ships. He says, I don't deal with America, the big Satan.

Israel has to attack before Ahmadennyjerk puts vital machinery so deep into the new underground facility, that Israel can't destroy it with bombs. I think they have come to the point it has to be done now.

Hussein doesn't care if Israel is totally destroyed, every Jew killed. Israel has a motto, “Never again.” I expect an attack this month or next.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Ranald S. MacKenzie.

Washington reportedly sends Tehran indirect message saying it will not back Israeli strike on nuclear facilities as long as Iran refrains from attacking American facilities in Persian Gulf...

There, that should work. /s

[SunkenCiv]

related:

• Decision by Netanyahu, Barak to strike Iran is almost final
• Why Israel Doesn't Trust Obama
• U.S. Tells Iran: We Won't Join Israeli Attack
• US rattles saber against Iran in attempt to stall Israeli strike

[chiefqc]

You’ll see, mac daddy will issue a strongly worded e-mail, in bold cap’s, telling them how really, really, really mad he is with them.

There that should do it, now back to more important things like my golfing.

[familyop]

"According to the report, Washington used covert back-channels in Europe to clarify that the US does not intend to back Israel in a strike that may spark a regional conflict.

In return, Washington reportedly expects Iran to steer clear of strategic American assets in the Persian Gulf, such as military bases and aircraft carriers."

So Washington is making an alliance with Iran against Israel's existence to suit the wishes of constituents of the European-American political/regulator class (government-linked plutocracy) to keep oil low and the dollar high for their import/debt regime that is destroying our US manufacturing base.

[cherokee1]

The infinite ignorance displayed in that story is sky-rocket spectacular. The notion, for example, that a cyber attack would somehow stop the Persians from building something, anything, is nothing but blowhardiness. If nothing else is said remember that we didn’t need computers to build our first bomb and we really don’t need them to build much of anything now including bombs. Especially on-line computers. While computer aided machinery can be very efficient and is certainly labor saving it did not start the industrial revolution——but it does allow more Persian kids to stay in the basement down at the Casbah.

[Seizethecarp]

Pentagon war-gaming reported in the ever helpful NY Times (helpful to the enemy) reports that CenCom commander Gen Mattis finds "troubling" significant likely American casualties resulting from a go-it-alone Israeli attack. This would be devastating to Obama right before the election. This prediction of US casualties was all but confirmed previously by Adm. Mullen's shameful and indiscreet rear orifice pucker at the mere mention of a preemptive strike on Iran just before he stepped down as head of CentCom.

“U.S. War Game Sees Perils of Israeli Strike Against Iran”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/world/middleeast/united-states-war-game-sees-dire-results-of-an-israeli-attack-on-iran.html?pagewanted=all

“WASHINGTON — A classified war simulation held this month to assess the repercussions of an Israeli attack on Iran forecasts that the strike would lead to a wider regional war, which could draw in the United States and leave hundreds of Americans dead, according to American officials.”

IMO, what is despicable and traitorous is Obama’s failure to guarantee that Iranian retaliatory capability against US forces and our Israeli ally will be taken out on day one before most of them can be used rather than after most are expended at both US and Israeli civilian and military targets.

[cherokee1]

Lots of folks mis-understand what it takes to shut down the Persians nuke program. First off the Bushehr reactor is right on the coast. Just as Saddam did, a few well placed bunker busters and it is history for another decade or two. Remember it is the source of their spent fuel to re-process. Let them bury centrifuges as deep as they want. It just makes a better gravesite. When the power to them goes out, and the water disappears, they will be as effective as a well-buried Egyptian mummy. I realy think the Persians have no idea what is probably coming after them. While the nimrods in the media make the most of how deep the Persian nuke hole is that simply isn’t what the most effective /expensive target is.

[familyop]

"Lets be clear here.
Obama- not America- will not back Israel.
The American people and the American military would."

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The Rose Garden
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Summary
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[Document behind the link.]
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/sk/article_1489_sk.htm
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...little more background material:

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts
February 1, 2005

Bush and Sharon disagree over Israel's future
Wednesday June 27, 2001
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,513410,00.html

Sharon presses Putin to drop UN resolution on road map
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013908/posts
4 November 2003

Commencement Address at Boston College (Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Boston, Massachusetts, May 22, 2006. US Department of State)

Excerpts:

As a student of a Catholic high school, the Sisters of Loretta taught me, I am pleased to be at an institution of higher education with such strong and celebrated Catholic and Jesuit traditions . . . You see, I got my Master's Degree at Notre Dame. (Boos.) I acquired a passion for the fighting Irish . . . and my family has been college educated and Presbyterian ever since. (Laughter and applause.) . . . I wandered into a course on international politics taught by a Czech refugee who specialized in Soviet studies, a man who had a daughter by the name of Madeleine Albright. With that one class, I was hooked. I discovered that my passion was Russia and all things Russian.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718348/posts

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http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp515.htm

Two United Methodist gatherings urge selective divestment from Israel (official anti-Israel United Methodist Website)
http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.886089/k.A105/Two_United_Methodist_gatherings_urge_selective_divestment_from_Israel.htm

world council of churches (WCC)
church & ecumenical relations
http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/ecumenical/index-e.html
"Among those churches which are not members of the WCC, the most notable is the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Since 1965 a Joint Working Group (JWG), co-sponsored by the WCC and the RCC, has met regularly to discuss issues of common interest and promote cooperation. The group meets annually. One of the church and ecumenical relations staff members serves as co-secretary for the JWG and helps to coordinate contact between the Council and the dicasteries of the Vatican through the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. [And] . . . Though the Roman Catholic Church is not a member of the WCC, it is a full member of the Faith & Order Commission. The RCC also serves the team on Mission & Evangelism in a consultative capacity."

[Lil Flower]

The American Military will do exactly what they are commanded to do by their Commander in Chief and to think otherwise is pure folly.

[Marcella]

“While the nimrods in the media make the most of how deep the Persian nuke hole is that simply isn’t what the most effective /expensive target is.”

My info. about that comes from Netanyahu and Defense Minister Barack some months ago. I don’t know what Iran wants deep underground (could be the advanced missiles they need to carry the bomb) but that was talked of by those two as being the catalyst that would push them to take out facilities. I think they can’t wait any longer based on present warnings by Netanyahu. I don’t think he is bluffing.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks familyop.

[UnwashedPeasant]

Iran has no reason to fear provoking the US. Besides the current extreme submissiveness from Obama, there is the longstanding Bush/Obama policy of ignoring Iran’s action against our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan.

[UnwashedPeasant]

Someone like Rush or Dennis Prager should give out an annual Neville Chamberlain Award for stuff like this.

[af_vet_1981]

Lets be clear here. Obama- not America- will not back Israel. The American people and the American military would.

That would only be true if they vote for Mitt Romney; try getting the vocal minority on FR to agree to that; all the rest is just empty rhetoric.

[SJackson]

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[jonascord]

They are DEMOCRATS! They are stupid. I grew up in Chicago. It is known, as the Sun rises in the East, that Chicago pols and indeed, all cops, are good in that they can be trusted to take a bribe and keep quiet about where they got it.

They are all corrupt, it's just a matter of how much. (I, personally, have bribed Chicago cops. Sorry, welcome to the Real World.)

That anyone else would vote for this pond scum is simply a demonstration of their position on the left side of the IQ Bell Curve.