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Secession? Let THEM Secede.
Self | 11/17/12 | RightOnline

Posted on 11/17/2012 3:30:30 PM PST by RightOnline

Since the November 6, 2012 elections, resulting in significant Democrat Party gains (including keeping the White House), talk of secession has become rather serious.

Such talk has been around for years. Travel to Alaska (I admit it's been years since I have been there, but I've visited courtesy of Uncle Sam three times) and you'll see secessionist literature everywhere...diners, wherever people gather. To a lesser extent, this has been true in Texas, as well (lived there for years). Alaska and Texas are admittedly the two most independent-minded States in our nation.

Now....such talk isn't relegated to the pioneer-minded, two largest States. No fewer than 30 States have had citizens collecting, and submitting to an obscure White House-controlled Web site, petitions seeking peaceful secession. The numbers are growing; the anger and frustration are palpable.

I am sensing what divorce proceedings deem "irreconcilable differences" in our nation. Many have tried to define the "sides" in this: black and brown vs. white.....haves and have-nots.....makers and takers.....taxpayers and those who suck off of the taxpayers, ad infinitum.

Let's take yet another look at the electoral map, by county, from November 6th. As if anyone here isn't aware, red designates Republican majority (votes-wise), blue designates Democrat.

What does such a map really say about us, our country, our citizenry....and who's calling the shots in these elections? Look very closely.

I certainly do not claim to be a professional analyst of such things, but I will say here what this map screams to me.

Our country is now run by Democrat-run, large cities...on the coasts and in the upper-Midwest. Northern New England is a write-off (must be something about the cold). Let's now add what can clearly be seen, across the South, as what I will refer to here as "The Black Belt". Add to these the areas in the Southwest that are dominated by Hispanics and Native Americans.

The overwhelming majority of these counties across the U.S., setting the above aside, voted Republican.

I was chastised recently for referring to our current political situation as "tyranny of the few", with the offended party quoting electoral vote counts, etc.

I stand by it. It IS tyranny of the few, in easily identifiable places. Clear as a bell. These little pockets of blue hold huge numbers of people under Democrat rule, living off of red-Staters' largesse via Uncle Sam.

Secede? No.....we don't need to secede. We need to isolate these areas....politically. Economically? Not nearly so easy and, I submit, not quite as necessary....but it can be done to an extent that gets their attention.

Looking to build a business? Get out of those blue areas. Looking to vacation? Avoid those blue areas (many depend HEAVILY on tourism). Politically? Focus on hearts-and-minds campaigns where they may work.....particularly the Southwest (e.g. heavy Hispanic, Native American populations) and even rural blacks. Reach out to them; EDUCATE them on what a wonderful country we do still have. Give them something to support....something to vote for from this point forward. Appeal to their patriotism; their desire to better themselves and their families.....and most of all, to their faith.

These corrupt, Democrat-controlled sewers are dictating to the rest of us via sheer, concentrated numbers in highly compressed areas.

The military.....former military leaders, spec ops guys, etc.....are well aware of how to isolate such pockets of trouble and resistance. Let's learn from them; use their hard-earned experience and lessons to isolate our foes.

No, you don't move to a new country to avoid the cancer in your body. You fight it by isolating it, focusing on it, using chemotherapy or homeopathic treatments....anything to stop and reverse the cancerous growth.

Just my humble opinion, my FRiends....but I believe that is the answer, not the breaking up of what is still a great nation.


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1 posted on 11/17/2012 3:30:39 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
Secession? Let THEM Secede.

Practically speaking THEY already did.

...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

When elected officials and bureaucracies act outside the law they are simply lawbreakers. When the majority of the people vote in favor of the lawlessness that has greatly manifested itself in the highest offices they have withdrawn their consent to be governed by a constitutional government. By what legitimate basis does the United States of America, as a Constitutional republic, still exist?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

'The People' no longer support that. They voted in support of lawlessness from the highest office on down. They voted against the rule of law. By referendum we now have a banana republic. The USAINO.

2 posted on 11/17/2012 3:35:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: RightOnline

Those red counties, doesnt mean that they are all red, just 51 percent or more. Those blue counties, doesnt mean that they are all blue, but usually more than 51%....right up to 100%.

This is not a clear picture.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 3:36:06 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: RightOnline

They won’t secede. We are the host bodies. They are the bloodsucking ticks. They feed on our lifeblood. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. One way or another.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 3:38:57 PM PST by greene66
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To: RightOnline

good point. we are better armed, after all.


5 posted on 11/17/2012 3:39:15 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: RightOnline

Arizona, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi look scary with all the blue within their borders. I guess Arizona especially.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 3:39:28 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: RightOnline

My vote is to make it so that you are either a land owner or own a business,(as is those that pay to bills) to be eligible to vote.

There used to be a saying, “He who pays control me”. But unfortunately, it has become, “He who receives controls me.”


7 posted on 11/17/2012 3:39:28 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: RightOnline

“Our country is now run by Democrat-run, large cities...on the coasts and in the upper-Midwest.”

The map clearly shows this. It is striking that it is cities with Ghetto voters than lean Dem and entitlement state. I no longer believe in universal suffrage. I don’t care about one’s race or skin color...but strongly question if persons living in ghettos (that don’t pay income tax) should even be allowed to vote. I wonder if all those that paid no income tax in the past few years (not talking about the retired worker...but folks that do not work nor desire to) had not been allowed to vote....how would it have affected the election???

I am also questioning IF voters under 18 (not serving in the military) should be voting? It was a mistake in 1971 to lower the national voting age to 18.


8 posted on 11/17/2012 3:40:38 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: RightOnline
Thanks, this is right on the button!
9 posted on 11/17/2012 3:41:22 PM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: RightOnline

“These corrupt, Democrat-controlled sewers are dictating to the rest of us via sheer, concentrated numbers in highly compressed areas.”

They are properly called Ghettos!


10 posted on 11/17/2012 3:42:29 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: RightOnline

Agreed that the map you posted isn’t indicative of what it really looks like in this country. See below:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/


11 posted on 11/17/2012 3:42:34 PM PST by vikk
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To: RightOnline

Wait, every state has the right to petition the federal government, every citizen has the right to petition the federal government..if they no long wish to be part of the United States, let them step away and be an independent country.
After all we are just fifty countries/states bound together for common defense. (Well, in the old days anyway)
I am trying to figure out why so called conservatives are more upset about this issue than liberals are.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 3:45:29 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: napscoordinator

The blue sections in AZ shouldn’t disturb you too much. For the most part those are Indian reservations. Vast tracts of land with very few people living there. The dark blue section in the north includes Flagstaff and the one in the south includes Phoenix and Tucson so they have the city-lib vote adding to the Indian vote.


13 posted on 11/17/2012 3:48:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: svcw

Maybe because the conservatives are paying a disproportionate share of expenses?


14 posted on 11/17/2012 3:53:47 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If you love your freedom, thank a vet.)
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To: RightOnline
These little pockets of blue hold huge numbers of people under Democrat rule, living off of red-Staters' largesse via Uncle Sam.

Just one problem with this theory.

On average, blue states pay more to the federal government than they receive in services, while of course on average red states take in more than they pay out.

This is primarily because blue states on average are wealthier than red states.

I have no idea how such an analysis would play out on the county level.

15 posted on 11/17/2012 3:54:09 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: RightOnline
These corrupt, Democrat-controlled sewers are dictating to the rest of us via sheer, concentrated numbers in highly compressed areas.

Those areas are the smelly sewer of the Country. Full of communists and pot heads. They have no loyalty to America but to their greed and willingness to steal from the rest of America.

16 posted on 11/17/2012 3:56:11 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Silentgypsy

That wont change, whether the state is independent of the USA or not.
Besides liberals will not stay in a state that secede....they will be feared they wont get their free phone.


17 posted on 11/17/2012 3:56:48 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: RightOnline
I prefer "dissolution of the ties that bind us", since we, liberals and conservatives, are so far apart politically and philosophically. I just do not see a way to bridge the gap that now exists and continues to grow wider with each year.

I seriously believe it would be in the interest of both parties to go their separate ways; I think they would be better off without the encumbrance of what liberals call the "enemy". They truly hate conservatives more than radical muslims, communists, and dictators.

Conservatives cannot fathom how liberals expect the nation to function, nay survive, if they continue to take more and more and more from the producers and just hand it over to the lazy (after passing through government hands, of course!).

Conservatives cannot understand why liberals do not want to defend this country instead of tearing it down at every opportunity. So I say give the liberals a nation of their own and let them tear it down. You know it won't last long.

Give them the UN, let them take away all gun rights, put everyone not a certified millionaire on welfare, tax the bejeezus out of the remaining millionaires (and watch said millionaires flee the liberal nation), and see how long it all lasts.

Conservatives can then get their own nation with undeniable gun and property ownership rights, a compliant small government, a judiciary under the thumb of the people (instead of the way it is now), an uncorrupt electoral process, and very free people with low crime rate.

18 posted on 11/17/2012 4:04:13 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
My vote is to make it so that you are either a land owner or own a business,(as is those that pay to bills) to be eligible to vote.

Doomed to fail, because you neglected to deal with that 19th Amendment thing.

Include that and I'm with you 100%.

19 posted on 11/17/2012 4:04:41 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
My vote is to make it so that you are either a land owner or own a business,(as is those that pay to bills) to be eligible to vote.

I am curious how you plan to get a universal suffrage electorate to vote to disenfranchise a large percentage of itself.

20 posted on 11/17/2012 4:08:40 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: RightOnline

If preserving the Union means national suicide, no thanks. Let those desiring Socialism stay on the USS Titanic steaming off to Utopia, and the rest of desiring Constitutional freedom and liberty disembark now.


21 posted on 11/17/2012 4:12:34 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: svcw

I’ll put this as bluntly and inelegantly as I can.

I’m not upset about the secession issue. I’m saying to hell with those blue patches; make THEM ‘run’ away. We, the majority of the US, are fed up with them. Time to excise THEM.


22 posted on 11/17/2012 4:13:05 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: svcw
I am trying to figure out why so called conservatives are more upset about this issue than liberals are.

I have been trying to figure that out for years.

23 posted on 11/17/2012 4:15:14 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RightOnline

Ok, I get it.
More like secede, then divide the states into real red and real blue, and let the blue flounder and beg to come back........


24 posted on 11/17/2012 4:16:01 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Sherman Logan
"This is primarily because blue states on average are wealthier than red states."

...but is that really true any more? I don't know. I do know that Americans are fleeing CA, NY, and other blue-bastions in droves. Same with businesses; a trend that has been going on for years.

25 posted on 11/17/2012 4:16:05 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: RightOnline

The blue areas will suffer the most in an economic collapse and this map tells us the reason: LAND. In an emergency, those w/o access to land will lack water and the ability to store and produce food. Land is also critical for maintaining hygiene and security. When the ‘just-in-time’ food chain fails inflation hits, credit and EBT cards freeze up, the welfare mobs will keep the military and the police very busy in the blue areas. The red areas will be the place to be. The gene pool might even improve.
Just think of red- oxygenated, blue- deoxygenated.


26 posted on 11/17/2012 4:16:11 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: DTogo

No.....the point of this whole post is...let THEM disembark.


27 posted on 11/17/2012 4:18:49 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: RightOnline

Pray for Obama and Congress. God said so.

For kings and all who are in positions of authority or high responsibility, that [outwardly] we may pass a quiet and undisturbed life [and inwardly] a peaceable one in all godliness and reverence and seriousness in every way.
1 Timothy 2:2

Obama and Congress were placed in power by God.

Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.  So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves.  For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval. For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, it is an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.  Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience. And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.
Romans 13:1-6

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.
2 Peter 2:13-17

God says despising government means you’re twisted sexually too.

He is especially hard on those who follow their own twisted sexual desire, and who despise authority. These people are proud and arrogant, daring even to scoff at supernatural beings without so much as trembling.
2 Peter 2:10

If Obama and the Democratic Senate are your enemies, then you are commanded to love your enemies, not hate or curse them.

“Love your enemies! Do good to them. Lend to them without expecting to be repaid. Then your reward from heaven will be very great, and you will truly be acting as children of the Most High, for he is kind to those who are unthankful and wicked.
Luke 6:35

But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Matthew 5:44-48

Bless those who persecute you. Don’t curse them; pray that God will bless them.
Romans 12:14

Recent prophetic word on November 12, 2012 echoing the above verses.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2960035/posts

 


28 posted on 11/17/2012 4:18:59 PM PST by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: svcw

Close.....but I don’t believe actual secession is really necessary (if I did, I’d say so in a heartbeat). They’re concentrated, they’re identifiable....let’s cut them out and let them die on their own like a highly targeted cancerous tumor.


29 posted on 11/17/2012 4:21:12 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: RightOnline

Average income of the different states is pretty easy to find. They change pretty slowly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

Interestingly, the rank order varies pretty dramatically between median household income and per capita income.

For instance, Florida is #6 in per capita income and #37 in median household income. I expect the logical explanation is the smaller average size of a household in Florida, perhaps due to the large number of retirees.


30 posted on 11/17/2012 4:21:29 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: RightOnline

The map says that I need to move over a county, or two.


31 posted on 11/17/2012 4:21:34 PM PST by madison10
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To: RightOnline

Well, CA just hit number one for poverty rate, at least using the latest way of calculating it.


32 posted on 11/17/2012 4:23:02 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: RightOnline
The places with the most people are by and large Dim the places with the most land are GOP...unfortunately land don't vote...
33 posted on 11/17/2012 4:23:02 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: elkfersupper

My vote is a person has to pay income taxes to be able to vote. Enough of this getting a tax return when the person didn’t earn anything.


34 posted on 11/17/2012 4:24:54 PM PST by madison10
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To: elkfersupper

So are you saying that women shouldn’t allowed to vote?

If so, Sorry Charlie, I am a female. I own property, so I would be eligible to vote. The owner of the company that I work for is also a female. We are both tea party patriots.

Oh and for the record, those that serve in the military with an honorable discharge should also be allowed to vote since they have paid with the a price to serve our country.


35 posted on 11/17/2012 4:26:02 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: vikk

ROFL, that makes perfect sense........ROFL hahaha.


36 posted on 11/17/2012 4:28:33 PM PST by annieokie
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To: greene66

“They won’t secede. We are the host bodies. They are the bloodsucking ticks. They feed on our lifeblood. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. One way or another.”

Extremely well put!


37 posted on 11/17/2012 4:29:58 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: ROTB
I agree with most of your post, except you're dead wrong on this one:

"God says despising government means you’re twisted sexually too."

"He is especially hard on those who follow their own twisted sexual desire, and who despise authority. These people are proud and arrogant, daring even to scoff at supernatural beings without so much as trembling. 2 Peter 2:10"

You somehow neglected the word AND in the first sentence. Context counts; syntax counts. You totally mischaracterized the entire meaning of the accompanying verse. Your equating "despising government" with being "twisted sexually" is not even close....not to mention nonsensical.

Excise this from your reply and it's a good one.

38 posted on 11/17/2012 4:30:30 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: RightOnline

To win, we have to neutralize the media. How do you propose to do that?


39 posted on 11/17/2012 4:31:59 PM PST by rcofdayton
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To: RightOnline

To win, we have to neutralize the media. How do you propose to do that?


40 posted on 11/17/2012 4:32:19 PM PST by rcofdayton
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked; elkfersupper

What about 1 vote per household.........

If hubbie and wifey both vote the same way, great. But if the they vote opposite - they cancel each other out. The household netted to no vote, an exercise in futility.

If there was 1 vote per household, the household could hash out how they wanted to vote.

Kids where parents still take a deduction for them (as in full-time students) - not a household.

Of course, one could get more selective and say households that pay taxes.

But perhaps I’m getting way ahead of myself !


41 posted on 11/17/2012 4:33:23 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: rcofdayton

Take over the media..

tall order I know. But the left has taken over the media and schools. Until we fix this, we’ll never win.


42 posted on 11/17/2012 4:37:44 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: PieterCasparzen
What about 1 vote per household.........

Married couples get 1 vote.

People who don't get married get two votes.

Can't think of a better way to ensure permanent Democratic dominance.

43 posted on 11/17/2012 4:38:36 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ROTB

Please don’t use The Bible to stop a boy-cott on Blue states.


44 posted on 11/17/2012 4:40:57 PM PST by LocDoc
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To: ROTB

I don’t agree with what you are saying. Under the US constitvion we have a right to secede imo. The gou’t does not have the right to do certain things it has done. God has made a way of escape for us.


45 posted on 11/17/2012 4:47:05 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Sherman Logan
On average, blue states pay more to the federal government than they receive in services, while of course on average red states take in more than they pay out.

Do you have any sources for this? This is the first time I've heard of this phenomena

46 posted on 11/17/2012 5:04:35 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: rcofdayton

The media preaches to the choir. ‘Nuff said....and no, I’m not in the slightest discounting your point nor being flip towards you.


47 posted on 11/17/2012 5:13:28 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: rcofdayton
A fair amount of rope and a number of lampposts should do nicely.

They've had it coming for a loooong time.

48 posted on 11/17/2012 5:14:57 PM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

People on welfare should not be able to vote. They just vote for more handouts.

If Texas secedes, this should be among the reforms.


49 posted on 11/17/2012 5:15:51 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: RightOnline

I would rather just secede. Announce that we are establishing the kind of constitutional republic our founders intended and ALL government handouts would cease. Freedom loving productive people would flock in and the parasites would get outta Dodge in a hurry.


50 posted on 11/17/2012 5:15:56 PM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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