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Myself | 3-22-2013

Posted on 03/22/2013 12:52:54 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

Deep breath.

I am going to write this in the calmest way possible. I am not here to air out dirty laundry but just like my last post back in Jan about Obamacare and law enforcement officials and doctors...this one leaps another level.

I went to a doctor this morning for a follow up to an appointment I went to at the end of January. During my last appointment other than just getting some prescriptions refilled we went over some MRI results and talked about a different course of action regarding an injury.

This morning I show up for a follow up to see how the new scripts are going and what not...I get to the front desk and the doctor's assistant says to me "You have an outstanding balance of $75.00", I said no that is impossible...I pay everything up front for my appointments. I pay cash up front for any visit.

Then she lays it on me.

"Your doctor went 13 minutes over time last visit and you owe $75.00 for it."

I said like hell I do...I paid for a full visit last time like I do every time and why should I suddenly pay more?

Quote "As of January..and the change to the medical laws and rules and the "Affordable Health Care Act", we have to by law charge after 15 minutes for a separate appointment because the first 15 minutes are considered "Prescription Recheck". If anything goes over the 15 minutes it becomes "Therapeutic Visit". If the doctor does not account for his time with you he will be fined $600.00 and he must account for every single thing that goes on behind that door."

She then puts a 2013 medical code book and shows me that there were hundreds of pages of code they were still learning and that they were told to expect a new bigger book in December.

I was furious at the fact that there was no notice of this anywhere and why in the hell am I just being told this now and not when I left the office the last time?

The assistant said "The notices are on the door over there".......................the door to a closet that nobody reads really because it had about 17 pieces of different things written in various sized print. By law all the office has to do is post it but not tell the patients about it.

They have stopped accepting new patients..FOREVER. They have had to close another office they had 65 miles away because since the Newton shootings...there are landlords that do not want to have anything from neurologists to psychologists to psychiatrists (anything brain related) in their building in case "one of them snaps".

I was told to expect it to become much, much, much worse and that people are just not showing up for appointments any longer.

Not that it matters but this was for a neurologist who sees me for a fall from a 2 story house.

My employer doesn't offer health insurance...they can't afford to. So I am compensated more to make up for what they can as far as me handling my own medical care.

A $75.00 extra fee. If he didn't report it he would be brought up for medical fraud and the $600.00 fine would put him on a probation.

I hate typing about my own personal life like this but you know what...this is the kind of thing that needs to be known. My doctor said his hands are tied. He tries every route he can to avoid billing cash patients more and tries to do a discount but has been warned if he does that then he will be charged with fraud as well. That is why he stopped seeing new patients so he won't be shopped.

He said psychiatrists and psychologists are going through some serious problems right now and they are completely turning all cash only. No insurance at all.

My venting is over.


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1 posted on 03/22/2013 12:52:54 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

My mom got a letter from her doc 2 weeks ago saying he would need to charge more, and drop many patients... I paid it immediately to get her on the list. Obamacare is going to hurt a lot of people.


2 posted on 03/22/2013 12:55:46 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Crazy stuff is on the way.


3 posted on 03/22/2013 12:56:54 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Cash only. No insurance. No credit cards. No checks.

(avoid the hassles and the extra charges and just practice medicine without the government)


4 posted on 03/22/2013 12:57:16 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: My Favorite Headache

> My venting is over.

Au contraire, mon ami.

I fear the venting is just beginning.

If the wrong people get mad enough, there’s likely to be some ventilating of public office holders that voted for this abomination.


5 posted on 03/22/2013 12:57:49 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Vent as much as you need to, I’m sure we all learned something more about 0bamacare today. They are running doctors out of business an that is tragic. Who wants to go to school all of those years, rack up that kind of debt, take on all of these other issues, along with the potential for malpractice, etc, etc.,. We all better learn to take care of ourselves more...we are going to need it.

I cannot even begin to express my contempt for these politicians, certainly not in polite company.

I wish you well in your ongoing care. and thank you for the rant, it certainly is an eye opener and heads up.


6 posted on 03/22/2013 12:58:50 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

This, my FRiend, is only the beginning ... :/


7 posted on 03/22/2013 12:59:05 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Multiply your anger by about 300 Million and then we’ll see what happens in 2014 mid-terms.......


8 posted on 03/22/2013 12:59:12 PM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: My Favorite Headache
wow.

Get ready for a blackmarket/underground economy for medical services.

9 posted on 03/22/2013 12:59:36 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Westbrook
Au contraire, mon ami.


Lol.. looks like you saw my other post on the other thread ;)
10 posted on 03/22/2013 1:00:12 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: My Favorite Headache
My doctor said his hands are tied.

...they should be, this way he couldn't go any deeper in your wallet

11 posted on 03/22/2013 1:01:10 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: My Favorite Headache

You have every right to rant!!!!!!!
And I am sorry to say it will get worse.
My scripts went up, because of obamaCare, some scripts are no longer covered, premiums went up because of obamaCare,my husbands premiums went up and his coverage went down with some service no longer covered.
In 2014, when obamaCare if fully implemented.........there will be hell on earth here.
(I am also sorry your doctor is put in the position he is put in.......)


12 posted on 03/22/2013 1:01:59 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Confused. Why, if you are contracting privately with your Dr for services, are they telling you OCA regs apply? Or do you purchase pvt insurance on your own?


13 posted on 03/22/2013 1:02:22 PM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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To: My Favorite Headache

At my regularly scheduled checkup I had to wait 1 hr 10 minutes before I saw my doctor — this was not even in the lobby, it was in the receiving room. This did not include the 20 minutes early they wanted me to come in prior to the appointment.

Seething, and remembering something somebody told me before, I wrote out an invoice for $90, when paying my co-payment of $45 after the visit, I handed the administrator the $90 invoice.

Hilarity ensues ..... but I didn’t have to make my copayment.

Now I have to talk to them about the $2.47 they sent to collections from a prior visit.


14 posted on 03/22/2013 1:03:52 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: svcw

In 2014, USA will probably come crumbling down.. just as the Marxists wanted :/


15 posted on 03/22/2013 1:04:24 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri

> Lol.. looks like you saw my other post on the other thread ;)

Actually, I didn’t, but great minds do think alike.
:)


16 posted on 03/22/2013 1:05:14 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Prepare for more of the “Silly Season” insults to reason as more and more of these
unintelligible rules are written, offered under ‘guidance’,and enforced.

Under the new rules , your medical history is no longer your own ~ it belongs to the government.
Also , your personal medical history is just as safe and secure as is the infrastructure ,
until some ‘hacker’ cracks into the system.
Isn’t government control wonderful ? /sarc

Where were all the complaints and concerns when the Demorats advocated the British Healtcare System,
and/ or espoused the Canadian system of healthcare ?
Obviously overlooked by the bi-partisan media ..? /sarc


17 posted on 03/22/2013 1:05:53 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Not notifying patients in advance about billing changes like the one you described is a very poor practice and unfair to patients. Posting a notice where no one will read it is not adequate notification.

Soon millions of others will be impacted by the same stupid regulation and unfortunately NONE OF THEM WILL BLAME OBAMA even though this is the result of something called OBAMACARE.


18 posted on 03/22/2013 1:06:14 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
ok lets take a poll

How much are you paying for heath care insurance?

I was paying well over $5,000 a year last time I had COBRA and said they hell with this. (6 years ago)

Since then I have been paying cash, including for a broken arm for one child and an emergency room visit for myself and I still think I am about $20,000 ahead

If I get a catastrophic illness I do not expect anyone else to pay for it. I told the kids just dig a hole in the backyard and roll me in.

I am tired of playing this game.

19 posted on 03/22/2013 1:06:21 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: CondorFlight

Between DoctorYourself.com and Dr. Campbell’s Daily Dose, I’m managing okay. If I could just ditch the blood pressure drugs, I’d be free of it all. It’s sort of a tether I’d like to be rid of. Medicare’s been paying my annual office visit for a year or so; but I’d been paying it up to then. They gave me a “self-pay” discount, but not now. I liked it better when I paid and sure won’t keep them a minute more than absolutely necessary. - Now, the NP sits with a laptop and logs in everything about me. I’ve told her I don’t want all those fancy tests and x-rays; I pay a bit extra for thermograms instead of mammograms; can’t stand the mashing and prodding of mammograms. It’ll have to do; they can’t find everything with the best of tests.


20 posted on 03/22/2013 1:07:11 PM PDT by Twinkie (Straighten up and fly right!!)
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To: Westbrook

Amaizing.. 10 minutes apart even :O

Agreed, great minds think alike... seems like real Conservatives have some link... just wish we could get them all synced :p


21 posted on 03/22/2013 1:08:02 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: My Favorite Headache

On a daily basis I am in fear/anger of obamadeathcare. Vent all you need to. You are not alone.


22 posted on 03/22/2013 1:09:41 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: My Favorite Headache

They took a badly flawed system (American healthcare) and ground it into dust. It will only get worse in the next year and a half.


23 posted on 03/22/2013 1:09:47 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Nobody in our little family unit has even been to a doctor yet this year. We have the Rolls Royce of health insurance plans, and our baby is due for a check-up at the end of the month. I am so not looking forward to this, even though he’s in perfect health (thank God).


24 posted on 03/22/2013 1:10:19 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Westbrook

Don’t bet on it. People have become sheep. They’ll just go back to grazing and watching reality TV.


25 posted on 03/22/2013 1:11:03 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: Dysart

That’s what I’m wondering. The gov’t can micro manage Docs even if it’s not insurance related? If I were a DocI would have to do something to fight for what’s right other than retire early.


26 posted on 03/22/2013 1:12:45 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Westbrook
If the wrong people get mad enough, there’s likely to be some ventilating of public office holders that voted for this abomination.

Well, the Canadian system sucks but this sort of thing doesn't happen, and people don't lose their homes or go bankrupt because of medical bills. We like to say "yeah, no way I'm letting the Govt F me out of my freedom of choice." Fair enough, but the way I see it our Govt, lobbyists, legislators, regulators, insurance companies F us plenty... And WE'RE the ones who have to pay out the nose. (Sorry if that comment isn't adequately Republican-sounding, but I don't really think this has much at all to do with R or D.) New boss, old boss, and it all seems hunky dory 'til your kid is dying and you don't have insurance. (Or you DO have BCBS, same thing.)
27 posted on 03/22/2013 1:14:33 PM PDT by golux
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To: Fledermaus

> reality TV.

A contradiction in terms if ever there was one.

I pray that you’re wrong, but I fear that you may be right.


28 posted on 03/22/2013 1:14:45 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Fledermaus

Exactly.


29 posted on 03/22/2013 1:15:13 PM PDT by golux
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To: My Favorite Headache

What is the current cost estimate of implmenting Obamacare?

It was $1Trillion as advertised, but everyone forgets the “Government Rule of
10” which says that everything the government does will cost 10 times as much as originally estimated.

I thought I had heard somewhere that is was up to $6Trillion now


30 posted on 03/22/2013 1:16:11 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: CondorFlight

Many years ago, say 1978, I had a physician for a customer, good customer.

Un characteristically he got behind on his bill and I called him. He told me to visit his office, 20 miles away, and ask the nurse to pay me.

When out that way, I did just that. She apologized and showed me an empty cigar box. some body beat me to it that day. He charged cash and then paid cash. If you got there when the till, the cigar box, was empty ...... tough nookies.

Looks like the underground medical economy is going to blossom


31 posted on 03/22/2013 1:19:43 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Doogle

Often it isn’t the MD who has their hand in your wallet. It is the hospital or other organization that owns and runs the practice. The $ doesn’t even end up in the same hands; it goes back to the government, the oversight groups, the malpractice insurance policy,the certified providers of CMEU, the re-certification exams. Any that does go to the MD is then, of course taxed at the highest rate, state and Federal.

The clinicians are on the front lines of all this. They turf the confrontations to the mid-level employees because no one really wants to deal with the irate and stunned patient.

I won’t add our story just yet, as we are awaiting a yea-or-nay on a so-called Bridge Policy. Suffice to say, the underwriters are doing all they can to disqualify people. Our agent has horror stories (ours is one) where the underwriter consistently misinterprets a test or procedure, looking for some underlying extreme medical condition that will justify a higher premium or a disqualification. Suffice to say, if this policy is denied, my husband goes bare and pays the fine (we won’t have a refund coming, so IRS will have nothing to withhold) for 3 years until Medicare. I am considering dropping Part D, since I take no meds, it goes up 10%/year and if I need it in future and will be charged more as a punishment for not having been enrolled prior, so be it. I will likely come out even.

Every day, more people find out more about this monstrosity. In the end, no one will be insured because no one will be left to rape for the funding.


32 posted on 03/22/2013 1:19:57 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Dysart

My company moved everyone to contractor/per-Diem status. SOL.


33 posted on 03/22/2013 1:22:59 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Are you really surprised, wait until Jan first 2014 when your premium doubles, than you’ll be surprised.


34 posted on 03/22/2013 1:23:05 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Libtards don’t care if Obamacare fails. The next step will be single payer socialized medicine which is actually what they really want in the long run.


35 posted on 03/22/2013 1:23:42 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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” they are completely turning all cash only. No insurance at all.”

BING BING BING!!!

Here is where it will go. “Everyone” will have to pay insurance unless they are part of the great unwashed mass in which case they will get it for free and we will all be stuck with the same crappy service. While the rich will pay cash for their concierge medical service. 2 classes 1 for the rich and the politicians and 1 for the rest of us. Welcome to the USSA comrade!


36 posted on 03/22/2013 1:27:31 PM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
If he didn't report it he would be brought up for medical fraud and the $600.00 fine would put him on a probation.

My doctor said his hands are tied. He tries every route he can to avoid billing cash patients more and tries to do a discount but has been warned if he does that then he will be charged with fraud as well. That is why he stopped seeing new patients so he won't be shopped.

How many doctors are going to be willing to put up with that? How many will be able to comply even if they try?

I hate typing about my own personal life like this but you know what...this is the kind of thing that needs to be known.

Thank you for posting it. It is the kind of thing that should be known far and wide. A year from now I think it will be but the MSM is going to do everything it can to hide and downplay it.

37 posted on 03/22/2013 1:29:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

These anecdotes and definitely any letters need to be posted online and shared through Facebook and social media outlets. If needed, we need to organize to do it. We have to create a massive shift of public opinion in this country, and the people need to do it. The party definitely is not.


38 posted on 03/22/2013 1:29:51 PM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: My Favorite Headache

These anecdotes and definitely any letters need to be posted online and shared through Facebook and social media outlets. If needed, we need to organize to do it. We have to create a massive shift of public opinion in this country, and the people need to do it. The party definitely is not.


39 posted on 03/22/2013 1:30:24 PM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Yes, they said everything 100% must be electronic records as well and that if they kept just paper files only that that too would be a punishable offense. EVERYTHING has to be electronic. No and’s, if’s, or buts.


40 posted on 03/22/2013 1:32:11 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
yep and to think we were told it was a real solution. zer0care.
41 posted on 03/22/2013 1:33:15 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: My Favorite Headache; All

Well .. just to add to the headaches, my sister just called to tell me that when you reach 76, you are no longer eigible for CANCER TREATMENT.

Is this where you get the little pill and you’re told to go home and die ..??

You know why they want to get rid of the elderly don’t you ..?? Because they remember what the founding fathers taught about the Constitution .. they want the low information voters to ignore all that “old” stuff.


42 posted on 03/22/2013 1:33:21 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: CyberAnt

The Death Panels are the fix for SocSec and Medicare funding.
Each year cut off the life expectancy is huge in the projections.
Don’t expect to hear ANY politician mention that.


43 posted on 03/22/2013 1:34:50 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Sad to hear this is what it comes down to. Boils my blood.


44 posted on 03/22/2013 1:34:58 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Westbrook
.. some ventilating of public office holders that voted for this abomination

sooner = better

/.02

45 posted on 03/22/2013 1:37:43 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Red Badger
Multiply your anger by about 300 Million and then we’ll see what happens in 2014 mid-terms.......

The problem is that people are blaming insurance companies...not Obama, not Democrats. See other threads.

46 posted on 03/22/2013 1:44:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Do you have health insurance coverage? If so, what is your provider?


47 posted on 03/22/2013 1:47:43 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Twinkie
If I could just ditch the blood pressure drugs, I’d be free of it all.

Have your heard of this? Resperate [sic] -- not an endorsement, all I know is what's here, just ran into it browsing!

48 posted on 03/22/2013 1:47:54 PM PDT by maryz
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To: SueRae
I'm in the healthcare biz....my daughter is about to be working in the healthcare biz...And her future husband is going to be a trauma ortho surgeon.

Have no idea..what we all shall expect.

49 posted on 03/22/2013 1:48:41 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: Mr. K
Ha!!

About my sentiments..........

50 posted on 03/22/2013 1:53:34 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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