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Obama issues new executive orders against guns (While we weren't looking....)
The Washington Times ^ | August 29, 2013 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 09/02/2013 12:26:55 PM PDT by yoe

Edited on 09/02/2013 12:59:18 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

President Obama ordered two more executive actions Thursday to restrict guns, banning the re-importation of military surplus firearms to private entities and proposing a regulation that would close a loophole in background checks.

Also, the administration said it will deny requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the U.S. to private entities, with a few exceptions, such as for museums. Currently, when the U.S. provides military firearms to its allies, either as direct commercial sales or through the foreign military sales or military assistance programs, those firearms may not be imported back into the United States without U.S. government approval.


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To: Kip Russell
As bad as this order is, it should not affect the vast majority of surplus guns that are imported commercially. As I understand it, this only stops rifles that were sent by the US to its allies from coming back.

The US military rifle models available to the civilian market stopped with the Garand. The M14 and M16 can never be sold to civilians, even if converted to semi-automatic action. ("Once a machine gun, always a machine gun".) It specifically exempts the US gov't -- so those 87,000 Garands reported to be in storage in South Korea can still make their way back, eventually. The number of firearms effected fy this must be really, really, really small.

IMO, it's supposed to impress gun-grabbing liberals that he's actually doing something, which he is not. At worst, it's an attempt at "death by 1,000,000,000 paper cuts." (With 999,999,998 to go!)

Based on NICS numbers, Obama has been the best President for firearms sales in history. I think they're losing this one.

21 posted on 09/02/2013 1:02:09 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: TigersEye

“Neither of these two EOs is going to get anyone arrested.”

I understand. But the left keeps adding laws and rules and regulations, the end result of which is to make owning and carrying guns riskier. Their holy grail is to make it illegal to transfer a gun so you can’t leave them to your children or sell them to somebody. That way, eventually, they’ll either collect them all or make everybody a felon.


22 posted on 09/02/2013 1:05:59 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: yoe

Government by decree — something is very wrong with our nation.


23 posted on 09/02/2013 1:15:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Diogenesis

Maybe we can get the illegals to bring some guns with them, so they can sell the guns on the side of the highway leading to Sanctuary Cities


24 posted on 09/02/2013 1:19:50 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Sooth2222

I’ve always wanted an M14 (had a mini-14).. So, if I go back to the states, there is no way I can purchase one? :/


25 posted on 09/02/2013 1:24:31 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
I’ve always wanted an M14 (had a mini-14).. So, if I go back to the states, there is no way I can purchase one? :/

Not as such, no...but you can purchase a Springfield Armory M1A, which is essentially a semi-auto M14.

There might be a few full auto M14s floating about, but they'd probably go for something in excess of $20K at a guess.

26 posted on 09/02/2013 1:28:12 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: yoe; All
Thank you for referencing that article yoe.

Why did you indicate that Thomas Sowell wrote the article when the article indicates that Dave Boyer wrote it? Or do I have the wires crossed somewhere?

Mr. Boyer needs to understand that the Supreme Court officially clarified in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer that executive orders, which are not mentioned in the Constitution, do not have the force of law unless supported by Congress.

And since Congress is divided on gun issues (and everything else), such executive orders are pure theater imo. In other words, Obama is probably trying to make himself look like a king making edicts in the eyes of low-information voters.

27 posted on 09/02/2013 1:29:33 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Kip Russell

Semi would be fine with me.. Such great weapons for their time (and still can be.).. and semi is the ONLY way to go for accuracy.


28 posted on 09/02/2013 1:32:22 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Kip Russell
There might be a few full auto M14s floating about, but they'd probably go for something in excess of $20K at a guess.

And anyone that has fired a M14 on full auto can attest that it is not a heck of a lot of fun and just about impossible to hit anything. The cost of the ammo you just wasted has to hurt as well

If there was an upside to the M16, it was that it could be controlled on full auto.

29 posted on 09/02/2013 1:33:41 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Kip Russell

BTW, Welcome to FreeRepublic ;)


30 posted on 09/02/2013 1:35:45 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
Semi would be fine with me.. Such great weapons for their time (and still can be.).. and semi is the ONLY way to go for accuracy.

$1600-ish without extras at Gunbroker.

31 posted on 09/02/2013 1:38:04 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Bikkuri
BTW, Welcome to FreeRepublic ;)

Thanks!

32 posted on 09/02/2013 1:38:45 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Gen.Blather
What they’re trying to do is make what we have illegal so that we’re criminals. We may be armed, but if we use the gun it’s an excuse to arrest us. Even if it’s a bogus prosecution, any prosecution would bankrupt the typical individual.>

All the while refusing to enforce laws on the books before he came to the throne regarding illegal entry into this country and all of the associated laws that are broken by illegals working in the USA.

So if I understand this right - clown wants to infringe our GOD given rights (2nd Amendment) by making us criminals, but all at the same time turning a blind eye to the real CRIMINALS?
33 posted on 09/02/2013 1:39:03 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: doorgunner69

I hated the 3 round bursts on the AR15s, even.. kick wasn’t that bad.. but the range to target makes the biggest difference.. and with semi-auto (price not included), you keep your ammo much longer (so survive much longer).

Unless in training, and it was required, I always kept it on 1 shot.


34 posted on 09/02/2013 1:39:10 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: yoe
Sending this to my congresscritters:

Recently the president took executive action banning the re-importation of US military surplus firearms to private entities.

These firearms, primarily 1903 Springfields, M 1 Garands and M 1 Carbines were used by our Armed Forces to liberate hundreds of millions of people from tyranny.

They were then lent or given to many of the liberated countries to arm their militaries and guard their freedom.

When these countries no longer have use for these arms they are re-imported back to the US and sold to civilians through the CMP which was chartered by Congress in 1903 to promote firearm safety and marksmanship.

These arms are primarily purchased by collectors, target shooters and citizens that value their historical significance.

These arms do not end up on the street and are not the weapons of choice of street criminals or terrorists.

The obama regime has armed Mexican drug cartels and Chicago street gangs with modern weapons in a cynical plot to increase gun violence so as to create the atmosphere conducive to more draconian gun control laws.

The rationale for this executive action is to infringe on the 2nd Amendment and keep these arms out of the hands of the people that this regime fears most, the American Patriot.

DO NOT LET THIS STAND!

35 posted on 09/02/2013 1:40:05 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Cheerio

“So if I understand this right - clown wants to infringe our GOD given rights (2nd Amendment) by making us criminals, but all at the same time turning a blind eye to the real CRIMINALS? “

By Jove, you’ve got it!


36 posted on 09/02/2013 1:40:42 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Amendment10
In other words, Obama is probably trying to make himself look like a king making edicts in the eyes of low-information voters.

In that respect, it's working:

Mayors Against Illegal Guns celebrates the end of imported "Military Grade weapons"

37 posted on 09/02/2013 1:43:14 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: doorgunner69

BTW, 1 gun I would LOVE to shoot full-auto.. I believe it is called ‘mini’.. I think 2000 rounds per minute.. but I will probably never even see that in person in my lifetime :p

(BrrrrrP.... BrrrrrrrrP... Brrrrp {some target shredded into a billion pieces ;)} ) ;^D


38 posted on 09/02/2013 1:43:18 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
I hated the 3 round bursts on the AR15s, even.

I can see full auto on a rifle at very close range. House to house fighting, in other words.

Other than that...nope. Stick to semi-auto.

39 posted on 09/02/2013 1:45:52 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Bikkuri
Only fired the M16-A1 and it was full auto with no burst. Never fired a burst version, those came much later.

I could see the rationale though: it did not take but a bit over a second to dump a 20 round magazine, and the 30 round mags were in the future.

After years of firing the M14, the M16 seemed to have no recoil at all.

40 posted on 09/02/2013 1:46:15 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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