Posted on 09/28/2013 11:21:13 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
That’s good to hear.
Thanks for the summation. Smart man, that Gibbs.
It was unfamiliar to the cop. Attitude or not from the cop, he was entirely within his authority to ask him to remove it, both to better identify him and to make sure he was not hiding something dangerous underneath it.
I rode a Hog. Lots of times the cop said straight off to remove the helmet. Wasn't a big deal then, but if you need to wear your fez at all times so you are not embarrased in public do not expect any sympathy from this side -despite how much I detest arrogant LEOs.
Bloody hell. Does no one possess even rudimentary readng skills any more? I said "on the street." Cars travel on streets. Not sidewalks.
And yes, cops do stop people on the sidewalk all the time.
If that’s what you meant, how about rudimentary writing skills?
“And since most people admit to ‘driving’, they can be stopped and questioned at any time by the admission thereof. Including ‘on the street’. Which is where most cars are, by design.”
I’m not confusing with police officers with Department of Transportation personnel. And I’ve known of you and what the Sikh are long before most Americans had ever heard of them, trust me.
I do not have any problems with Sikhs in general. Nor would I ever condone the killing of any innocent, no matter what country or religion they claimed. Note I said "innocent".
Not that long ago, a group of six mooselimb males boarded a flight together and immediately caused all kinds of concerns, notably by sitting all together in a group and speaking loudly in an unfamiliar language. They also each demanded that the flight attendants provide them with seatbelt extensions even though they were of medium or thin build and had no obvious need for them. You can do a netsearch to get all the relevant info. After some more difficulties, they were removed from the aircraft and immediately filed a lawsuit (aided by the ACLU if I am not mistaken) and claimed racism against Islam because the airlines would not honor the customs of their religion.
I said nothing about the relative values of the Sikh religion and have twice now stated that I hold no negative views on it or the Sikhs in general, so your arguments are non-applicable and not relevant to My previous statements.
Being questioned on a traffic stop is not a religious activity, so you can be embarrassed on your own time and about something halfway relevant to what you seem to be professing.
As far as hatred and bigotry, look in the mirror Barak.
I have nothing against most religions in general, least of all Christians of all denominations, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, Shinto, or even, again, against Sikhs.
You want to see real hatred and bigotry, talk to any member of Holder's Black P. Party, elite liberal snobs in particular, or any muzzie when you identify yourself as a Jew.
A 3 1/2 inch pocketknife is considered illegal these days, and can easily be concealed in a motorcycle helmet. Never hesitated when the copper told Me to remove it.
Personal opinions are not valid legal arguments. Hats of all sorts are removeable apparel and no one should have any problem when asked to remove it. If you think it is a religious article necessary to the practice of your particular religion, you are free to wear it in your church, synagogue, temple, or moonlit-granite circle to your heart's content.
If I am playing the part of Moses in a play and to keep the portrayal strong between acts I decide to step outside for a breath of fresh air while wearing the robe and headgear along with the six-foot staff, I am not surprised when a cop tells Me to drop the staff and take off the robe and funny hat. It is not customary to be wearing unfamiliar religious garb while walking today's city streets.
If I carry a six-foot staff and sharpened dagger as part of My religion, I do not become insulted when a LEO tells Me to 'lose the stick and knife, pal!'
I doubt that you would be applauding Me on those same grounds.
Driving a vehicle is not part of any religious customs I am aware of. Perhaps the island Cargo Cult, though.
It may not be "custom" but it is the law. No folding blade over 3 1/2 inches and no nonfolding blade over 2 inches. Case law, with precedents.
You are being clever by half and you protest too much.
I did read your other postings. Including the one where you quote your profile. You said basically, if you come here, or are already here, abide by our “customs” or leave. And exactly what “custom” is it that you want him to follow? Your particular religious customs? Or the Sikh custom of this man to wear a turban for religious reasons? Or the American custom of deliberately mocking and making demeaning statements to him by authorities? Or your custom of love it or leave it? Which customs do you mean?
I say BS. You are a bigot against those in this country that don’t “look” like you or don’t “act” like you or don’t follow your “ways”, whatever those are. At least that is what you claim your profile says. You may deny it but your profile language is more powerful proof to me than any denial by you after the fact.
I see troubling results coming for this country as a consequence.
Count on them selecting by a huge percentage cases against the Christian religion. They continually seem to argue that "Separation of Church and State" means "No Christian symbols or speech allowed".
Thank you for stating more fully what I was trying to say. Despite the court's comments, the presiding judge is indeed the ultimate authority in his own little fiefdom and so long as he adjudicates the law fairly he can do so in any manner he sees fit.
I may not respect a particular judge or the rulings he hands down, but I still take off the hat, don't slouch, try to be polite, and always answer "Yes, your Honor" and "No, your Honor" when addressed.
Or a Shriner / Freemason. Dunno if they still wear a fez, but somehow I have difficulty imagining one being unwilling to remove it when requested.
Justice is part of God’s integrity.
After the Tower of Babel, national governance was an institution provided by God for believer and unbeliever alike.
Old Testament theology provides volumes on the basic element of justice, courts, and a judicial system to enforce the law.
Those who seek justice independent of God, have a fundamental problem with righteousness. Those who seek righteousness independent of God have a fundamental problem with Justice (e.g. Islam).
“Serious? You must carry a much higher grade of ball point pen than I do.”
I’m sure I do.
Sure I would. Unless you are doing something threatening with them, there is no reason any cop should have anything to say about it. Apparently police these days are minimally trained in what constitutes legitimate Constitutional law.
Back when I was a teen, we had rented farm acreage that was somewhat remote from the family farm acreage, so I would routinely drive the tractor from one site to the other to "bush-hog" the pastures. When bush-hogging, I carried a .22 revolver loaded with rat shot (for snakes). Worn in a holster, out in the open. I often stopped in at the local grocery (which I had to drive past) for a quick soft drink. Never even thought about removing the gun, and never got it commented on. Of course, the fact that the store owner was a former Marine "might" have had something to do with that.
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