Posted on 10/10/2013 7:43:59 PM PDT by barmag25
I’m not a big Buchanan fan, but that’s absurd....
Michigan would split...red state West Michigan, blue state....LanDetArbor...
I hope it is. Buchanan is vocally a “Euroskeptic”, but I think he knows that the USA is the real bulwark against the EU actually gaining real hard power.
The EU’s problem is the EU.....period. The US would be stronger is about 3,4,5 conservative states seceeded from liberal states - meanwhile, the Europe will actually be weaker if the EU somehow holds itself together....because their system is simply unworkable.
Besides, world power is not a zero sum game, including economic power.
sorry for the two or three typos in previous post....I’m tired.....should’ve put the keyboard up twenty minutes ago....
Secession might provide temporary relief from Liberalism, but it follows you wherever you go.
Liberalism is a product of politics. Politicians can’t help but legislate money & privileges to their constituents to get reelected. Ever more legislation, passed year after year, cannot help but create more entitlements for some at the expense of others. More & more government is the only way a legislator can do his job. Big government & entitlements are the hallmarks of Liberalism.
Too, conservatives do not necessarily have conservative children. The most conservative person I know has a gay daughter. His other 3 kids are rock solid conservative. Some people just don’t have the capacity to be responsible for themselves - they have to be carried by society. If they are in your family, will you put them on a bus to San Francisco?
In an ideal society there would be a fixed set of laws, rarely amended. New laws would be even more rare. Government at the federal & state level would be minimal. The Feds would play no part in health, education, welfare, housing, etc. Government interference in interstate commerce, communication, pollution - those things that span multiple states - would be limited to settling disputes & providing advice.
I know this is not a perfect prescription. It’s a complicated system to govern minimally & impartially. No nation has ever done it. Our species may be incapable of sustained conservative government.
So, conservative secessionists can go create all the new states & nations they want, but if politics (human weakness) rather than set laws governs the country, then Liberalism is just around the corner.
The EU put an unworkable system in place deliberately in order to make it palatable to push the member states to surrender their sovereignty. They do have a backup system waiting in the wings; it won’t come to any good, but it is a power play.
I think it is not secession but expulsion that is the issue.
I would be less surprised to to see the Blue States try and expel the Red ones. In fact I work with some very left wing fools who are fond of making the argument for expulsion. Interestingly enough they get the Constitutional issue involved. Since the Civil War it is illegal for States to secede but there is no prohibition against expulsion.
The argument they make goes like this
Many Red States (Texas for example) receive more in Federal money than they pay in. If they expel Texas and the other red States then there is actually more Federal money for liberal programs.
The problem is the way they figure the amount of Federal money. It includes things like expenditures on military bases, military payroll and the purchase of things like fighter planes that are made in Ft. Worth. These are not generally items that are considered a subsidy in any sense except liberal math.
It also includes payments to various welfare recipients which should the then Republic of Texas cease to pay would happily move legally or otherwise to a Blues State and the Republic of Texas might be glad to see them go. Texas might even facilitate the immigration process.
I tried pointing this out to a couple of leftist but they didn’t understand
Maine? Why do you mention Maine? True, it’s a welfare state, but we have a TEA party guy as governor and, with a third party candidate in the race, he has an even chance of being re-elected.
Our gun rights in Maine, a mostly rural state, are as stong as those in Texas, except we have open carry. In the Second Amendment arena, Maine is nothing like California or New York (thankfully).
We can’t get one red state governor to say “If it was up to me, nobody would sign up.” Just give a little push.
I’ve never really understood the frothing-at-the-mouth Buchanan-haters around here. I’m guessing they’re the more establishment GOP, party hack types.
Who are these wizards behind the curtain you refer to as “they’ - who can apparently defy gravity, reality, economics, and history????
Let the RED Commies secede.
Here's a list of states where residents have filed secession petitions in recent days:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Thanks for the tip.
You have to go back to the Founders' idea of who should vote ...
... No nonsense about picture ID or whatever ...
Modernized, it would be, roughly, those who net-contribute can vote. The rest not.
It's a conflict of interest for welfare recipients to be voting.
As I understand it, Maine has one built-in defense against Obamunists. Any stupid POS that lives there expecting others to tend to them probably won’t survive the first winter...
States ought to confiscate illegally held Federal property within their borders; national forests, national parks, etc.
“They” are the elite politicians behind the European Union. Usually those in high places that the press has dubbed a “Europhile”. Examples are people such as Guy Verhofstadt and Jean-Claude Juncker, and in the past people like Franz Josef Strauss.
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