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Ancient DNA Links Native Americans to Europe
Science Magazine ^ | 11/5/13 | Michael Balter

Posted on 11/07/2013 8:52:57 AM PST by ek_hornbeck

SANTA FE—Where did the first Americans come from? Most researchers agree that Paleoamericans moved across the Bering Land Bridge from Asia sometime before 15,000 years ago, suggesting roots in East Asia. But just where the source populations arose has long been a mystery.

Now comes a surprising twist, from the complete nuclear genome of a Siberian boy who died 24,000 years ago—the oldest complete genome of a modern human sequenced to date. His DNA shows close ties to those of today's Native Americans. Yet he apparently descended not from East Asians, but from people who had lived in Europe or western Asia. The finding suggests that about a third of the ancestry of today's Native Americans can be traced to "western Eurasia," with the other two-thirds coming from eastern Asia, according to a talk at a meeting* here by ancient DNA expert Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen. It also implies that traces of European ancestry previously detected in modern Native Americans do not come solely from mixing with European colonists, as most scientists had assumed, but have much deeper roots.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanindians; americans; ancient; dna; europe; european; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; links; native; nativeamerican; nativeamericans; siberian
This explains the European-like features of Kennewick man, and of some extant Indian tribes.
1 posted on 11/07/2013 8:52:57 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

There is an ancient tribe in Japan that has very Caucasian features. Did they come from the west or did they evolve their “unasian” looks independently? How knows.

One theory is that this is the people that made their way to America, probably in boats.


2 posted on 11/07/2013 8:57:45 AM PST by DManA
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To: ek_hornbeck

Maybe they sailed there in Noah’s Ark ...with all the Kinds

LOL


3 posted on 11/07/2013 9:00:05 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOP warnings')
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To: ek_hornbeck

Anyone ever consider that DNA links Europe to Native Americans and they have it backwards? Native Americans didn’t come from Europe. Europeans came from Native Americans. This has been my contention all along. They are doing history backwards.


4 posted on 11/07/2013 9:02:29 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Grant Money is forever. All you need is an opinion. If you differ from your buddy scientist..all the better...you both get Grant Money.


5 posted on 11/07/2013 9:03:00 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: MestaMachine

The archaeological record in Europe is 10x as old as that of North America.

Cool idea, though


6 posted on 11/07/2013 9:03:50 AM PST by warchild9
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To: ek_hornbeck

We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi. We’re not Spartans. We’re Americans, with a capital ‘A’, huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts!

-John Winger


7 posted on 11/07/2013 9:04:15 AM PST by babble-on
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To: ek_hornbeck
Ooh - got a Nez Perce buddy. I'm going to tell him he's French.

And run.

8 posted on 11/07/2013 9:06:10 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: ek_hornbeck

Western Asia is Turkey.

Sounds like a lot of Istanbul to me.


9 posted on 11/07/2013 9:08:09 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.)))
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To: ek_hornbeck

Who really cares? Will this sublimate American Indians now into that hated class of European Origin White Anglo Saxons?

Will it take away their special sovereignty that allows them to steal from Americans via their gambling reservations?

Will it change their preferential treatment in most any government consideration?

[I am 1/16 Cherokee, BTW. but that’s not good enough to be ‘made’ in the Indian Mafia]


10 posted on 11/07/2013 9:09:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: DManA

They are the Ainu, the original inhabitants of Japan and they probably descended from siberians. Many of the original Ainu had red hair. The population is now largely mixed with the East Asians who subsequently settled Japan.


11 posted on 11/07/2013 9:09:54 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: MestaMachine

That’s my thought as well. Eastern Native Americans look a lot like Europeans while Western Native Americans appear more Oriental. They originated here.


12 posted on 11/07/2013 9:10:37 AM PST by vortec94
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To: warchild9

They have ignore North Ameica for years because they simply accepted the theory that this country and continent were settled from without. I never accepted that premise and I don’t accept it now. Archaeology in North America has been lacking and still, as of now, we are the undiscovered country. Just watch. There are more than a few surprises awaiting those who accept theories with no basis in fact and the Bering Bridge was one of them.


13 posted on 11/07/2013 9:12:06 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: babble-on

Don’t tell ME you didn’t cry when Ol’ Yeller died.


14 posted on 11/07/2013 9:12:26 AM PST by DManA
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To: Gaffer

1/32nd was good enough for the Mashantucket Pequots of Connecticut and they would still give you a preference in hiring and promotion if you went to work for them. If they had’n’t screwed to pooch and driven Foxwoods Casino into the ground so nobody is getting hired or promoted.


15 posted on 11/07/2013 9:13:46 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: ek_hornbeck
Guess that explains this:


16 posted on 11/07/2013 9:19:00 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: Billthedrill

Actually a whole lot of Amerinds have french in them - the voyageurs did not bring their wives along unlike he English. Made the cultures get along much better. French were pretty sturdy folk back then. Still are in Quebec. See NHL.


17 posted on 11/07/2013 9:27:09 AM PST by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: DManA
"One theory is that this is the people that made their way to America, probably in boats."

I'm glad you added that "probably in boats" part - don't think they had direct flights back then.............

18 posted on 11/07/2013 9:31:21 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: vortec94
Many notable Eastern US Indians may look a little European to you. That is because during that era, English/French had already sprinkled there DNA into the pool. Plus, some believe that Northern Europeans may have co-mingled 1K years ago.
What interests me is that the oldest Archaeological sites are in the southern most part of South America....many state that those people may have come from the South Pacific. Most ancient Indian or Siberian American (to be PC consistent) evidence is at the bottom of the ocean as Indians did not recycle enough and the climate changed.
19 posted on 11/07/2013 9:32:05 AM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids (A rational question....Who won the Cold War?)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Archeologists have finally revealed what Asians of European ancestry who later migrated to America looked like!

20 posted on 11/07/2013 9:42:39 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Psalm 73

As opposed to coming through Alaska and Canada through a gap in the continental glaciers, as we were all taught.


21 posted on 11/07/2013 9:43:07 AM PST by DManA
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
There were Caucasian populations in eastern Asia into historical times, e.g., the Tarim Basin mummies, who had European features and wore clothing similar to what was worn in neolithic Europe. The Tocharian languages, of the same Indo-European language family as English and Latin, were spoken in parts of western China until around 900 AD. There are still some instances of light eyed and brown or blond haired people, not of Russian origin, in western China, Mongolia, and the Central Asian republics formerly parts of the Soviet Union.

If there were European-like people in eastern Asia in prehistoric times and a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska, as many suppose, they could have used this land bridge to migrate into the Americas as did those of Mongolian background. This may be more plausible than the suggestion that western Europeans, possibly like the Basques, migrated across the Atlantic via small boats.

22 posted on 11/07/2013 9:51:35 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: ek_hornbeck

Google “Solutrean”


23 posted on 11/07/2013 9:59:12 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: MestaMachine

While there is little doubt neat things are concealed near—or beneath—the Bering Strait, they’re pretty much inaccessible.

I’ve been there, and can assure you nobody’s going to find much evidence of anything other than fog and ice for quite a long time.


24 posted on 11/07/2013 10:06:19 AM PST by warchild9
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To: sickoflibs

I’m sure that a lot of Mormons were disappointed to find out that this study didn’t find any Middle Eastern ancestry among American Indians (since they make the ridiculous claim that American Indians are actually one of the “Lost Tribes” or somesuch)!


25 posted on 11/07/2013 10:09:45 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: MestaMachine

According to a book I’m currently reading (Invented Knowledge by Ronald Fritze), the Clovis culture idea that most paleontologists and those sorts of people believe (the first Americans came over about 12000-14000 years ago) is false. Bone fragments indicate earlier people by thousands of years.


26 posted on 11/07/2013 10:13:54 AM PST by driftless2
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To: MestaMachine
Anyone ever consider that DNA links Europe to Native Americans and they have it backwards? Native Americans didn’t come from Europe. Europeans came from Native Americans.

Since the oldest human skeletons from Europe predate the oldest from the Americas by tens of thousands of years, this doesn't sound very plausible.

27 posted on 11/07/2013 10:13:57 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

So are Indians that have blond hair and blue eyes offended by the team name Redskins?


28 posted on 11/07/2013 10:15:36 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Gaffer

You’re right, politically this is irrelevant. I posted it because it was interesting, not because I thought that this information would help eliminate all of the Federal perks that Indians get.


29 posted on 11/07/2013 10:16:38 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: DManA

You are speaking of the Ainu who were the original inhabitants of Japan before the invasions from China over two milenia ago. Yes they were/are caucasians..


30 posted on 11/07/2013 10:58:54 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: DManA
"As opposed to...."

I know - I was just being a smart-ass.......

31 posted on 11/07/2013 11:26:23 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: ek_hornbeck

when my siblings and I used to ask our parents “where were we from” my dad would say “we are all mongrels”


32 posted on 11/07/2013 12:08:49 PM PST by Wuli
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To: onedoug

ping


33 posted on 11/07/2013 1:03:15 PM PST by windcliff
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To: ek_hornbeck

It’s more plausible than we all showed up from Africa one day when Africa hasn’t yet fully evolved as of one second ago.
Has there ever been a theory accepted as fact for years that has not had to be ‘rethought’?


34 posted on 11/07/2013 2:35:49 PM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

There is no such thing as a “native American”.


35 posted on 11/07/2013 2:36:36 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ek_hornbeck; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

Thanks ek_hornbeck.

36 posted on 11/07/2013 8:21:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: bunkerhill7

Why did Constantinople get the works?


37 posted on 11/07/2013 8:25:56 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: muir_redwoods; DManA
Ainu? You might consider THEIR likely ancestors, the JOMON ...
38 posted on 11/07/2013 8:55:16 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (2C7:14 If my people..shall humble themselves and pray..I will hear from heaven..and heal their land.)
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To: MestaMachine

The smart ones left millennia ago; only the morons and Democrat-equivs stayed in Africa.


39 posted on 11/08/2013 1:21:10 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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Yeah, they were Vikings.


40 posted on 11/08/2013 1:26:34 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Conservapedia doesn’t give much information but does indicate that the Ainu predate the Jomon period. Who knows?

http://www.conservapedia.com/Ainu


41 posted on 11/08/2013 2:58:55 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Gaffer
1/16 is good enough for the Cherokee if you can prove it, and proving it involves having a direct ancestor listed on either the Guion Miller roll if Eastern Cherokee or the Dawes roll if Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. Legendary ancestry doesn't cut it and sometimes blood ties don't if your ancestors applied and show up on the rolls as denied, usually due to having lived apart from the tribe for too long. I've got seven on the Guion Miller roll, a former chief is a third cousin, but would not ever be accepted into the tribe because the applications of those seven were denied, they'd lived apart from the tribe and intermarried among whites for over a century.
42 posted on 11/08/2013 3:24:49 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Wallace T.

Can’t say that. I got beat up on FR, awhile back, for suggesting something similar.


43 posted on 11/08/2013 10:22:02 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: muir_redwoods
Conservapedia doesn’t give much information but does indicate that the Ainu predate the Jomon period.

Hmmm, oddly enough, most everything I've run across on the subject indicates Jomon as precursors of the Ainu but like you say, who knows. There may be some political and/or cultural issues involved as well.

44 posted on 11/08/2013 8:35:13 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (2C7:14 If my people..shall humble themselves and pray..I will hear from heaven..and heal their land.)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

Excellent point!!! I marvel at the range of knowledge I find on FR. Been around for a while but have noticed a general change in the level of discourse. Much briefer and much more crude and base. Kinda like our society.


45 posted on 11/10/2013 6:26:39 AM PST by vortec94
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To: vortec94

Do you actually expect anything above a third grade level from a guy with my screen name


46 posted on 11/10/2013 8:27:13 AM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids (A rational question....Who won the Cold War?)
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