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'Vikings' Portrays Crucifixion as Normal Church Punishment for Apostates
NewsBusters ^ | April 4, 2014 | P.J. Gladnick

Posted on 04/04/2014 7:19:32 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

Your humble correspondent is a fan of the History Channel show, "Vikings." However, its historical accuracy leaves something to be desired to the extent that a week ago I posted a thread at IMDB, Things I Learned While Watching 'Vikings', which humorously mocked such inaccuracies as well as anachronisms on the show. Along with noticing that Rollo wore L.A. Ink type tattoos, I also took note of a completely unhistorical type of punishment meted out to the apostate monk Athelstan: "The Church punished apostate monks by crucifying them and doing their best to make them appear like Jesus including a crown of thorns and a lance in the side."

As a history buff, I could recall of no instance in which the Church punished apostasy by crucifixion. Well, several websites researched that subject and found it not only to be completely unhistorical but also absurd. A.J. Delgado even contacted a well-known medieval history professor and got this response:

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: historychannel; thevikings; vikings
Also laughable on that show is that a Viking chick claimed to have something called a "boyfriend." When I heard that I almost expected to hear the tune "My Boyfriend's Back" being played.
1 posted on 04/04/2014 7:19:32 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

The show must have hired some of 0bama’s retread writers this season. The story has gone awry.


2 posted on 04/04/2014 7:24:39 AM PDT by shove_it (my real nickname is Otter)
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To: PJ-Comix

Those Viking chicks are hot, though.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 7:25:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: PJ-Comix
the History Channel
History Channel? You mean the Pawn Shop Channel.
4 posted on 04/04/2014 7:25:25 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yep. That’s what I’ve learned.


5 posted on 04/04/2014 7:26:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Damn right!


6 posted on 04/04/2014 7:35:40 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: PJ-Comix

You give your Viking wife a compliment and she stabs you in the eye and some guy cuts off your head.
Your Viking neighbor invites your company to go on a fishing trip, and then he locks your employees in the barn and burns them up.
The Vikings.....don’t go to their parties.


7 posted on 04/04/2014 7:38:08 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: PJ-Comix
Watching Vikings for historical accuracy is like watching David Letterman for laughs; Occasionally it is there, but you can't depend on it.

Think of this also: They both will be finished soon.

8 posted on 04/04/2014 7:38:14 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Tax entertainment.

That will get the left's attention.

9 posted on 04/04/2014 7:41:26 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: PJ-Comix

it was a Roman Empire thing and pre-Christian at that


10 posted on 04/04/2014 7:49:51 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
GOLD SILVER BRONZE - Clockwise from the top.

11 posted on 04/04/2014 7:50:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: blueunicorn6

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/brilliant.wav


12 posted on 04/04/2014 7:51:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: PJ-Comix

"Crucifixion?"
"Yes."
"Good...Out of the door....line on the left, one cross each."

13 posted on 04/04/2014 7:54:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PJ-Comix

Ever notice, in the movie KING ARTHUR (2004) how those “evil” monks are torturing pagans to force them to become Chrisitans?

Never get your religious beliefs or historical learning from the movies.


14 posted on 04/04/2014 7:56:26 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: PJ-Comix
It's not a documentary, that much is obvious.
It's entertainment, loosely based on the myth of the Vikings.

15 posted on 04/04/2014 7:57:04 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: BenLurkin

The Bronze turned into a MILF last night.


16 posted on 04/04/2014 7:59:07 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (ObamaCare unsubsidized PAID Enrollment Prediction: 66,666)
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To: PJ-Comix

I don’t watch it for historical value. Although the crucifixion scene was kind a bizarre, I watch it for pure entertainment value. And it is great from that perspective. There is so much going on in one hour, you can’t help but be entertained. Great show.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 8:26:29 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: PJ-Comix

Yeh the boyfriend thing was a stretch but c’mon its a great show. Its entertainment not historical fact.


18 posted on 04/04/2014 8:54:27 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Although, I watch almost no drama on TV, I watched this series last year because I thought I would learn some history. The only reason, I think, that I did not give up on it when it veered off into stupid stuff was that the lead male actor looks very much like my deceased son.

There is so much history that could have been done well here, but they just had to junk it up. Will not be watching this year.


19 posted on 04/04/2014 8:54:41 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: BenLurkin

Painted lips, eye and face make-up, and plucked eyebrows. Viking women were just like todays women.


20 posted on 04/04/2014 9:00:03 AM PDT by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane')
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To: PJ-Comix

Say what you will,
What I’ve taken from this show is my new Smith and Wesson.
A Battle axe made by the arms company.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 9:17:09 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: PJ-Comix

Jayzus! people, lighten up and enjoy an exciting TV series containing enough realism, plot and good acting to put it into the top ten of all programs watched on Thursday nights.

It is obvious that a good deal of research has gone into the series, nitpicking aside, and before Freepers rail on about the Church not crucifying apostates, be happy that the History Channel isn’t doing a series about the Inquisition or Puritan witch burning or the religious motivations behind the 30 Years War. Believe me, Christian history, like the history of any religion, will net you enough blood, gore and sadism to keep your stomach empty for a month.


22 posted on 04/04/2014 9:23:41 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Its entertainment not historical fact.

+1. I think the show's producers have achieved a balance between entertainment and historical fact. Let's face it, for the Average Joe, life really sucked back in those days. Famine, pestilence, constant wars, infant mortality @ 50%...makes for great entertainment, doesn't it?

23 posted on 04/04/2014 9:26:31 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Thanks for the info-- Hell, at least they don't have the helmets with the HORNS on them -- like in the commercial that aired DURING the Vikings program last night, for GEICO.

Showed Vikings wearing horned helmets, LOL.

PS: I happen to like the show!! (better than the usual drivel on the History channel, except for Pawn Stars).

Maybe this movie was more accurate??


24 posted on 04/04/2014 9:28:20 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: BenLurkin

You got that EXACTLY right!! (I value DH’s opinion on the women).


25 posted on 04/04/2014 9:28:58 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: blueunicorn6

I am of Norwegian ancestry, we females don’t fool around when it comes to male perfidy.

I told DH to carefully watch that scene VERY carefully (rolled it back). Because if he ever decides to cheat...


26 posted on 04/04/2014 9:30:33 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

The Puritans were burning witches?

I know that burning alive was common among American Indians, but I don’t think whites were using it.


27 posted on 04/04/2014 10:36:47 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Its entertainment not historical fact.”

Agreed. I call it Viking soap opera.


28 posted on 04/04/2014 10:51:20 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: ansel12

The Puritans were burning witches?

************

In Massachusetts execution was carried out by hanging.

According to this article, hanging was the penalty in England during the Puritan ascendancy as well. An interesting read, but I can’t vouch for its accuracy. “English law with regards to handling witchcraft cases differed from the rest of Europe. Torture was illegal and witches in England were not tried for heresy but for the act of maleficium, or evil deeds, and were not therefore liable to be burned at the stake but hung [sic] instead.”

http://thecargoculte.com/archives/1321


29 posted on 04/04/2014 11:37:29 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Night Hides Not

I like it that they all look dirty most of the time and their clothes are not spectacular. More realistic of the grimey way life really was.


30 posted on 04/04/2014 12:58:57 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Psalm 144
I think there were a few burnings in England and maybe more in Scotland, but it was definitely more common on the Continent, Germany in particular.

If you want torture, though, read what happened after the Anabaptist Munster Rebellion was put down.

31 posted on 04/04/2014 1:13:21 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: kickstart

Whenever the characters start to get jiggy I cant help but think: “How bad must have the real Vikings smelled?”


32 posted on 04/04/2014 1:17:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Did someone say "Battle-Axe?"


33 posted on 04/04/2014 1:23:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; Yollopoliuhqui; Psalm 144

The point is, there was no witch burning in America by the Puritans.

In the New World, burning alive was limited to practitioners of Native American religions, who among other victims, also burned witches.

Indians burning witches, that doesn’t get mentioned much.


34 posted on 04/04/2014 1:25:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: dfwgator

Superb movie.

Just “Look on the bright side of life...”


35 posted on 04/04/2014 1:34:15 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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My understanding is that the idea for the character for Athelstan came after reading two accounts in the sagas and Saxon records of prior priests kidnapped by Vikings, assimilated in their society and that later went raiding with them.
One of them was captured, and crucified for being an apostate, as was written in the records
So it actually happened and they made a movie about it.

What’s the OP complaining about? That it doesnt fit his world view of Christians?


36 posted on 04/04/2014 6:14:39 PM PDT by Toughluck_freeper
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To: Toughluck_freeper

The claim is what you read, do you have a source that contradicts it?


37 posted on 04/04/2014 10:49:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: PJ-Comix

Crucifixion? Tempting, but no.


38 posted on 04/04/2014 10:57:58 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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