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Rand Paulís Hostile Takeover of the Republican Party Is Getting More Hostile
New York Magazine ^ | April 10, 2014 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 04/10/2014 9:52:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Republicans, I come in peace.

Until very recently, Rand Paul’s project of insinuating himself comfortably within the Republican Party, and positioning himself as a plausible presidential nominee, had gone along with remarkable ease. Yes, the author of his campaign book turned out to be an unreconstructed neo-Confederate. That was a speed bump. (Who among us has not entrusted the explication of his worldview to a man who has cheered on the assassination of President Lincoln?) Paul had staged a masterful piece of political theater with his marathon Senate speech denouncing the Obama administration’s drone policy. He has assembled a top-tier campaign apparatus. As recently as January, The Atlantic’s Peter Beinart tabbed him the Party’s 2016 frontrunner.

But now the war to stop Paul has been joined. Paul may overcome the resistance, or he may not. What the struggle shows is the sheer audacity of his project. It is hard to think of a candidate with ideas as heterodox as those Paul has successfully implanted within a major party. Political parties are vast conglomerations that move glacially across the ideological spectrum. Paul is attempting an immediate, totalistic transformation of Republican foreign policy.

Paul has seized upon a moment of flux and confusion that is not uncommon for a party out of power. Republican anti-interventionism flowered briefly under the Clinton presidency, and a similar movement has sprung up under President Obama. Partisans on both sides distrust the use of power far more when they loathe the president who is using it. The drone debate displayed Paul under optimal conditions, when he could harness the fear coursing through the right — which had previously expressed itself in the form of such paranoid conceptions as death panels, FEMA camps, and feverish muttering about the abnegation of the Constitution — into the service of his foreign policy worldview.

At the same time, the Party’s ideological geography has not changed nearly as much as it may have appeared. Hawks remain firmly in control of the commanding heights. The neoconservatism of the Bush administration may have run aground in Iraq, but conservative discontent with Bush mostly dissolved into diffuse complaints about big government and overspending. The Republican candidates that have followed Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney, both ran as unapologetic hawks. (Romney titled his campaign biography No Apology.) The House Republican budget proposes a $483 billion increase in military spending over the next decade. Bush-era foreign-policymaking retains enough prestige within the Party that the cachet and intellectual tutelage of Don Rumsfeld is still in demand. As Robert Costa reported recently, Rumsfeld “has been courted by several potential candidates and plans to meet with [Ted] Cruz.” Yes — there is a competition to woo one of the most flamboyantly disastrous policymakers in the history of the United States.

Something is happening and you don't know what it is, do you, Alex Jones.

Paul has approached American politics from the diametric pole. In 2009, Alex Jones, asked him, “You're basically what I would call a chip off the old block. Your policies are basically identical to your father, correct?” To which Paul replied, "I'd say we'd be very very similar. We might present the message sometimes differently ... I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary.”

Two things stand out about this exchange. The first is that Paul was talking to Alex Jones at all. Jones is a full-out conspiracy theorist — including, but by no means limited to, being a 9/11 Truther. (The full derangement of Jones’s worldview is difficult to summarize; Michelle Goldberg’s 2009 profile captures it.) Paul has actually continued to speak with Jones congenially.

The second noteworthy thing about this exchange was that Paul was openly describing his own infiltration plot. Paul has since worked to carefully distance himself from his father, delivering speeches at comfortably orthodox Republican venues like the Heritage Foundation, where he represented his thinking as just a slight tweak on the good old Republican line. "I am a realist, not a neoconservative, nor an isolationist," he declared. “Reagan’s foreign policy was much closer to what I am advocating than what we have today.” Why would anybody believe him when he had already told Jones, in a you-do-know-people-can-hear-the-radio moment, that he did subscribe to his father’s views but planned to smuggle them into the Party under a more appealing package?

This won't be a problem unless Dick Cheney somehow holds grudges.

It is acceptable, and in some ways politically beneficial, for a Republican candidate to harbor irrational suspicions about Barack Obama. Harboring irrational suspicions about Republicans is another thing. Earlier this week, David Corn, who appears to possess incriminating video of everybody in America, produced videos of Paul in 2008 and 2009, in which he attributed Dick Cheney’s support for the Iraq invasion to his connections to Halliburton. “[Y]ou know, a couple hundred million dollars later Dick Cheney earns from Halliburton, he comes back into government. Now Halliburton's got a billion-dollar no-bid contract in Iraq,” Paul mused in 2008. And, “Dick Cheney then goes to work for Halliburton. Makes hundreds of millions of dollars, their CEO. Next thing you know, he's back in government and it's a good idea to go into Iraq,” he said in 2009.

The best you can say about Paul’s account of Cheney is that it’s incomplete and laden with insinuation. Paul implies, without quite stating, that Cheney harbored a financial conflict of interest. In fact, he had fully divested himself from Halliburton. He did not make a dime from the war. Likewise, Paul dwells on the strange change of heart that Cheney underwent from the 1990s, when he still defended George H.W. Bush’s decision not to invade Iraq, to his time in the second Bush administration. It seems downright weird to attribute the change to working at Halliburton rather than, I don’t know, 9/11. Granted, 9/11 may have been a substantively terrible reason to invade Iraq. But it’s pretty obvious that 9/11 freaked a lot of people out and made them irrationally aggressive. It’s much, much harder to imagine that Cheney’s time at Halliburton made him dream longingly of the day when he could launch a major occupation that would throw off lucrative contracting work.

And I don’t like Dick Cheney! At all!

Republicans, however, very much do. If you’re running for the Republican presidential nomination, implying that one of the Party’s revered elder statesmen started a war due to hidden pecuniary motives is not cool.

This party ain't big enough for the both of us.

The outlines of the backlash against Paul have already taken shape. Hawkish Republicans have subjected him to close scrutiny. (It was the neoconservative Washington Free Beacon that exposed Paul’s ties to the “Southern Avenger.”) Billionaire Republican financier Sheldon Adelson has vowed to spend millions stopping Paul from obtaining the nomination.

Corn’s revelation has given them a new way in, displaying Paul not merely as an ideological radical but as a partisan enemy. There is probably more where that video came from, too. It’s merely one small window into the reality that Paul spent his entire pre-2010 career in the world of Ron Paul and Alex Jones, in which the foreign policy of George W. Bush was not just bungled or misguided but the manifestation of a sinister conspiracy. Paul has developed shrewd instincts and has obvious political talent. He may or may not successfully finesse the staggeringly large gulf between his worldview and that of the Party he is trying to take over. But stopping people like Paul from capturing the nomination is the reason Party Establishments exist.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Politics/Elections; Russia; Syria
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1 posted on 04/10/2014 9:52:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t want someone who wants WW3 with Russia over Ukraine but I also don’t think we want someone who will copy Obama’s foreign policy and just let Putin and Iran take over the world.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 9:58:39 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama is the biggest joke. But I can't laugh.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oy! Where to begin? The Pauls have many good ideas on the financial side of the ledger but tend to be moonbats when it comes to immigration. With Republicans like these, who needs democrats?


3 posted on 04/10/2014 10:00:31 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Theres so much waste in government, why do Conservatives automatically assume that the government could allocate resources efficiently in the military as well. Everything needs to be cut, include the military. Theres waste EVERY WHERE


4 posted on 04/10/2014 10:00:38 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Amberdawn

well said


5 posted on 04/10/2014 10:01:12 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jonathan Chait - Journolist member


6 posted on 04/10/2014 10:03:23 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, without a doubt the GOP establishment will do much more to resist Rand Paul than it will against Hillary Clinton. (And, to the FRustration of many here, I say they’ll fight against Ted Cruz just as hard).

So that leaves Rand Paul with choices. Stay, fight the GOP from the inside like his father tried to do, or leave, taking his supporters to a 3rd party. He’ll still have to fight the likes of the GOP-e and Adelstein, but at least he won’t be kidding anyone that they’re on the same side. And how many votes he would be able to pull away from the GOP - your guess is as good as mine.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 10:04:51 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think they’re afraid of him.


8 posted on 04/10/2014 10:05:15 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You posted the Ezra Klein piece earlier

He and Chait are fellow travelers

Same DNA

same exact worldview

Detest social conservatives and real Christians but lack the balls to confess their own bigotry

So what would you expect me to think of what THEY write?

Anyone starts out saying “neoconfederate” reminds me of dikcheads here I think should have been banned long ago.

Fair nuff?


9 posted on 04/10/2014 10:05:46 PM PDT by wardaddy (the real battle is what do we replace America as we knew it with....and will we fight..literally)
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To: ari-freedom

And be WORSE on Israel than Obama, Hillary and Kerry!


10 posted on 04/10/2014 10:06:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
which had previously expressed itself in the form of such paranoid conceptions as death panels, FEMA camps, and feverish muttering about the abnegation of the Constitution

Paranoid?

11 posted on 04/10/2014 10:07:27 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: 4rcane

12 posted on 04/10/2014 10:09:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Two things stand out about this exchange. The first is that Paul was talking to Alex Jones at all. Jones is a full-out conspiracy theorist

Turns out most those they called "conspiracy theorist", are much more accurate about government than the entire MSM.

13 posted on 04/10/2014 10:12:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As always, the premise is set and the writer proceeds form there, never confirming the initial claim.. He has really taken over the party? Nonsense. They are afraid of him and want to lay the framework for further stories, true or not. The same old RAT playbook.
14 posted on 04/10/2014 10:16:29 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: wardaddy

Yes, I post threads from thousands of people a year. Your point?


15 posted on 04/10/2014 10:16:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: dragnet2

But you don’t think that some cabal planned 911, do you?


16 posted on 04/10/2014 10:18:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Paulistas being Paulistas. Total sell out.


17 posted on 04/10/2014 10:18:40 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: ari-freedom

$17.2 TRILLION in debt and climbing rapidly, get over the dreams of playing world policeman. Every major empire of the past fell into the abyss with foreign military adventures with a bankrupt treasury.


18 posted on 04/10/2014 10:23:14 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rand Paul taking over the Republican party is like a squirrel (on meth) taking over the backyard...in so many ways.


19 posted on 04/10/2014 10:23:59 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If New York Magazine is against it, I am for it.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 10:25:42 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rand Paul couldn’t take over a bubble pipe.


21 posted on 04/10/2014 10:25:45 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: entropy12

Putin’s dreams are now reality


22 posted on 04/10/2014 10:29:02 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama is the biggest joke. But I can't laugh.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But you don’t think that some cabal planned 911, do you?

What I believe is the U.S. Government winks and nods as they welcome in tens of hundreds of thousands of Muslims and they continue to do so.

This after we were directly threatened by Muslim countries prior to 911, as government stood gawking while they learned to fly our own jet airliners, on our own soil, and then government acted stunned and shocked as they flew them into our own buildings, killing thousands.

In fact, after 911, Bush allowed in more Muslims, than were allowed in the previous two decades.. All while they left our borders turn into a lawless violent free for all. During war time.

National suicide?

Conspiracy?

You decide?

23 posted on 04/10/2014 10:29:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SunkenCiv

I would never vote for Paul for many reasons


24 posted on 04/10/2014 10:33:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Amberdawn

What will amnesty do to the financial side? Bankrupt us


25 posted on 04/10/2014 10:34:21 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ari-freedom

Putin has the oil money and not $17.2 in Debt.
Besides he is GAINING land in NEIGHBORING country.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 11:29:33 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: Amberdawn

Do like Singapore...
Population 3.5 million.
More jobs than people.
Why?
No food stamps, no unemployment checks, low corporate taxes.
Unemployment? Hovers at 1%, mostly people switching jobs.
Gov’t spends money on Infrastructure instead. Their airport and highways make USA look like a 3rd world country.

Singapore Immigration policy?
@ million+ FOREIGN workers on 2 year permits.


27 posted on 04/10/2014 11:34:11 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: entropy12

Typo correction:

2+ million FOREIGN workers on 2 year permits.


28 posted on 04/10/2014 11:35:19 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: GeronL

see post #27 & #28


29 posted on 04/10/2014 11:36:18 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: entropy12; Amberdawn

How about you first do away with welfare, food stamps, social programs, etc, THEN we will look into your libertarian open borders.

As the army used to say, when a libertarian says something like you just did.

“Put open borders in one hand, and ending welfare and social programs in the other hand, and see which one fills quicker.”


30 posted on 04/10/2014 11:58:47 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can a writer be stupid enough to write an article this long and not stumble over the name Lew Rockwell ? Both Rand and his dad are sock puppets for Rockwell who started blaming US for 9/11 by noon that very day. Rand like Reagan foreign policy? Ron quit the House because Reagan put Pershing missiles in Europe, Ron saw this as aggression.


31 posted on 04/11/2014 1:45:00 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Paul has approached American politics from the diametric pole.”

Paul approached American politics from a 2016 view. His arrogance in lecturing conservatives and his views on issues are not something I will vote for. Don’t run, Paul. You have entitlement issues and your views do not resonate well.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 2:30:54 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Left is in his corner, pushing his candidacy. No less than Tingles said that the race will be between Hillary and Rand Paul. First it was MSNBC, now this.

They WANT him because they know he can’t win.


33 posted on 04/11/2014 2:35:11 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This article is written by a far leftist Zero supporter. It don’t read their garbage.


34 posted on 04/11/2014 2:45:39 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The article isn’t all that clear, but if being an “isolationist” today means staying clear of Syria and stating the obvious about the rest of the Middle East - that we had NO BUSINESS in toppling regimes and we’ve managed to take an area where we had dictators that we could live with, and replace them with horrendous who-knows-what, except that they hate America and kill Christians for sport. And if being an “isolationist” means thinking that it’s a bad idea to go toe-to-toe with either Russia or China, after decimating our military, then call me an “isolationist”.

Not sure about the other stuff though.


35 posted on 04/11/2014 3:19:34 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL
The article isn’t all that clear, but if being an “isolationist” today means staying clear of Syria and stating the obvious about the rest of the Middle East - that we had NO BUSINESS in toppling regimes and we’ve managed to take an area where we had dictators that we could live with, and replace them with horrendous who-knows-what, except that they hate America and kill Christians for sport. And if being an “isolationist” means thinking that it’s a bad idea to go toe-to-toe with either Russia or China, after decimating our military, then call me an “isolationist”.
I'm definitely with you.
36 posted on 04/11/2014 3:33:03 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: ari-freedom
I don’t want someone who wants WW3 with Russia over Ukraine but I also don’t think we want someone who will copy Obama’s foreign policy and just let Putin and Iran take over the world.

Rock and hard place. Both sides of the argument have merit, but nobody really wants more war, especially a world war. On the bright side, Rand has indicated that he still endorses a strong military and has spoken out against the neutering of our war-fighting abilities.

37 posted on 04/11/2014 5:42:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My point is perspectives like these have little or no merit here

They are just pinatas for Freepers to play badmitten with


38 posted on 04/11/2014 7:39:16 AM PDT by wardaddy (the real battle is what do we replace America as we knew it with....and will we fight..literally)
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Rand Paul's immigration speech
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...
[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
39 posted on 04/11/2014 7:42:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
[Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by xzins]

40 posted on 04/11/2014 7:42:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Rand Paul On Shutdown: “Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea”
RCP | November 18th, 2013 | Fox News Special Report
Posted on 11/19/2013 12:16:51 PM by Third Person
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3093108/posts

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: Senator, when Obamacare was at issue, a month ago, when it came to a continuing resolution to funding the government you supported a filibuster of other Senators, who demanded that you had to have a change or the abolition of Obamacare as a condition for funding the government. In retrospect do you think that was a good strategy? But even more importantly —looking ahead, the deadlines are coming up, the resolution’s going to run out, we’re going to hit the debt ceiling soon — would you be prepared to use same tactic as we approach the new deadlines? SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): Well, I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it’s a conundrum. Here’s the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can’t give the president a blank check. We just can’t keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can’t vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don’t we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.


41 posted on 04/11/2014 7:42:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GeronL; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks GeronL.


42 posted on 04/11/2014 7:42:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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43 posted on 04/11/2014 7:46:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]
[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]

44 posted on 04/11/2014 7:54:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: entropy12

leftist judge will give them citizenship and life bennies here


45 posted on 04/11/2014 9:55:30 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ansel12

Problem is you do not get to decide. You are the minority.
In our system elections have consequences.


46 posted on 04/11/2014 12:44:26 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: entropy12

That is quite a sales pitch for Obama and libertarian open borders, and the democrat party, what “minority” are we that can’t oppose your leftism in immigration?


47 posted on 04/11/2014 12:53:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

As usual you completely miss my point.
Why are you always so slow to comprehend?
I am curious what is your education level.
(I have masters degree in Engineering from a Big 10 University).

Again, for you and those in Rio Linda, the way our system
works is we need to gain a SOLID majority in congress AND
win the White House. Unless we nominate candidates who have
winning qualities, you can forget yours and mine wish lists.

McCain/Palin or Romney/Ryan won’t cut it. We need candidates
who are well informed and answer all gotcha questions smartly, telegenic, have demonstrable winning records against GOPe opposition, etc.

Only two candidates pass my rigorous tests for president right now.. Ted Cruz & Rand Paul.


48 posted on 04/11/2014 1:03:51 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: entropy12

LOL, when a liberal/libertarian troll starts telling you about his college degrees because he can’t defend his open border position, he is truly making a fool of himself.

Rand Paul is weak on immigration and liberal on social issues, such as gay marriage, in fact, more than weak, he has come out against conservatism.

Paul is GOPe.


49 posted on 04/11/2014 1:29:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Why are you ashamed of your education level?
May be you just did not have the opportunity.
May be your parents could not afford to send you to college.
Just tell me what is your highest education level.
And be proud of it whatever it is.


50 posted on 04/11/2014 1:47:06 PM PDT by entropy12
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