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India: The Church does not lose hope, even in light of right wing triumph [BJP Extremist Party]
Vatican Insider ^ | 16-May-2014 | Paolo Affatato

Posted on 05/19/2014 2:20:20 PM PDT by steve86

The majority party and its leader Narenda Modi have ridden the wave of religious fanaticism. Minorities are appealing to the legacy of democracy and pluralism

India is officially in the hands of the Hindu right wing. The Catholic Church and other religious minorities are concerned but they are grinning and bearing it, grasping onto the old and deep-rooted legacy of democratic values and pluralism that characterizes the Indian nation. Their concerns stem from the contiguity of India’s leaders with groups of Hindu fanatics. This is the landscape that has been emerging in the Indian sub-continent since the official general election results came out.

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So Modi seems to be holding out the olive branch to the opposition party, in order to reassure Muslim and Christian minorities (who make up 13.5% and 4.5% of the population respectively): In a nation that is 75% Hindu, BJP and Narendra Moni’s victory does not promise anything good for these minorities. The pedigree of this nationalist leader and his party is in fact rather controversial. The power held by the BJP, a party which appeared on the political scene in 1980, has been fuelled by a nationalist ideology referred to as hindutva. Hindutva promotes “one people, one language, one culture”, endorsing cast discrimination and discrimination against religious minorities which should be subdued or wiped out in the name of Hindu supremacy. The party, which came to power for the first time in 1998, showed its approval for extremist movements such as Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (the National Volunteers Organisation) and Vishwa Hindu Parishad (world council of Hindus), and did not hesitate to take advantage of the religious factor to win votes.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bjp; catholic; extremist; hindu; india; notmuslim; persecution; religion
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To: jennychase

252 Christian churches burned vs. “multiple” Hindu temples doesn’t seem very even to me.


41 posted on 05/19/2014 4:24:45 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

How many Christians killed Hindus and Sikhs in USA after 9/11?

Sikhs were attacked inside Sikh temple last year, killing dozens, Hindu students killed in different states. Hindu sitting in houston park killed by Christian.
Two Sikhs talking morning walk near Sacramento killed by Christians.

How many Taxi driver all over USA killed by Christian?


42 posted on 05/19/2014 4:26:31 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: Uncle Miltie

Does this compare with the hundreds of thousands of Christians and Hindus slaughtered by Muslims?


43 posted on 05/19/2014 4:26:50 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: steve86

You are going by propaganda to get funding from abroad.
Hindu temples are attacked every day in India by Muslims and others.
Hindu/Sikhs temples are attacked in USA.


44 posted on 05/19/2014 4:28:12 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: steve86

Being Hindu, I get verbally attacked in USA.
Even this forum is not tolerant.
So keep your higher ground to yourself.


45 posted on 05/19/2014 4:30:45 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: jennychase

What do those post 9/11 mistaken identifications have to do with anything?


46 posted on 05/19/2014 4:32:22 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: jennychase
Being Hindu, I get verbally attacked in USA.

By whom? What do they say?

There are lots of Hindus in this town and I have been to many of their classical and folk dances and their center but have never heard about anything like that.

47 posted on 05/19/2014 4:34:37 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

>>>>What do those post 9/11 mistaken identifications have to do with anything?

You can kill anybody and claim mistaken identity. People first spread rumors and hatred and then claim mistaken identity. And now we should absolve them because they are good Christians and others are horrible because they are Hindus.


48 posted on 05/19/2014 4:36:13 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: steve86

>>>>By whom? What do they say?

By Christians who else, they consider their religion is superior, they are better people. We are low life etc.....


49 posted on 05/19/2014 4:38:00 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: jennychase

In the case of the Sikhs w/ turbans, of course they were mistaken identity. Who is “absolving” them?


50 posted on 05/19/2014 4:39:29 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: jennychase

You should come to my town; the Hindus are mostly doctors and engineers. No one considers them “low-lifes”.


51 posted on 05/19/2014 4:40:37 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: livius
I think the new president may have the moral authority to change that.

Modi's BJP party - which is HIS party - is a party of, by and for RADICAL Hindus. They want to EXPUNGE India of 'foreign influences' - specifically Islam and Christianity which many Indians still say is "The British religion" which they resent.

As to jobs, I cannot argue with what your friend said because my exposure to Indian culture is limited to the very poor and rural area of Southeast India. I do not know how Mumbai or Punjab or other big cities with higher castes handle their low castes. I am told from those who live there that it is the same in most of India as I experienced where I lived.

The Caste system DOES NOT ALLOW CONSIDERATION of merit based placement or advancement, which is why I am sure there are 'affirmative action' laws. That said, laws cannot change 3,000 years of Hindu religion - and that fact was made very plain to me numerous times.

The fact is that the low castes and the Dalits make up a majority of the population in India. India is essentially ruled by a minority starting with the major castes of the Brahmins, then the Kshatryas, the Vaishya and then the Sudhra. Castes outside of those main 4 designations are rendered 'untouchables' as they are "outside the castes of gods". Christians are automatically sent to the bottom - and the majority population, including low caste Hindus consider them an abomination, because they do not worship the creation and worship a God who exists OUTSIDE of what they worship.

But you have said well that "they don't want anyone cutting in on the action". That pretty much describes the reality for most in India.

I do not see Modi changing that. The beneficiaries of his reforms into Capitalism will be the Vaishya and upper castes. Think of it as India's form of Corporatism or Crony Capitalism - which they have already perfected.

52 posted on 05/19/2014 5:09:27 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jennychase

Excuse you madam, but Naxalites killed the Hindu priests in Orissa in 2008.

The Muslims in concert with radical Hindus then blamed Christians and then SLAUGHTERED hundreds of Christians and drove THOUSANDS from their villages.

Christians did not do as you assert they did. Your homegrown Marxists did and have a ready-made scapegoat that most are eager to jump on and beat/kill.


53 posted on 05/19/2014 5:13:32 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: steve86

Wow! Someone posted a comment here recently that said that Modi’s win is good for the US....


54 posted on 05/19/2014 6:01:23 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Salvation
I taught yoga for 25 years and had to learn all about Hinduism. It is, basically, insane. There are some 330 millions "gods" or faces of God: people, animals, objects, you name it. Of course, Hinduism is VERY old and that is why it is so wacky. No rules that are even REMOTELY connected to these past milenia.
My husband was ABSOLUTELY sure that, in India, somewhere, someone was worshiping a '56 Chevy. He was probably correct.

While we were overseas I worked with a couple of Indians who were Catholic and we visited India for three weeks or so, just because we KNEW we would never, ever, ever visit there when we returned home.

India is a ZOO. Am I ever glad the good Lord let me be born HERE and not THERE.

55 posted on 05/19/2014 7:01:21 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: steve86

So the Vatican would prefer Moslems, then.

India has a 2000 year history of being tolerant of Christians.


56 posted on 05/19/2014 7:20:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Viennacon

The thing is that there are so many more Christians in India (25 million) who could be persecuted than there are in Pakistan, although I didn’t realize there were 2.5 million christians in Pakistan!


57 posted on 05/19/2014 7:20:24 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Bigg Red

The article is propaganda. “Gandhi’s Congress Party” is run by ultra left leaning corrupt politicians.


58 posted on 05/19/2014 7:21:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Bit of a false dilemma, no?
59 posted on 05/19/2014 7:22:00 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: dangus

My comment from another thread:

Hindus welcomed or at least tolerated Christians in India for almost 2000 years. Then when the Portugeuse came to Goa in IIRC the 1500 or 1600’s, they committed many atrocities to the Hindu population - torture and the like. Still, there was little to no anti-Christian acts against Christians in India other than whatever reactions to the Portuguese violence.

More recently there has been very aggressive proselytizing by Christians using coercian and trickery. Things like opening schools in poor villages, letting kids come free for a year or two, and then telling the families with children attending that they have to convert to Christianity or their children can’t come, or it will now cost a lot of money unless they convert. Another method is to distribute food to poor people for a while, and then tell them if they want more food distribution, they have to convert.

Yet another method is printing pictures of Jesus kicking the heads of Hindu deities.

I remember on FR a member here went to India to visit a Christian mission he had been donating money to, and they had sent photos of their church that was burned down supposedly by Hindus. When he arrived in India he found there was no burned church and no real mission. It was a scam.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3157192/posts?page=63#63


60 posted on 05/19/2014 7:23:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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